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Se London private from state primary

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Eboblah · 02/10/2023 12:05

My ds is in y6 in a lovely but non-academically rigorous state primary. We’ve recently become lucky enough to be able to consider private school but I’m a bit concerned that we might put him through the process and end up with nothing. I had thought, clearly naively, that being able to afford it was the main issue. He’s bright but not extraordinarily so, and it seems all the schools in reasonable commuting distance have very high academic standards and/or are massively oversubscribed. He has lots of interests but not any that would get him a scholarship. On atom he’s doing ok, but his written work is quite poor (we have now got him an English tutor but there are limits to what can be done in the timescale), I think he’d do ok in interview as he’s very engaged, interested in everything and a generally nice kid (imho), but not sure how much any of that would count. We’re looking at Alleyns, St Dunstan’s, Emanuel and Royal Russell. So 2 questions really - are there any other nearby coed schools that I might have missed? Are any allowances made for coming from a state primary? And I know impossible to answer but what are his chances before I put him through all this?!

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BonjourCrisette · 02/10/2023 22:40

@Eboblah Like you, we did not start prepping until quite late, last term of Y5. My daughter is in her first year of A Levels now so it's a few years back but honestly, the most useful thing we did was make sure she knew how to take an exam and practise trying to speed up her working because she could be a bit slow even though she usually got to the right answer in the end. We only applied for two schools in the end but she got both of them so it is achievable IMO as long as your son is OK with putting a bit of work in and as long as you are realistic about what his ability/potential is (I know this can be hard to gauge coming from a state primary).

We are in SW London rather than SE so the schools aren't the same but it is definitely possible, and DD came from a very ordinary primary too.

Re taking an exam, it was all the stuff that is obvious to an adult like pacing yourself, leaving a question you find hard (instead of getting bogged down) and going back to it later if you have time, checking everything (and leaving time to check), writing bullet points if you are running out of time and don't have time for full sentences, getting used to working to a clock and working out how much time is left etc etc. Even practising taking an exam in silence without talking to anyone can actually be useful at this age!

Best of luck!

OlizraWiteomQua · 02/10/2023 22:38

Don't be worried by the ratio of applications to places. If there's an average of 3-4 applications per child then any school that has twice as many applications as places is in fact undersubscribed.

it sounds like you will be applying to schools that aren't the very top tier for academic selection and that means a lot of the other applicants will be kids who are aspiring to some very highly selective schools and will only be applying there as a fallback

SE5parent · 02/10/2023 22:29

We have friends with kids in Alleyns and Dunstans and very happy with both. But both competitive - former always so and latter much more. But someone has to get the places!

strawberryband · 02/10/2023 21:38

are massively oversubscribed.

They are only oversubscribed because most parents do what you do, apply for about 5 schools with the intention of only going to one.

So don't get phased by the numbers, just focus on exam and interview prep.

Like others have said, your doing everything now and these schools aren't stupid, they know a child from a non-academically rigorous state primary, isn't usually as polished at interview as a boy from an elite selective prep school.

He has every chance of gaining a place, and to be blunt, you are correct, having the cash is the major consideration for private school, because if you can't afford to take a 25K a year hit , your DC's suitablity is irrelevant.

I would suggest asking a friend your DC doesn't know well to mock interview him, asking him opinions on things like what he thinks of humans settling on Mars, or the rise of AI, the implications for humanity, If you could solve one problem in the world, what would it be and why? Those sort of questions, and of course, why does he want to come to Alleyns, Dunstans, etc, if he says because my mum said I had to, it wont go down well.

Also mock exams can help

ghislaine · 02/10/2023 21:36

There’s also London Park School in Clapham, I’d forgotten that one. It’s very new.

ghislaine · 02/10/2023 21:36

I would think that St Dunstans and Royal Russell would be achievable; I would ask their registrars what the state vs prep ratio is for Y7 entry.

If you did want to consider single-sex then I hear Dulwich Prep are opening up a senior school. It might be relatively easy to get in for Y7 at the moment as most people don’t want to move schools for two years and then move again. CLSB would also be a fairly straightforward commute from SE London.

Eboblah · 02/10/2023 21:28

Thanks all for taking the time to respond. @Moglet4 it seems they all have junior schools so by the time they've taken about a third of the places, then half for girls and a few for scholarships there are really few places left. It just seems demand massively outweighs supply.

@ghislaine thanks for the suggestions, I hadn't heard of some of them but they're all a bit too far/awkward from where we are, or religious which we're vehemently not. We're bang in the middle of the 4 we're looking at so all journeys can be done within about 45 minutes or less, a long bus journey twice a day is not for us/him either.

@OhCrumbsWhereNow we started prepping at the end of year 5 when my son suggested he'd like to try a different kind of school as he's finding his current one increasingly disruptive. I realise it's very late and we have a lot to catch-up and think it's likely we'll drop Alleyns from the list for that reason On Atom at least the other 3 still look feasible, although no real idea how reliable that is. I take it you don't hold St Dunstans or Royal Russell in high regard? I know their results are not at the same level but that's not really the main motivation for him/us - it's more to be in a setting with small well-behaved classes, personal attention and all the extra-curricular elements. But if you have other reasons not to rate them please do spill! We are looking at comprehensives and there are good ones near us, but no guarantees of entry based on where we live. And as good as some of them are, they still pale against all the privates we've visited, part of me wish we'd never looked.

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OhCrumbsWhereNow · 02/10/2023 14:29

There are a lot of very good comprehensives in South London.

I would look very carefully at those and the private schools - there are a couple on your list that probably aren't worth the expense. And places like Alleyns and Emanuel are very competitive.

If DS is already in Y6 you've left it very late to do the kind of prep you'd need from a non-academic state primary.

ghislaine · 02/10/2023 13:57

I’m assuming from that list that you want a co-ed option. Whereabouts in SE London are you? I would think about travel very carefully as your son might have to get on a minibus for an hour at 7.15am. This might not faze you but it would be a no-go for my family!

Other co-eds in the SE London area (loosely drawn) include Bishop Challoner in Bromley, Thames Christian College in Clapham, Colfe’s in Lee, Eltham College in Mottingham, Farringdons in Chislehurst.

Moglet4 · 02/10/2023 12:23

In some ways it is easier to get a child to pass for a private school than a grammar because the exams are generally set by the school and are very traditional. This means that an English and a Maths tutor are sufficient for teaching the skills required (and the exams are quite ‘trainable’ in a short period of time). Having said that, there are other factors to consider such as the fact that there are usually not that many places available and if there is a junior school attached to the school, a sizeable chunk will go to those children (at Alleyns, for example, it’s about a third of the places). The interview is usually just to confirm that the child has outside interests and will be happy and an active member of the school. It rarely makes any difference which school the child has come from except where it is pertinent as to SEN etc. If you get decent tutors, your son will probably stand as good a chance as anyone so it really depends how much you and he want it. It’s also worth checking how many children apply each year and compare that with the number of places available.

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