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Ed Psych assessment at 15

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Jazamatax · 09/08/2023 22:54

Hi there, first time poster here.

I'm worried about my daughter who is going into year 11. She has a diagnosis of ADHD since January. She has been medicated since then and has gradually uptitrated dose to the max. As per doctors advice. It has made some difference but not huge. She's definitely more able to focus with than without the meds.

I'm worried that it's not the entire story. She has always had difficulty focussing, concentrating and being organised. Her year 7 sats were very high (130-140 range) but she's just not able to get started or consistently study. Her grades have always been completely all over the place. From very high to very low in the same subjects often in the same set of exams with no clear rhyme or reason as to why.

She's getting very demoralised and demotivated. I wonder if we're missing something. Getting her to think about any study for GCSE's is extremely difficult. She doesn't see the point and her mocks were a disaster.

Anyone have any experience of Ed psych assessment at this age?

In context of adhd she is allowed to sit exams in a separate room and have breaks. No extra time allowed as her "processing" was assessed as low normal range.

Am at a loss as to how to help and feel like endlessly pushing her to study is just making her miserable.

Help!!!

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HairyKitty · 14/08/2023 18:11

@OvertakenByLego my mistake you are right.
OP do check before spending any money that it will actually make any difference to your case.

Jazamatax · 14/08/2023 16:52

Diospyros · 14/08/2023 16:10

Sorry, OP, I forgot the link!

This clinic:

https://tcfp.org.uk

Thanks.
I had actually e mailed them over the weekend.
Just called now and we have an appointment booked in.
Swallowing the cost but I guess at least we'll know and it's in time for access arrangements

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OvertakenByLego · 14/08/2023 16:30

without the “failed” processing speed tests I don’t think it can be awarded.

A Form 8 is not required for those with ADHD. See the JCQ guidance I linked to in my pp.

HairyKitty · 14/08/2023 16:27

@Jazamatax its not the diagnosis of label of the condition which gives extra time but both a demonstrated need (the processing speed , writing speed tests etc) and normal way of working.
It is possible to have adhd and not require extra time, but even if you could prove an increase in marks with the extra time, without the “failed” processing speed tests I don’t think it can be awarded.
Also, it’s possible that a higher dose or different medication could have a better effect, but as you know titration can be slow and a little tortuous.

OvertakenByLego · 14/08/2023 16:22

And I would appreciate you didn’t incorrectly say I was scaring the OP, but there you go. People don’t always get what they want.

No, I don’t need to tag or quote you or anyone else. I don’t need you to tell me how to use MN. Others are free to read (or not) the thread they have already posted on when they see there are new posts in their TIO.

Foxesandsquirrels · 14/08/2023 16:16

OvertakenByLego · 14/08/2023 15:28

I didn’t say you did ask me to apologise. I am posting like I am because your posts are nonsense. I am not scaring the OP or posting anything incorrect.

I never said your posts are nonsense, even though I disagree with you, so I would appreciate it if you didn't do the same to me. As a side note, if you're replying to someone on Mumsnet, you need to tag or quote them, otherwise they don't get notified.

Diospyros · 14/08/2023 16:10

Sorry, OP, I forgot the link!

This clinic:

https://tcfp.org.uk

The Child and Family Practice

https://tcfp.org.uk

OvertakenByLego · 14/08/2023 15:28

I didn’t say you did ask me to apologise. I am posting like I am because your posts are nonsense. I am not scaring the OP or posting anything incorrect.

Foxesandsquirrels · 14/08/2023 15:24

@OvertakenByLego I didn't ask you to apologise? Not all 'tribunal' standard EP reports are that either. Your posts are coming across very hostile so I'm not going to engage any further. OP, all the best. I would go with an EP that has been recommended and tried if possible.

OvertakenByLego · 14/08/2023 15:10

As I posted, you don’t have to agree, but I make no apologies for posting what I did. I have read many inadequate independent EP reports. Not all are the same standard.

Foxesandsquirrels · 14/08/2023 15:08

@OvertakenByLego I agree when it comes to LA EPs. However they're working under their LAs policy. Their reports are laughable. The same EP will conduct an assessment privately and it'll be written completely differently. I'm not saying it's not important to get the right EP, I'm just saying a full tribunal report isn't necessary per se, it costs a lot more than a normal report. If you have a good EP recommendation, it's better to go with that.
I've also helped a lot of parents in tribunals, sadly it is also like LAs, much depends on your luck. A lot of judges on SEND tribunals seem to be clueless.

OvertakenByLego · 14/08/2023 15:00

I disagree. I am not scaring anyone. Having supported thousands of parents through the EHCP process I am providing OP with advice, you don’t have to agree. Not all EP reports are to the same standard and it is laughable you post that. You only have to look at many LA EP reports to see they are vague, woolly, and not comprehensive.

Foxesandsquirrels · 14/08/2023 14:56

@OvertakenByLego No they really don't. Please don't scare op into going for an insanely expensive and unnecessary report that she doesn't need. All EPs will be working at the same standard if they're registered and properly qualified. Medico legal reports are just not necessary, even if you're going to a tribunal. We used the most basic report in our tribunal, it wasn't even from the UK and the judge used it as the main piece of evidence.

OvertakenByLego · 14/08/2023 14:51

If there is any chance you will request an EHCNA, you need an EP with experience of SENDIST and writing Tribunal standard reports.

Foxesandsquirrels · 14/08/2023 14:49

I think that poster is talking about the private GOSH clinic?
You really don't need anything that specialist. An EP is fine. They can refer you onto other professionals if there's a need but an EP assessment in itself is very thorough, esp for your needs.
A dyslexia assessor is, I agree, not something I would use in your situation.

Jazamatax · 14/08/2023 14:43

Diospyros · 14/08/2023 14:39

I always recommend this clinic on threads about ASD/ADHD. TBF. my DC are adults now so my experience is a bit out of date and their consultant from GOSH (who was also a partner at the clinic) has retired now. We used the clinic for Ed Psych evaluations for exams (11+ and GCSE/Alevel) for DS who has ASD, dyslexia and other SpLDs but is very bright with a very spiky profile so his difficulties were often masked.

The are a multidisciplinary team so can refer to other specialists for further assessment eg if they feel somthing else might be at play, such as dyspraxia or psychological issues. We found them to be far more thorough with more in depth advice on support and strategies than assessments by a dyslexia assessor.

Which clinic?

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Diospyros · 14/08/2023 14:39

I always recommend this clinic on threads about ASD/ADHD. TBF. my DC are adults now so my experience is a bit out of date and their consultant from GOSH (who was also a partner at the clinic) has retired now. We used the clinic for Ed Psych evaluations for exams (11+ and GCSE/Alevel) for DS who has ASD, dyslexia and other SpLDs but is very bright with a very spiky profile so his difficulties were often masked.

The are a multidisciplinary team so can refer to other specialists for further assessment eg if they feel somthing else might be at play, such as dyspraxia or psychological issues. We found them to be far more thorough with more in depth advice on support and strategies than assessments by a dyslexia assessor.

Foxesandsquirrels · 14/08/2023 14:16

Sorry about that OP. Unfortunately for most kids, unless their parents are on top of it, and quite pushy, they just don't get the help. DD is in a school with an excellent reputation for SEND and even with that I've had to push for almost everything, even though she has an EHCP.
Sadly for a lot of kids, they don't really get a diagnosis or extra time until uni. The uni services seem to be far better equipped.
Don't give up, it's her last year and really even if you're embarrassed for pushing, you won't regret it. I think you'll only regret leaving it at this stage.

Jazamatax · 14/08/2023 13:34

isitme111 · 13/08/2023 22:10

I have no experience of an EP report at this age OP, my DD had one at around age 10 carried out by our LA Educational Psychologist. She spent aroud an hour or so with my DD at school and I was astonished at how accurate her report seemed to be. At this point DD already had a diagnosis of ASC and an ECHP but the EP was happy for us to use her report to seek a diagnosis of ADHD (innattentive). DD started medication and her school grades greatly improved. DD is about to enter year 13 and I am interested in having another EP report carried out. I suspect DD also has dyslexia, she has issues with expressive language and getting her thoughts down on paper - as you mentioned there can be overlap with ADHD.

Who assessed your DD's processing as within the low/normal range ? DD had extra time in her GCSE's and this was a game changer for her. She got grade 4's which we were over the moon with.
It's unlikely my DD's school will agree to her having an EP report from their budget. I must admit I have lapsed with this so I will seek a private report. Thank you to the previous poster for posting EP recommendations, I will take a look at them. If anyone has any other EP recommendations near London this would be very helpful.
I wish you and your DD all the best OP.

It was the school who assessed her as low normal for processing.

I suspect they have applied the LD rules for access and not the ADHD rules which are clearly different,

I've sent an e mail asking to discuss but obviously will have to wait until term starts.

Feel quite upset that it seems to be me having to get to grips with this and the school are not on it at all.

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isitme111 · 13/08/2023 22:10

I have no experience of an EP report at this age OP, my DD had one at around age 10 carried out by our LA Educational Psychologist. She spent aroud an hour or so with my DD at school and I was astonished at how accurate her report seemed to be. At this point DD already had a diagnosis of ASC and an ECHP but the EP was happy for us to use her report to seek a diagnosis of ADHD (innattentive). DD started medication and her school grades greatly improved. DD is about to enter year 13 and I am interested in having another EP report carried out. I suspect DD also has dyslexia, she has issues with expressive language and getting her thoughts down on paper - as you mentioned there can be overlap with ADHD.

Who assessed your DD's processing as within the low/normal range ? DD had extra time in her GCSE's and this was a game changer for her. She got grade 4's which we were over the moon with.
It's unlikely my DD's school will agree to her having an EP report from their budget. I must admit I have lapsed with this so I will seek a private report. Thank you to the previous poster for posting EP recommendations, I will take a look at them. If anyone has any other EP recommendations near London this would be very helpful.
I wish you and your DD all the best OP.

OvertakenByLego · 13/08/2023 20:07

A comprehensive EP assessment can diagnose dyslexia if appropriate.

Jazamatax · 13/08/2023 18:05

memyselfeye · 10/08/2023 16:01

I'm an EP and see a lot of young people that fit your DD's profile. I'd recommend an EP assessment because it will highlight any underlying factors that may be impacting your daughters ADHD. In the meantime, please look up 'task paralysis'- very common with those with ADHD and exactly what you describe your DD as experiencing atm.

Hi there,
Thanks for your reply.
I'm wondering if an EP report looks for dyslexia? Apparently there's a high crossover with ADHD.

Leaning toward arranging an EP assessment. Hoping I won't need to them organise something separate for dyslexia.

Costs are mounting!!

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Jazamatax · 10/08/2023 16:44

memyselfeye · 10/08/2023 16:01

I'm an EP and see a lot of young people that fit your DD's profile. I'd recommend an EP assessment because it will highlight any underlying factors that may be impacting your daughters ADHD. In the meantime, please look up 'task paralysis'- very common with those with ADHD and exactly what you describe your DD as experiencing atm.

Thank you.
I have sent out some feelers for an assessment.
Looks like most places have shut for the summer.
Planning on hitting the ground running when everything restarts.

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Jazamatax · 10/08/2023 16:43

OvertakenByLego · 10/08/2023 10:17

A good Ed Psych assessment will help. A good report will give strategies to support needs rather than only stating needs.

As DD has ADHD, the rules for extra time are different to those for applications under the learning difficulties route and a Form 8 is not required. You can see the JCQ guidance here on pg 36.

This was so helpful.
I feel like I'm coming to this very very late.
I've e mailed her school to ask about how access arrangements have been assessed.

Thank you!

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memyselfeye · 10/08/2023 16:01

I'm an EP and see a lot of young people that fit your DD's profile. I'd recommend an EP assessment because it will highlight any underlying factors that may be impacting your daughters ADHD. In the meantime, please look up 'task paralysis'- very common with those with ADHD and exactly what you describe your DD as experiencing atm.