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Bursary Application

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samsub · 06/11/2023 16:12

HelloI am just going through the form for DS's senior school Bursary application and it asks:" Please explain any reasons why net assets cannot be converted or utilised to pay school fees."Yes in our case our only asset which has some "net" in the property (although we do have some savings (for a rainy day) which is not sufficient to pay for the entire senior school period). We recently bought our first property and there is no question of re-mortgaging the house to release equity to pay the school fees.I am not sure how the Bursar would look into our finances, but we have kept aside £40k in our savings. We have kept a portion of these savings aside, one reason is to fund non routine travel costs arising from medical emergency and ad-hoc medical expenses to support my mother who lives overseas. This may be due to hospitalisation or general age related ailment (She is 73 year old). I have allowed three routine overseas trips in a year and making it clear in my application that these are necessary trips to ensure my mom's well being. Do you think it will go against us.We recently bought our first house 3 months ago, and the equity in the house is 30%. Again, will this work against our application.I am trying to articulate in the best way possible to answer the above question.Any thoughts will be high appreciated

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LittleRedRidingSnood · 29/01/2024 21:38

I think you'll find the review process can range from doing absolutely nothing and simply continuing the status quo, to full submission of all forms and documents annually. In my experience, the level of review depends on how keen the school is to keep your child!

DibbleDooDah · 29/01/2024 18:34

The yearly review literally is a quick check that your financial circumstances haven’t improved over the last year. If they haven’t then you will still keep the same award. If they have then the award is likely reduced so that whilst you would be paying more, you would be no more worse off financial I.e. it’s like your pay rise never happened.

There will likely be another full in depth review if your child wants to stay on for sixth form as this is a natural break point in their education. It would also be the time where they would most likely withdraw a bursary if they so chose.

I don’t know of any bursaries withdrawn at random points between Y7 and Y11 without good reason - parents lying about wealth, child’s behaviour or performance not satisfactory etc.

samsub · 29/01/2024 12:49

Thank you all for your kind responses. They really helped us to complete the application. We have received a decision with a certain percentage of the fee discounted. The award letter suggests that the bursary application will be subject to annual review based on our financial circumstances. While we are very happy with the decision, we are equally worried about what would happen if the bursary is withdrawn in the later critical academic years, which would expose us to huge fees and the consequences could be that we may have to move our DC to a school that is not of our choice.
We don’t think our financial situation would change dramatically enough to allow us to pay the full fee. However, we have no control over the school making changes to the internal policy and withdrawing the bursary completely. Are we overthinking this matter?
We have a meeting with the finance manager of the school, and we would like to raise this concern. I would be grateful if any parents could share their experience of receiving a bursary and yearly review. How has it been so far? Are there any particular questions that I should be asking the school Finance Manager.

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ltscoldonthesidelines · 13/11/2023 20:32

I work in a private school and have dealt with bursary applications. The fund at our school
contains no government funds. I think that funding disappeared a very long time ago.

SpaceRaiders · 13/11/2023 20:21

These threads are usually not helpful as no one here can truly say how the school would treat your application. It’s very much dependent on each individual schools budget and some are more generous than others.

As an aside I went to the Independent Good Schools show this weekend and they had a really interesting talk about bursaries, how they work and what is factored into the decision making process. Their Bursary consultant as well as a couple of deputy heads of various schools had a rough guide of 75-125k as a combined income. If you’re above that you’re highly unlikely to get anything. Equally they will look at the value of your house particularly in the south east, where property prices have been high the last decade and there would be an expectation to release equity if it’s substantial. If you own a second property, forget it! There are all manner of things that come into play, if you never ask, you won’t get. A friend recently got 100% bursary for her child, so it is definitely possible.

ItsAllRelativeMatey · 11/11/2023 21:52

You can’t name the school as it will affect your application.

MogdenSewage · 11/11/2023 17:20

The bursary policy can change annually, even for the same school. Hence, it is better to speak to the bursar directly and also plan ahead.

3WildOnes · 11/11/2023 16:57

ItsAllRelativeMatey · 10/11/2023 22:17

They wouldn’t get a bursary with £40k savings. I’ve just done the bursary process.

This is totally school dependent. A very close friend of mine has a 50% bursary for a top boys school in London. They have more than 40k in savings.

BonjourCrisette · 10/11/2023 22:56

You see, unless @samsub is able to name the school (even the general area might help) and finds someone who has been through the process with the same school and in a similar position all this is useless because it's anecdotal and specific to the schools involved.

I have been through the bursary process with a similar (somewhat larger) amount of savings and with greater equity in my house (much greater percentage and almost certainly a larger amount of money unless the OP is also in London) and we were awarded a generous bursary.

It is very interesting as I hear a lot of people on here saying that bursaries aren't good enough, they don't fulfil the purpose of a charity and people are expected to pare their assets to the bone to pay for fees which has not been our experience at all. But if some schools are honestly saying that this relatively small amount (not small for the average person but almost certainly tiny compared to the families who are able to pay for these schools from their own income) precludes a bursary then I can totally see why people get fed up. We are, it seems, fortunate that DD's school does not believe that families should be worse off as a result of receiving a bursary for their child.

The only advice that is really helpful with bursaries (it's too late for the OP but just in case anyone is reading this in future or wondering about next year) is that anyone looking to benefit from a bursary would be well advised to contact the bursar of the school well in advance and ask for a meeting to discuss in detail what might be available, and make decisions based on having disclosed a reasonable amount of financial information.

ItsAllRelativeMatey · 10/11/2023 22:17

They wouldn’t get a bursary with £40k savings. I’ve just done the bursary process.

ItsAllRelativeMatey · 10/11/2023 22:14

I’ve just gone through the bursary process for year 9 2024 entry. DS is looking to go in on a rugby scholarship augmented by a bursary. We own a healthy business and are in the ‘not poor enough, not rich enough’ category but have had a go anyhow.
I can say that after the bursary interview, you would be expected to release the £40k towards fees.

MerryTraveller · 10/11/2023 13:14

The school may well still offer you a bursary as £40k savings and a third ownership of a house is not considered wealthy. They may just offer you a lower percentage of discount, meaning you'd need to dip into your savings (depending on your salaries). Our children's boarding school is £45k, we receive a 30% discount. Schools offer a range of discounts to increase the range of pupils. It isn't just children from very wealthy and very poor families, more of a blend.
Obviously it depends on the school though.

eurotravel · 10/11/2023 11:03

@CurlewKate you'd not know though.
Plenty of smaller private schools have gone pop without parents seeing it coming

CurlewKate · 10/11/2023 10:57

Why would you want your child in a school that had to offer massive cash incentives to get applicants?

eurotravel · 10/11/2023 10:50

@androidnotapple no no one would but you'd never really know who is on a bursary and who is not. I know of of one family at that same school who told someone they'd got a bursary when they'd defo be over the advertised threshold.. but would be in the middle bracket I referred to

androidnotapple · 10/11/2023 10:16

eurotravel · 09/11/2023 20:38

@androidnotapple yes and if they can give a discount and get someone on 75% fees it's better than an empty chair. One school near me is advertising a LOT on social media. On another thread someone said they struggling

I guess so. Not sure I'd want to join a school having those sorts of issues.

JustWingItLifeEyelinerEverything · 10/11/2023 09:53

There was a whole thread recently about financial struggles of the private schools and how they merge with other school or close their operation

eurotravel · 09/11/2023 20:38

@androidnotapple yes and if they can give a discount and get someone on 75% fees it's better than an empty chair. One school near me is advertising a LOT on social media. On another thread someone said they struggling

androidnotapple · 09/11/2023 20:22

eurotravel · 09/11/2023 19:10

And conversely schools may give bursaries to get bums on seats

A private school which isn't oversubscribed is probably financially struggling and won't have the cash for bursaries.

eurotravel · 09/11/2023 19:10

And conversely schools may give bursaries to get bums on seats

MogdenSewage · 09/11/2023 15:27

This reflects the consumer surplus not the actual cost. Indeed, some parents in London are ready to spend more than 30k a year for day schools.

BonjourCrisette · 09/11/2023 15:00

androidnotapple · 09/11/2023 14:00

it's on the high side, but London day fees are currently upwards of £8k per term, so £25k per year - it won't be long before they are at £30k .

We are in London. Sorry, did see this and forgot to reply. The total is not quite £30K but it is only a few hundred away from that figure.

androidnotapple · 09/11/2023 14:00

eurotravel · 09/11/2023 00:15

@BonjourCrisette no idea where your school is but £30k for day fees is high. We are north west. Day fees are around £15k

it's on the high side, but London day fees are currently upwards of £8k per term, so £25k per year - it won't be long before they are at £30k .

WombatChocolate · 09/11/2023 12:00

Stand terms on bursary application forms are ‘bursaries are not confident with sizeable savings, second homes, significant equity, significant home improvements or frequent travel abroad’

Many paying full fees can’t afford these things. Bursaries are not there to enable people to pay less fees so they can still afford these things.

That said, some equity, savings and holidays etc are considered fine.

WombatChocolate · 09/11/2023 11:58

You have to consider the fact that lots of the fee paying parents won’t have £40k in savings and 30% equity. They will be living hand-to-mouth to pay the fees. Schools therefore cannot give bursaries to those who apply, who simply want to avoid paying fees but could afford to pay fees.

The reality is that bursaries are in a sliding scale. When they are offered, it’s rarely a case of either 100% offered or nothing,as a result of OP’s info.

Someone with the savings and equity OP has who has earnings within the threshold (as mentioned, can be up to £100k) might still qualify for something. However, it won’t be much and a big proportion of fees will remain payable.

OP might be hopi g for a large bursary. A small one might be offered but that could easily mean £20k of fees still needed each year. It’s why many many people who apply and who are offered something, don’t take it up, becaus the amount of the bursary simply isn’t enough.