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11+ is going to ruin me

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AlwaysReadyNeverSteady · 24/06/2023 12:40

Hi, sorry if this is garbled, I've had a very emotionally fraught morning.

DS is due to sit 11+ this September. He has had a 1:1 tutor for around 18 months. She comes very well recommended and is known for being upfront with parents if she thinks their child might not be quite right for the process/test. She assures me he is able enough.

He's been doing well across all areas, although slightly less so on the maths. He has a LOT of homework which I try to spread out across the week, so we're only doing a couple of (set pages) of books a night and the corrections for practise tests he'd done to previous week with tutor.

Its not always been easy to get him to focus after school, which I do understand as he works hard at school too, but we get through it. Lately he has been so emotional about it and I've apparently just got to the bottom of why... Sat with him this morning, going through corrections of test he'd sat last week. Just burst into tears, beside himself, wouldn't tell me why... Gave him some space and afterwards he told me it's because he doesn't like the way I explain things to him and that I'm "too positive."

For context, I've been a primary school teacher for 14 years. I know how to teach children and what works for different children. My kids at school always achieve well, above national expectations and I've never had any complaints about my teaching style. I never get frustrated with him, am supportive and encouraging and always try to approach the work with a positive attitude, explaining misconceptions patiently.
I'm a single parent and work full time teaching, so to be completely honest it's a massive slog for me to keep motivated and positive for him doing all this by myself. His father is utterly useless and does NONE of the work with him.

I just don't know what to do. This whole process is killing me, I am utterly exhausted. Hearing what he said has just knocked me for six. All this money and time I've invested and endless motivation when I've been on my knees after hard days at work. And I've upset him.

I'm sad and confused and I don't know what to do. I have asked him multiple times if it's because he doesn't want to carry on and he always says he doesn't want to give up.

What do I do?

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RedFluffyPanda · 26/06/2023 00:48

@PreplexJ

>These is, some grammar take 20%-30% of the top applicants, some grammar take only top 3-5% percentage. It is completely different game.

Exactly what I meant. Thank you

RedFluffyPanda · 26/06/2023 00:46

@SlowAndSteadyWinsTheRace

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Didn't tutor, did some last minute prep.
Having said this, DS mentioned some pupils (the ones who openly let people know), having had tuition since year 4 for the 11+

Wow how dumb they must be, mustn't they?

>if there's one thing I've learnt from all this, is that I need to be an 11+ tutor (because it sounds like you make quite a lot of money from it all )

wow aren't you also a walking genius? You will surely be billionaire

( Facepalm, how insensitive towards the author of this thread who struggles.)

PreplexJ · 26/06/2023 00:38

"I don't understand how some grammars are 'less selective there is a difference between selective schools and super selective"

These is, some grammar take 20%-30% of the top applicants, some grammar take only top 3-5% percentage. It is completely different game.

Even exam format is provided by GL the difficulty and timing requirement is prescribed by individual school in order to fulfil the schools target selection criteria.

Give an example, the hardest GL assessment NVR paper you have, try to do 18 questions within 8 minutes, and aim for minimum 16 questions correct. That is the level required by some superselective. And for normal selective, probably you will be given easier version of GL papers, 15 minutes for 24 questions, and 80% would hit the pass mark.

RedFluffyPanda · 26/06/2023 00:36

@SlowAndSteadyWinsTheRace

There are regions where the grammars don't have 12 kids per one place because there are quite a few. It is easier to get in. Seriously.

But of you want to hear " your child is a genius who prepared in 3 months" I can say to make you feel good.

SlowAndSteadyWinsTheRace · 26/06/2023 00:24

@RedFluffyPanda I don't understand how some grammars are 'less selective'? Or are you merely staying there is a difference between selective schools and super selective?
OP child will sit GL assessment, exactly the same sort of exams my ds went through (also GL, and as others have said NVR is part of the assessment).

@YoDood we are in the same boat by the sounds of things. Didn't tutor, did some last minute prep. Having said this, DS mentioned some pupils (the ones who openly let people know), having had tuition since year 4 for the 11+ Confused
if there's one thing I've learnt from all this, is that I need to be an 11+ tutor (because it sounds like you make quite a lot of money from it all Grin)

PurpleWisteria1 · 25/06/2023 23:57

RedFluffyPanda · 25/06/2023 20:32

So you are aiming at private schools? Grammar schools don't require NVR.

If in mock tests he is below 80 percent I would make a shift in head and start understanding that he may not get to the highly selective schools.

But not all private and grammars are highly selective and he still can make it.

You have to embrace it. There is a live outside of selective schools, you know :)?

Kent also require NVR as it’s also GL so you are way out of touch there I’m afraid.

ThanksItHasPockets · 25/06/2023 23:06

RedFluffyPanda · 25/06/2023 21:11

But maybe those schools are less selective. Not all grammar schools are the same competition level. Where I live there are grammar with competition of 11-12 per one place.

This is vintage MN shade of a quality rarely seen these days Grin

RedFluffyPanda · 25/06/2023 22:09

>Not for 18 months!! That’s nuts.

Why not? Kids get tutoring for years. It is just the matter how intense it is and at what point. All 18 months doesn't need to be equally intense.

AlwaysReadyNeverSteady · 25/06/2023 21:37

NowYouSee · 25/06/2023 21:19

OP you just have to ignore all “cancel the cheque” commenters who can’t be arsed to read your comments. Not worth your blood pressure engaging with them.

I know, you're completely right 😂
I spend 6 hours a day repeating myself to 5 year olds who didn't listen the first second or third time.
Just grates a bit when grown adults do the same...

But yes, I'll not bite!! Thank you again to all the fantastic posters with your brilliant advice x

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AlwaysReadyNeverSteady · 25/06/2023 21:35

RedFluffyPanda · 25/06/2023 21:14

@AlwaysReadyNeverSteady

If you are a single mum then your son my stand a chance for a great bursary at a good local private. Just in case you have not thought about it :)
I wish you all the best

Thank you, I might look into it

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NowYouSee · 25/06/2023 21:19

OP you just have to ignore all “cancel the cheque” commenters who can’t be arsed to read your comments. Not worth your blood pressure engaging with them.

RedFluffyPanda · 25/06/2023 21:14

@AlwaysReadyNeverSteady

If you are a single mum then your son my stand a chance for a great bursary at a good local private. Just in case you have not thought about it :)
I wish you all the best

RedFluffyPanda · 25/06/2023 21:11

YoDood · 25/06/2023 21:08

Really?!? My kids took 3 months. It’s a lot of pressure for way too long. I’m not surprised that some kids (and parents) will be broken by it.

But maybe those schools are less selective. Not all grammar schools are the same competition level. Where I live there are grammar with competition of 11-12 per one place.

AlwaysReadyNeverSteady · 25/06/2023 21:09

YoDood · 25/06/2023 21:07

OP you are clearly very stressed, and we understand why.

But your child is also stressed and I suspect, despite your positivity, he is picking up on your emotional state.

You need to find a way to reconcile yourself with the risk that he may not get into the grammar. Can you move?

I'm actually not stressed today. I've made some plans and adjustments that mean the pressure is turned right down now.

What IS stressing me out is people not reading the whole thread. And I'm afraid your post demonstrates just that. READ THE THREAD FOR THE LOVE OF GOD. And your questions will be answered.

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YoDood · 25/06/2023 21:08

explainthistomeplease · 25/06/2023 21:06

@YoDood I'm no fan of grammars or 11+ but I'm afraid 18 months (or more) is utterly normal.

Really?!? My kids took 3 months. It’s a lot of pressure for way too long. I’m not surprised that some kids (and parents) will be broken by it.

PreplexJ · 25/06/2023 21:08

explainthistomeplease · 25/06/2023 21:06

@YoDood I'm no fan of grammars or 11+ but I'm afraid 18 months (or more) is utterly normal.

It might be normal in reality but MN is a different universe..

YoDood · 25/06/2023 21:07

AlwaysReadyNeverSteady · 25/06/2023 21:02

I KNOW AND I HAVE ACKNOWLEDGED THIS, ACCEPTED IT AND INDEED, GONE AND RECTIFIED THIS TODAY.

OH. MY. GOD.

OP you are clearly very stressed, and we understand why.

But your child is also stressed and I suspect, despite your positivity, he is picking up on your emotional state.

You need to find a way to reconcile yourself with the risk that he may not get into the grammar. Can you move?

explainthistomeplease · 25/06/2023 21:06

@YoDood I'm no fan of grammars or 11+ but I'm afraid 18 months (or more) is utterly normal.

PreplexJ · 25/06/2023 21:05

YoDood · 25/06/2023 21:03

Not for 18 months!! That’s nuts.

Not sure, depends on the context.

YoDood · 25/06/2023 21:03

PreplexJ · 25/06/2023 21:02

"That’s a lot of extra work for a child his age."

No this is a very normal 11plus routine.

Not for 18 months!! That’s nuts.

AlwaysReadyNeverSteady · 25/06/2023 21:02

YoDood · 25/06/2023 21:00

“we're only doing a couple of (set pages) of books a night and the corrections for practise tests he'd done to previous week”

That’s a lot of extra work for a child his age.

I KNOW AND I HAVE ACKNOWLEDGED THIS, ACCEPTED IT AND INDEED, GONE AND RECTIFIED THIS TODAY.

OH. MY. GOD.

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PreplexJ · 25/06/2023 21:02

"That’s a lot of extra work for a child his age."

No this is a very normal 11plus routine.

YoDood · 25/06/2023 21:00

AlwaysReadyNeverSteady · 25/06/2023 20:58

I can't be bothered to keep repeating myself, its getting very tiring.

Read the thread.

I am not doing extra work with him. I was going through incorrect answers to tests with him. He did the rest on his own. And yes, I would expect his dad to have some input. Given that he's his other parent and all.

God, I've repeated myself AGAIN.

I am lucky enough to have above average levels of patience though. Just as well.

“we're only doing a couple of (set pages) of books a night and the corrections for practise tests he'd done to previous week”

That’s a lot of extra work for a child his age.

AlwaysReadyNeverSteady · 25/06/2023 21:00

And no, I won't be devastated if he doesn't get in.
I'll be devastated if his only option if he doesn't pass is the awful comprehensive on my doorstep.
If he gets one of the other two comprehensive options, I'll be delighted.

I'm not sure how else I can explain this. Again.

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AlwaysReadyNeverSteady · 25/06/2023 20:58

YoDood · 25/06/2023 20:53

He is burnt out OP.

Did he really need 18 months of tutoring with extra work with his mum on top (and his dad, if you had your way)?? Our two did 3 months of cramming with a tutor from a standing start and got into a top London independent.

Suggests either that you’re over doing it or that he’s not there academically, in which case these won’t be the right schools for him.

Either way you will damage your relationship with him and it will kill his enthusiasm for learning.

I can't be bothered to keep repeating myself, its getting very tiring.

Read the thread.

I am not doing extra work with him. I was going through incorrect answers to tests with him. He did the rest on his own. And yes, I would expect his dad to have some input. Given that he's his other parent and all.

God, I've repeated myself AGAIN.

I am lucky enough to have above average levels of patience though. Just as well.

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