Withdrawal of high school place after 11 weeks

It's completely appropriate data sharing.

Further to that post - you could have a case on the grounds of inappropriate data sharing.

The school have done you dirty, because there's no way that the admissions team would withdraw the place without being directly informed that the sibling had moved, they would only be directly informed by the school.

When applications are made via the LA the LA then go to the school and say "please can you check, that they actually have a sibling at this school", because believe it or not sometimes people tick the sibling box because they think it might move them up the criteria bandings - but this does get checked. I've seen it where parents have ticked sibling but they actually meant cousin, or they have a sibling in Year 11 - (Y11 does not count as they won't or might not be at the school in September. So some genuine mistakes or misunderstandings in there.

Anyway my whole point is that when the sibling has been off-rolled the school has alerted the admissions team and got your daughter bumped from the list. Possibly that is policy, but I'm surprised it happened so fast. I've worked those roles and I've always just done the initial sibling check and have NEVER (20 years) been told by the school to go and tell the LA anything after the places have been allocated.

I don't think it really helps anyone for people to be laying into OP telling her their opinion of what she did and didn't know and think at any given time.

She's had advice that an appeal can be brought. The appeal panel will look at the facts and decide. Nothing anyone says or speculates on here will make any difference, save this experts who might be able to advise her how best to present the facts.

Good luck OP.

I think as PanelChair says all the facts are required

Mel198 · Today 09:01
I haven't mislead with any information whatsoever. I've been completely honest throughout the whole application process.
Older sibling was having many complex issues at the school and it was agreed in a meeting with thr headteacher that another school would be more suitable for his needs.
Which then was a managed transfer for him. This Happened in March, he was on trial at new school to see how he settled and if he was happy there. Trial was complete start of May and that's when he was offically taken off the schools roll. 3 days later I recieved an email stating my daughters placed had been withdrawn.
I had no idea my son transferring to a new school would affect my daughter's place as at the time of application and offer my son was on roll st the school.

The above is the post regarding March

No one wants to be rude but if your Son was on trial at a new school in March ( and obviously decisions made before this that he would be moving) then I assume it would depend if there was discussions already ongoing about the move and the wording of the question about siblings in your application as to wether or not the application was done correctly .

If your son started his managed move trial in April then you must have had a fairly good idea on the offer day that he was likely to be leaving. You've said that the school were considering either expelling or excluding your son, and in my experience it's rare for managed moves to be arranged overnight.

Lougle is correct. Assuming the older sibling’s difficulties in school came to a head after national offer day, that’s a reasonable argument for OP to present at appeal. The LEA are pushing back, but the withdrawal of the place demands a formal notification - including notification of the right of appeal attached to the decision - not just an exchange of emails.

You have baselessly accused the OP of fraud, which is considerably ruder than “please move on”

Please do not tell people where to post.

I understand you are angry at yourself for getting this so wrong, but there's no need to be rude to people posting on the thread.

I hope I haven’t derailed the discussion by saying the older sibling started a managed move on 17 March. My short term memory is clearly failing because I’ve reread OP’s posts and can’t find any mention of that date.

OP mentions something happening in March. I thought that was the managed move, but perhaps it was the discussion about the managed move, because OP says the move took place in April and he was taken off roll in May. The appeal panel will no doubt want to be clear about key dates and the sequence of events.

Huh? If the LA (not the school) weren’t pushing back, there would be no thread. This won’t be an isolated case, eg siblings who have died, been excluded or moved to specialist provision and other LAs judge that a challenge is wrong. Ergo, no thread.

I’ll leave this conversation with you there.

Did you know that your DS was likely to leave his school before 1st March? If not, I would go with:

~DS was in attendance on National Offers Day.
~I had no knowledge that this would not be the case in September prior to National Offers Day.
~The school move was not our choice but the only alternative to permanent exclusion.
~DD should not be penalised for the consequences of DS's situation.

Have you been sent an official notice of the withdrawal with appeal information on it? If not you should ask for the appeals process and get your appeal in.

Interesting that the admissions experts at the school in question complete agree with me, though.

@shammalammadingdong interesting how the admissions experts disagree with you, though.

You don't decide to move schools on a whim. It would have to have been talked about long before.

But even if not, its still correct to withdraw the place. You get priority for having a sibling at the school. No sibling at school ,no priority. The circumstances under which you gained a place no longer exist, therefore the place is no longer yours.

Why should someone else not get a place because someone else utilised an advantage they are not entitled to?

Did you agree to a managed move before February 28th? Does the admissions policy say you need to contact admissions for any change in circumstances between submitting application and offer day? Appeal and you have a chance, given this is unusual circumstances particularly if the managed move was only suggested/ offered after March 1st as goes against the admissions code.

Closing date for applications is 31st October. The son moved school mid March. You do the maths.

“You knew when you applied for her that you would be removing him? That's fraud.”

No she didn’t.

Shocked u moved yr son, when yr d was allocated a place to to them being there.
Buying a house in the area changes nothing, u tried beating the system and got caught.

They could have stated fraudulent application as well.

You applied under sibling criteria, so got a place on the basis that she would have a sibling in the school. Then you removed the sibling from the school. You knew when you applied for her that you would be removing him? That's fraud.

Now you want a place based on living close to the school...but you do not live in the address you are giving the school. That also gets prety close to fraud.

What were you even thinking here? If it was so important for your dd to go to this school, why did you cause all of this trouble?

You should definitely appeal. Were you in dialogue with the school about moving your son before National Offer Day?

Definitely listen to the advice above and appeal.

The other thing is who are the admissions for the school - the school themselves or LA(on behalf of the school). You need a clear timeline, when did the school/ you start looking at a managed move/move for your older child. Go through admissions policy with a fine tooth comb. Has your daughter got any school place for September? Is the school your older child at now suitable? Given she would then be higher priority.