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Cost of uniforms

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Gillemeow · 13/08/2023 17:45

Does anyone else's school have a huge amount of expensive branded items? New rules introduced in November 2021 were supposed to stop this but many schools are ignoring to them.

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Petition: Reform school uniform policies to tackle expensive costs

We want the Government to amend the statutory guidance on school uniforms to implement a maximum number of branded/bespoke items. It should also create a direct complaints process for parents to the Department for Education, and require Ofsted to check...

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ThingsgetbetterwithalittlebitofRazzmatazz · 15/08/2023 21:26

@Qu1ckchange that's my old school! Interesting to see what they are wearing now, looks about as horrible as it did back in the day.

sillyuniforms · 15/08/2023 21:24

One of local ones
Boys PE shorts £15
Girls skort £18
PE tops £16-18
Games jersey £28
Warm training top £25-30
All multi colour with logo so won't be worn outside of school.
One of my mates state schools insisted that all items had DC initials on - more cost & can't hand on

sillyuniforms · 15/08/2023 21:09

Maybe we can share some extreme examples as there are some about

whatwhatinthebutt · 15/08/2023 21:08

I'd ask the school what the purpose of the branded uniforms are exactly.
the purpose of uniforms is to keep the children uniform. they can insist on a certain colour, but a logo is unnecessary.

If they can't provide a reason why the children need to identify the school they go to publicly, that outweighs the risks of that, then I would ask then why should I pay for them? I'm buying the right colour, there's no reason to need the logo, so that's what I will do. We are in a cost of living crisis.

entitledparents · 15/08/2023 21:05

@Qu1ckchange £25 a shirt?!?!

entitledparents · 15/08/2023 21:03

@CoffeeWithCheese sounds as sensible as ours.. much less cost

Sirzy · 15/08/2023 19:51

Ds school provide all pupils with blazer, tie and pe kit (shorts and t shirt) when they start. It’s a low income area so it helps it be a level playing field. They then work with a local charity who redistribute uniform which has been grown out of.

if you need to buy any items new they are relatively reasonably priced (£28 for the blazer, £12 each for shorts and t shirts) and decent quality.

ds is just going into year 9 and his orignal blazer still fits and is as good as new. I have my nephews old one which he will move into so I doubt I will have to buy one at all thankfully!

it shows schools - and uniform companies - can do thinks at a reasonable price if they make the effort.

Qu1ckchange · 15/08/2023 19:42

Signed. This makes me so incensed.

Also Name changed as I have ranted about this to people I know!

I've just added up the cost of essential items for DD's state secondary. I have included 2 blouses and one of everything else (even though one skirt is probably pushing it).

Blazer £66.99
Blouses x 2 £50
Jumper £21
Skirt £28.99
Apron £12
PE polo £20.00
PE skort £18
PE Hoodie £34
House PE socks £9.99 (don't askHmm)
Plain PE socks £7.99
Tracksuit Bottoms £48.

https://www.fostersschoolwear.co.uk/shop/?school=The+Hertfordshire+and+Essex+High+School+%28H%26E%29

These items are all compulsory and uniform marks are given to students who don't wear correct uniform, even down to the ridiculous PE socks.

Before adding coats, bags and shoes - which I accept would be needed anyway, that list is £316.96, meaning the total outlay will be north of £400. If it was just a branded blazer and everything else could be bought from high street stores it would probably cost half that.

Does anyone know any journalists? It would be great if this thread was picked up.

SuperSue77 · 15/08/2023 19:14

My daughter’s school has recently been re-assessed as outstanding and is in an affluent area where many parents could afford private but send their girls to the state option as it is high performing and well thought of. I think they like the branded uniform as it’s part of the “elite feel” of the school, but of course this isn’t fair if it intimidates other parents into not sending their daughters there. What I will say though is that my daughter is still wearing the same uniform I bought for her 3 years ago as it is well made and hard wearing and luckily she hasn’t changed much in size (I did buy slightly oversized for year 7!)

Meredusoleil · 15/08/2023 19:09

CoffeeWithCheese · 15/08/2023 17:11

Secondary the eldest is starting (and one of the reasons we picked it over the very much desired locally was-outstanding... now downgraded... nearest school) set out its uniform expectations as:
You need the right tie, blazer (buy it big) and PE top. For the rest - get yourselves to Asda or M+S or wherever's got the sale on. And then "you can buy the logo jumpers - but I'll tell you that our buildings run hot so hardly anyone wears them so only buy one or two at the most". Followed by "any sensible coat will do - and get them into a brighter coloured one for the dark nights if you can persuade them to"

Also two uniform suppliers with the school contract so not the usual monopoly (and great since one has run out of y7 size blazers and the other still has stock)!

I loved the refreshing approach to it compared to the other local schools (and the kids look no "scruffier")

The one that gets me is the argument for school logos on the hems of girls' skirts - to stop them rolling them up. But if you roll skirts up (not that I ever ever ever ever ever did so) - you roll them up at the waistband so the hem logo is still a hem logo just floating somewhere around your arsecrack instead?

I think at one of our local secondary schools, the logo is on or near the waistband of the skirt, so the girls can't roll them up as they need to be on show.

CoffeeWithCheese · 15/08/2023 17:11

Secondary the eldest is starting (and one of the reasons we picked it over the very much desired locally was-outstanding... now downgraded... nearest school) set out its uniform expectations as:
You need the right tie, blazer (buy it big) and PE top. For the rest - get yourselves to Asda or M+S or wherever's got the sale on. And then "you can buy the logo jumpers - but I'll tell you that our buildings run hot so hardly anyone wears them so only buy one or two at the most". Followed by "any sensible coat will do - and get them into a brighter coloured one for the dark nights if you can persuade them to"

Also two uniform suppliers with the school contract so not the usual monopoly (and great since one has run out of y7 size blazers and the other still has stock)!

I loved the refreshing approach to it compared to the other local schools (and the kids look no "scruffier")

The one that gets me is the argument for school logos on the hems of girls' skirts - to stop them rolling them up. But if you roll skirts up (not that I ever ever ever ever ever did so) - you roll them up at the waistband so the hem logo is still a hem logo just floating somewhere around your arsecrack instead?

sleepyscientist · 15/08/2023 15:55

Beurla · 15/08/2023 15:21

I completely agree too.

It's extremely unfair, especially on those on low incomes and benefits. The uniform grant nowhere near covers the cost of all this stuff.

Just a word of warning our school scrapped its PE kit (primary) I have just been conned out of a £46 tracksuit, £24 drill top and £13 shorts by a 9 year old! He will also be taking a T-shirt from home that was likey around the £10 mark! Most of kids will be in the same brands so Primark etc isn't really an option!

Gillemeow · 15/08/2023 15:22

If all those items are branded it definitely sounds like it's worth complaining. Happy to help with this if needed.

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Beurla · 15/08/2023 15:21

I completely agree too.

It's extremely unfair, especially on those on low incomes and benefits. The uniform grant nowhere near covers the cost of all this stuff.

Gillemeow · 15/08/2023 15:18

Re the netball kit, this breaches the following part of the guidance:
"No pupil should be discouraged from participating in any aspect of school life, such as interschool competitions, because of the cost of additional uniform requirements."

If the individual PE items are expensive and branded this is probably worth complaining about too. The guidance specifically states branded socks are unnecessary. Happy to help draft a letter if needed.

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Comefromaway · 15/08/2023 15:15

I guess technically skirts are optional as girls could wear trousers instead

Gillemeow · 15/08/2023 15:12

This is wrong under the guidance (see below) as you need more than 1 skirt. Definitely worth challenging.

"Where a school decides that a branded item is required, they should consider how they can maintain the benefits of a branded item whilst keeping costs low. This may involve using sew or iron on labels or limiting the branded items to longer-lasting items such as ties rather than items that the parent may need to purchase more frequently or in larger quantities such as shirts. Schools should also consider whether changes to the specification of a branded item might reduce costs for parents."

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Gillemeow · 15/08/2023 15:08

I think that's why we need to include compliance checks in Ofsted inspections because they jolly well would comply then!

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Comefromaway · 15/08/2023 15:07

The current fad for girls seems to be fancy expensive bespoke tartan skirts. Madness

Gillemeow · 15/08/2023 15:06

That sounds ridiculous! Have you spoken to the school? The very least they could do is offer to have batches of leggings delivered to school to reduce the costs.

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Gillemeow · 15/08/2023 15:04

School branded socks are specifically referred to in the guidance as being unnecessary. It also sounds like they're on the high end of branded items, like my child's school. Happy to draft a complaint letter if that's helpful.

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Gillemeow · 15/08/2023 15:02

Thank you!!

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Comefromaway · 15/08/2023 15:02

Signed. I was in the lucky position of being able to afford expensive uniform but many of ds's friends were from families that were really struggling. His school was pretty sensible about logos etc but other schools in our area caused immense financial pressure for families.

Gillemeow · 15/08/2023 14:59

entitledparents · 14/08/2023 23:18

My old comp now has different coloured ties every year, a fancy expensive branded PE kit and branded logo pinafores for the girls - this is a high school. My DD wouldn't be seen dead in one. Who needs school logo on hem of skirt!?!?

It sounds like they don't comply with the rules. Is this a state school? Happy to draft a complaints letter if you send me details of the uniform policy.

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Gillemeow · 15/08/2023 14:57

entitledparents · 14/08/2023 22:41

Our school have a £40 blazer & £5 tie. Rest is non logo. PE kit is an optional logo tshirt that most wear and generic shorts etc This is same as my old school was.
I know schools that have compulsory posh PE kits that cost a fortune & are never worn outside of PE lessons. Bonkers

Thank goodness some schools are complying with the rules. Would be great if they all would.

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