Where in London is the best place to live for grammar options (boys and girls) and good state school fall back options.

No primary school is going to get a kid into a superselective grammar. That's down to tutoring. I'm thinking of places where the superselective outer catchments overlap with at least two decent comprehensives.

And in the last years there wasn't a single girl that got to Tiffin from Hampton and Hampton Hill Primaries. Some boys do.

Teddington doesn't have that good results.

Not to mention Bushy Park and Hampton Open Air Pool. 😍

I'm not that familiar with it generally, and it is hard to compare with a different exam and scoring. But I would say - based on historical scores for KEGS vs other Essex boys grammars - that it is probably more competitive to get a place at CCHS than any of the other girls schools.

Hampton Hill for Turing , Waldegrave, Teddington, plus the Tiffins

yes but not Inner Area ( girls) just Designated Area that has slightly less chance. Inner Area* is on the other side of the river. For boys they usually take 1-3 from top performing schools in Richmond Borough.

• I dunno why when I say it I always thing about Inner Circle and de Niro in " Meet the parents" movie lol

... but of course all of Richmond Borough is within Tiffin's catchment.

Marble Hill is outside of the current Turing House and Waldegrave catchments. But in any case, I wasn't suggesting she could apply to all of them - she's moving house, so can choose to move into whichever catchment area she can afford.

She would need to live in Marble Hill, Richmond to be in Designated Area for Tiffin and at the same time catchment for Orlean Park ( 1km) and still in Turing catchment and Waldergrave as well as Grey Coat. St Richard Reynolds would also accept her kids if she is a catholic. I don't know about Christs catchment and Kingston Academy would not include her in the catchment.

I know the discussion has focused mostly on London schools, but I wanted to mention that if looking at Chelmsford, the grammar schools there are very, very competitive as well. Even if you live within the 12.5 mile priority area you have to score quite highly. Also CCHS uses a different exam than the other Essex grammars, so your DD would have to take two 11+ exams if also wanting to apply to Southend / Westcliff / Colchester.

@TuttleTree I have only skim read the thread, but Twickenham/Teddington/Richmond/Ham are in the Tiffin catchment while having very good state schools. I saw Turing House was mentioned, but also look at Waldegrave, Teddington, Orleans Park, Christs, Grey Court, and The Kingston Academy. I'd be happy with any of them. There's Esher College too, for 16+, and the grammar schools take in a lot of externals for sixth form - Tiffin sixth form is mixed.

I don't know about Tiffin Boys but was only pointing that out about Tiffin Girls because someone seemed to think it was about 15 miles away from Ealing and it isn't.

I know she also has a girl but surely it would be odd to move somewhere to be in catchment for Tiffin girls but not Tiffin?

Just to put things in the perspective - there are 1600 candidates on average year to Tiffin school and they accept also around 180...
I suspect that there is even more to Wilson ...

She has a boy and a girl. She wrote about it.

@ThingsWillWorkOut but the OP has a boy doesn't she?

I know various kids who have passed well enough to be offered places including my own. If the 116 is referring to the Redbridge exam score then in recent years the initial offer score for Ilford/Woodford has been 108-111 ish so unless you are out of area you 116 would have been enough to get in. This year change of exam boards scores may be different. Yes maybe 1100-1200 will will sit for each school but for 180 places and plenty of kids are out of area so they will never get in. And a few schools put in everyone. Plus plenty of top scorers turn down for private schools. So yes competitive but really not impossible for a bright motivated and well prepared child.

boys have a completely different system of admission. Uncomparable to girls.

Out of the schools you mentioned, I liked the Turing House atmosphere and attitude the best. People I know with children at Turing House seem really happy with it. I am not, however, in favour of faith schools particularly for a number of reasons. It's obviously ridiculous to state that only children at faith schools are being raised with values. You will find at least some badly behaved children in literally any school.

I looked round pretty much every secondary, even those that were a bit too far away out of interest. If I'd sent DD to one of the borough schools I would probably have been hoping for a waiting list place at Waldegrave but that's obviously not an option for a boy. Orleans is also good but if you are too far away then it's not really an option. Christ's also has some faith places but maybe that is too far as well, though the distance will be a lot bigger for faith places than open places.

@BonjourCrisette yes we live in the catchment of Turing House, or at least how it was for the last two years since they moved and before too. Why would you say that you would go all the way to get there in particular?
But St Pauls and StRR have almost the same GCSE results, a differwnce of few percent and maybe children are behaving better and are raised with some values. (?!) And then there is also Orlean Park but it is slightly out of our catchment.

Yes, people constantly try to claim that anyone who says they are not tutoring hours and hours for years and years is lying. It is very boring.

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