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Psychology A-Level

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Poseidensgrumpyneighbour · 25/10/2023 15:33

My DD is in year 11 and has recently decided she'd really like to do Psychology as one of four A-levels. Would appreciate your honest views on the value of it as an A-level subject.

I liked the emphasis on critical thinking and understanding research methods in the blurb I read about it. DD is good at maths, which sounds as if it will be important. But I suppose I've put it in the same category as A-levels like Law i.e. subjects that should be studied later / at degree level rather than during sixth form. I imagine that's a quite outdated view now though so any thoughts from someone more in-the-know than me would be very welcome. Thanks in advance

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caringcarer · 02/11/2023 14:19

I taught Psychology and had several students go on to study medicine with it.

worstofbothworlds · 02/11/2023 13:57

@TizerorFizz relevant work experience would be anything with children/older adults e.g. helping at a holiday club especially if for children with SEN, care work, volunteering at a day centre, befriending. Nobody is going to let a 17 year old loose on inpatients in a psychiatric hospital!

TizerorFizz · 02/11/2023 11:04

Not to the same extent as history or politics, for example. However not sure it will really matter!!

Poseidensgrumpyneighbour · 02/11/2023 11:02

@TizerorFizz No, it definitely isn't necessary. It's just something she's shown a sudden interest in doing as an additional subject and I'm not at all familiar with it as a subject (hence starting the thread).

As @Hughs says, I think music itself will have some essay writing, as will geography I guess

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Hughs · 02/11/2023 08:20

You have to write essays for A level psychology, much to DD's annoyance. Anyway music A level will teach her to write essays, she doesn't need another essay subject for a music degree. (I did music with A levels of music, maths and biology.)

TizerorFizz · 01/11/2023 22:25

If she wants to do music at uni, where does psychology come into her thinking? It’s totally unnecessary. I think some music degrees require more essays than others so my advice is to do at least an essay subject. Then a third which probably should be what she likes so why not maths?

RampantIvy · 01/11/2023 19:37

I don't think schools in England do AS levels any more. DD sat AS levels in 2017, which was the last year her school did them.

Poseidensgrumpyneighbour · 01/11/2023 16:51

Yes, I think that would make a lot of sense. I'm not sure if AS levels are an option at the school - need to check that.

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RampantIvy · 01/11/2023 16:30

Can she start with four and drop the subject she least likes?

DD was convinced that psychology was the one A level she really wanted to do, along with geography and biology. As she did so well in her GCSEs she was told she had to take 4 A level subjects, so she picked chemistry as well.

After a few weeks in year 12 it was psychology that she really didn't want to do, but she kept on with it to bank a good grade at AS level then dropped it much to the disappointment of the teacher who told her she was throwing away an A*.

If she had stayed with 4 subjects I doubt that she would have achieved the grades that she did in her other three subjects as she managed to improve on two of the grades.

Poseidensgrumpyneighbour · 01/11/2023 15:16

It's quite likely she will do music at degree level and professionally. But she isn't 100% decided on that and we've encouraged her to keep her options as open as possible for now. So the music a-level is a definite. I'm increasingly convinced that 3 not 4 would be wise though!

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TizerorFizz · 01/11/2023 13:13

There is no need for 4. With her music, what’s the point? Unis don’t ask for 4 unless it’s FM. Music looks like a non negotiable for A level, but should it be? It’s the same as Psychology if she’s not taking it to degree level. Something to consider. Does she see Music A level as a gimme? Far less work for a high grade? I’d look into that position as less work and 2 others keeps workload reasonable. Adding a 4th, in the circumstances, seems pointless.

Poseidensgrumpyneighbour · 01/11/2023 12:35

Wowsers, I stepped away from MN for a few days and this thread has come alive. Some excellent food for thought here - I prob won't have time to respond to all the posts individually but am reading each one so thanks so much to everyone who has taken the time to give their thoughts.

The more I read/hear, the more I think it sounds like a subject that would suit her v well. But I think it's unlikely she'd choose to pursue it at degree level. So she'd just be doing it for interest, which is an excellent reason to study something but I do worry about the workload.

@Dido2010 you make a v good point re music and what a huge commitment it is alongside 3 a-levels let alone 4. A huge amount of DD's free time (and study time) at weekends and in holidays is taken up with music, and she's really coming up against that this year with GCSEs. Also, she's showing no signs of wanting to ease up on any of that. So, I've been encouraging her to think about sticking to three A-levels. At the moment, she's settled on what those three will be and it's the fourth (Psychology or further maths) that's up in the air.

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TizerorFizz · 31/10/2023 09:59

There are lots of options but many with this degree will have to compete against others with all sorts of degrees for jobs. So I know Dc who work for charities, became social workers and even a journalist with a psychology degree. But I could look at similar jobs for politics, English, history, MFL grads etc etc. There are counselling roles and a friend is doing a masters in this following a psychology degree.

QuitChewingMyPlectrum · 30/10/2023 23:22

My daughter is taking this. There are a lot of psychology specific skills but it also tackles how do complete a research project, ethical studies and plenty of transferable skills.
She wants to become a psychologist to help SEND children eventually but we have explored plenty of other potential career paths to use the psychology degree she is aiming for and there are LOTS.

RampantIvy · 30/10/2023 22:42

Psychology is by far the most dropped subject for some reason

It was at DD's school. I think it is an untried subject for most students as they haven't sat the subject at GCSE. Also, at DD's school a lot of the less academic students took psychology because they didn't get the grades for other subjects.

In DD's case she hated psychology. She found it boring and unchallenging. It is very content heavy and you have to remember loads of case studies by people with difficult to spell names. DD took it to AS level then dropped it.

It is, of course, possible that the more interesting topics were covered in year 13, but most of what DD learned about in year 12 was unpleasant experiments carried out on unsuspecting people.

YesThatsATurdOnTheRug · 30/10/2023 22:31

Easiest A-level I did, by a long shot. Doesn't mean it's not valuable, just a comment. Wasn't accepted as valuable by some of the unis I applied to, but that was a 20 years ago now!

TizerorFizz · 30/10/2023 22:24

I would imagine it depends where you are intending to study. Bath, as I said earlier want an essay subject. Cambridge don’t see psychology as a science for their course so you have to decide where to go and what to study to suit what you are aiming for. Psychology as a third subject probably wouldn’t harm applications for other degrees!

12345change · 30/10/2023 17:26

@Hughs I’ve seen that argued too. Although I would suggest that can be a positive too as young people are adjusting to university life and being independent so having some repetition of content is useful. I did A level psychology and a degree in psychology there is overlap but definitely not exactly the same.

Hughs · 30/10/2023 16:08

Funnily enough I've seen it argued that DC shouldn't take A level psychology if they want to do a psychology degree, because so much of the first year covers stuff in the A level syllabus and it's boring!

TizerorFizz · 30/10/2023 15:14

Cambridge likes it’s preferred subjects. That’s why it still lists them. Maths, Biology, Physics or Chemistry are listed for Psychology at Cambridge. You need to take at least one which appears to suggest two is what’s expected!

Dido2010 · 30/10/2023 10:38

Hi @Poseidensgrumpyneighbour ! You raise some interesting questions. I come to this as a parent but also as someone who has worked in schools and who still works in the education sector.

Officially, universities don't undervalue Psychology. They are content to count it as one of three A Levels if that is what the applicant studies, providing the other two offer mandatory or desirable subjects. But unofficially they might prefer Biology, for example. Cambridge for one does not require Psychology for its Psychology degree course; but it does like Biology and Maths. My daughter's school stopped offering Psychology A Level because Universities did not demand it.

As for workload, Psychology does need a bit of work. More importantly, Music A Level and music making are very time consuming. A friend of my daughter's found her three A Levels demanding enough as a musician. (She got a first at Cambridge eventually.) So whilst I, too, encouraged my daughter to study what she wanted, I did talk her down to do one fewer A Level in the end. Four full A Levels and music making might be a bit too much; the demands may eventually dilute grades and may also take the fun out of the experience overall.

TizerorFizz · 30/10/2023 07:30

Bath, for example, ask for science and essay subjects. No just science. Psychology counts in their science list.

Slightly worrying though, in my view, is that their undergrad course suggests relevant work experience can enhance an application. I’m struggling to see how DC can acquire this unless parents pull strings. If you were parents with no strings to pull, how many ordinary DC can realistically get this? It rather follows the pattern that doctors are Dc of doctors, vets are Dc of vets etc. I see you are encouraged to read widely on the subject but relevant work experience is difficult for many with no useful connections or parents who can help. I’m wondering what they consider relevant? I can see why it’s a sought after course but seems to require far more than grades and background comes into play. Surrey, for example. mentions just grades as selection criteria.

Notellinganyone · 29/10/2023 21:45

I teach in an academic independent day school and we offer Psychology. It’s very popular and is taken by a range of students. We’ve had kids go to Cambridge to read Psychology that have done it. I think it is more accessible than some other subjects- it feels a bit bite sized and obviously lots of Psychology courses at University need hard sciences. As one of four it would be fine.

Parakeetamol · 29/10/2023 21:37

Autumnalvibesofmellowness · 29/10/2023 10:00

The first thing you learn in psychology at uni is how the A level is unhelpful.

It really isn't. It's a good intro. As is a ug degree in psychology because when you do your masters they also say that you have to unlearn a lot of 'truths' of the ug content.

You also don't need a doctorate to become a chartered psychologist. In some fields of psychology, yes, but not all.

mrsconradfisher · 29/10/2023 20:38

ThanksItHasPockets · 29/10/2023 09:05

If you’re interested in the national grade distributions then the overview of 2023 results from AQA is interesting:

https://filestore.aqa.org.uk/over/stat_pdf/AQA-A-LEVEL-STATS-JUN-2023.PDF

In terms of numbers it is AQA’s most popular subject by a long way (but don’t be tempted to compare too closely with AQA’s other subjects as other boards have cornered the market there, eg Maths and Edexcel).

I suspect @sep135 is correct that the relatively low outcomes at her DCs’ school is a combination of self-selecting intake to the course and, possibly, mediocre teaching.

That’s interesting thank you for sharing that. My DS did A levels this year and got an A star for Psychology (he got a review of marking as had paper checked and 2 marks hadn’t been added on). He had an excellent teacher for Y12 but she left so basically had to teach himself Y13 and had a tutor for a few months. I was proud before but to see that only 5.7% got an A star is quite impressive (well it is to me anyway!)