Late applications and grammar school waiting lists

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SannaMom21 · 22/11/2023 22:54

Hi there
Can someone please possibly give me some support and advice, my daughter did the 11+ exam for Birmingham grammar schools and she passed with the score of 213. But unfortunately we missed the deadline for school admissions which we are really stressed about because we really want her to get into a grammar school.
but I heard that the council look at late applicants after the 1st of March and we get the results of whether we got in or not on the 18th. We applied for 4 grammar schools(because we thought as shes passed she may still have a chance) and 2 state schools. We don’t actually mind which school they send her as long as it’s from one of 6 choices we made because we really don’t like the other schools in our area due to how they perform academically.
so on the 18th when we get the news of which school they’ve chosen, can we still call up the grammar schools and ask to put my daughter on the waiting list? But does that not put her lower down the waiting list because parents who got the letter on the 1st of March probably put their child in the waiting list?
is the order of the waiting list based on who calls in first to be put on or based on scores?

also do you know roughly where she’ll be on the waiting list with her score. The pass score was 200. And she’s on free school meals too and they did say the give more consideration to pupil premium students( students on free school meals)

lastly do you know any other people who still get into one of their 6 choices as a late applicant?

please could someone give me some info I’m really worried for my daughter

thank you

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LIZS · 24/11/2023 12:56

The stats win't include waiting list offers.

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SannaMom21 · 24/11/2023 12:54

Thank you everyone that’s messaged.
i checked the website and it says for Sutton coalfield “ all PP offered “ what exactly does that mean? Does it mean all pupil premium students got an offer? Even from the waiting list?
but the schools I applied for is
king edwards hansworth for girls
Queen Mary high school for girls
sutton coalfield grammar school for girls
king edwards camp hill school for girls
and the last two are state schools

what do you think my chances are
she’s on pupil premium with a score of 213

also I’m not sure how the catchment area bit works, is it who lives closer is more likely to get an offer? If that’s the case my positive is B70 6RQ we’re quite close to King edwards handsworth

thank you

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LIZS · 23/11/2023 16:08

Waiting lists are ordered by same admissions criteria as the applications, not first come first served. However your chances of being offered a place at any of your preferences will be reduced if they are usually oversubscribed and few turn offered places down.

LetItGoToRuin · 23/11/2023 15:58

A score of 213 with PP for Birmingham grammars is great - well done to your DD.

I don't know the ins and outs of the arrangements for late applicants and waiting lists, but presumably you've read carefully the admissions requirements for all the schools you're interested in, and you have seen the 'cut-off' scores at the bottom of this page, which will tell you the chances of a waiting list place for a PP student at any of the Birmingham grammars:

https://www.birminghamgrammarschools.org/content/results-and-offers

It really depends which grammars she named on the CAF, and to some extent whether she is in catchment for any of them...

For the ones that say ''All PP offered' on the cut-off scores it means that a place was offered at that school to all qualifying PP candidates on 1st March. So, if your DD has included SCGSG, Handsworth Girls or Five Ways, I would say she has a really excellent chance of a waiting list place at one of those schools as they didn't fill their PP quota on offers day. As waiting list places are awarded in the same priority order as standard places, a PP student will get a waiting list place above a non-PP student until the PP quota for that school is filled.

For Camp Hill Girls it's different as they filled all their PP quota from Cat 2 (PP in catchment) last year and only offered a small number of PP places from Cat 3 (PP out of catchment - this are offered based on merit) so the chances are slimmer there.

Results and Offers | The Grammar Schools in Birmingham

https://www.birminghamgrammarschools.org/content/results-and-offers

BendingSpoons · 23/11/2023 13:43

The waiting list is always ordered by how well you meet the admissions criteria, not how long you have been on it. When you are added to the waiting lists, you will likely 'jump' other children on the list because you meet the criteria better. It is unlikely they will start offering waiting list places before the 18th, so you shouldn't be disadvantaged by that delay.

There is usually some movement on waiting lists as some people move, go private, get offered a more preferred school, so if you are fairly high up on the list you have a decent chance of getting a place, especially if you are on the lists for lots of schools. It will come down to how well you meet the admissions criteria. It sounds like they have some priority places for Pupil Premium, so you may fall into that category and be ranked higher as a result, but will depend on the individual schools' criteria.

PuttingDownRoots · 22/11/2023 22:57

Waiting lists are based on admissions criteria.

In many areas you automatically go on the list for any school higher up your preferences.

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