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Can someone help me with English Lang please?

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Poppy802 · 09/05/2023 09:01

I'm trying hard to help my son. I've looked at his Mock Language paper. I'm looking at an 8 point question and he's got 1 mark out of 8.
The feedback is this:

Focus on behaviour
Write Less just PEA and compare

I said to my son do you understand her feedback and he said no he doesn't get it.
He doesn't feel he can talk to his teacher either.
How can I help my son with not long to go?
I've looked up PEA and can only see something about PEE? Is that the same?

I'd really appreciate some advice please 🙏

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Poppy802 · 09/05/2023 21:28

PianoLeGrande · 09/05/2023 21:19

This is the very best of MN @Poppy802 we are genuinely trying to help. As a parent I feel that the mark schemes really spell it out which then means you can help your children with it too. I had to do the same thing with Ds2.

That's so kind. My sons capable enough but has had a hard time and has been unable to focus properly but feel like we still have time to turn things around!

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clary · 09/05/2023 21:28

I was genuinely impressed that you spotted the paper @MrsHamlet tho if you mark it I’m guessing you saw a few iterations if the answers!

Love this helpful aspect of MN. Op best of luck to your ds.

MrsHamlet · 09/05/2023 21:25

clary · 09/05/2023 21:24

😀😀😀

I take all the praise I can get - even if I have to ask for it.
I might start competing with my y11 for the class trophy. 🤣

clary · 09/05/2023 21:24

MrsHamlet · 09/05/2023 21:03

Do I get a smiley face sticker for recognising the paper? 🤣

😀😀😀

PianoLeGrande · 09/05/2023 21:19

This is the very best of MN @Poppy802 we are genuinely trying to help. As a parent I feel that the mark schemes really spell it out which then means you can help your children with it too. I had to do the same thing with Ds2.

Poppy802 · 09/05/2023 21:15

PianoLeGrande · 09/05/2023 21:14

@Poppy802 mine didn't do AQA English lang, I just googled AQA past paper elephants mark scheme. It seems easy for us as a lot of us have been through this with our own children and are now trying to help everyone else too.

Thank you. Everyone's been so helpful.

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MrsHamlet · 09/05/2023 21:15

The questions and mark schemes on both papers are always the same, which helps

Poppy802 · 09/05/2023 21:14

PianoLeGrande · 09/05/2023 21:12

@MrsHamlet yes of course you get a sticker. <passes imaginary sticker>

@Poppy802 you need to check that mark scheme to see exactly what they class at the right answers. Here is the one, I think you want page 12

https://filestore.aqa.org.uk/sample-papers-and-mark-schemes/2019/november/AQA-87002-W-MS-NOV19.PDF

Thanks so much you superstar!!

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PianoLeGrande · 09/05/2023 21:14

@Poppy802 mine didn't do AQA English lang, I just googled AQA past paper elephants mark scheme. It seems easy for us as a lot of us have been through this with our own children and are now trying to help everyone else too.

MrsHamlet · 09/05/2023 21:13

Thanks @PianoLeGrande
I shall wear it with pride.
I liked elephants but Hawaii was my favourite.

PianoLeGrande · 09/05/2023 21:12

@MrsHamlet yes of course you get a sticker. <passes imaginary sticker>

@Poppy802 you need to check that mark scheme to see exactly what they class at the right answers. Here is the one, I think you want page 12

https://filestore.aqa.org.uk/sample-papers-and-mark-schemes/2019/november/AQA-87002-W-MS-NOV19.PDF

https://filestore.aqa.org.uk/sample-papers-and-mark-schemes/2019/november/AQA-87002-W-MS-NOV19.PDF

MrsHamlet · 09/05/2023 21:12

November 19

Poppy802 · 09/05/2023 21:11

Does anyone know where I can find the mark scheme for that question?
I don't have the full paper so don't know what year it was etc

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Itsallovernow23 · 09/05/2023 21:09

Aqa language paper 2 the 8 marker could be comparing question? The question is summarise either the differences or similarities between two texts about a give topic?
If so do SQI - make a summary statement, support with a quotation and make an inference for text A and theb connective and do thr same for text b.
Eg. The writer in Text a shows how the elephants were treated badly and described them as 'in a miserable condition' this suggests that the owners did not care for their welfare and were only interested in making profit (whatever you can infer from text as a whole). Whereas/similarly the write in text a shows how the elephants were..... "........" which suggests....
So long as he can make an inference then this structure shoild get him 6 marks

Poppy802 · 09/05/2023 21:09

Evvyjb · 09/05/2023 21:06

That particular question - they both try to escape. The elephant in source A escapes being tied up and then destroys things by accident, whereas Jumbo destroys things out of frustration. They both react poorly to being restricted and forced to behave in unnatural ways.

That question (AQA P2Q2) is essentially "spot the difference/similarity" and then make an inference about it.

Love that elephants paper.

I only gave the first bit of the answer he gave which was completely off but he did write a lot of things that i felt was relevant. But only got 1 mark
I read today you're looking at a minute per mark?

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Evvyjb · 09/05/2023 21:06

That particular question - they both try to escape. The elephant in source A escapes being tied up and then destroys things by accident, whereas Jumbo destroys things out of frustration. They both react poorly to being restricted and forced to behave in unnatural ways.

That question (AQA P2Q2) is essentially "spot the difference/similarity" and then make an inference about it.

Love that elephants paper.

MrsHamlet · 09/05/2023 21:03

Do I get a smiley face sticker for recognising the paper? 🤣

Poppy802 · 09/05/2023 21:00

PianoLeGrande · 09/05/2023 20:57

@Poppy802 it really helps us help you if we know what board it is. It will be on whatever school provided timetable wise, the usual one is AQA but also Edexcel etc.

I think one of the things that massively helps parents is looking at the exam papers and the mark scheme from previous years, you can then see what they are looking for. If you have a printer, print off the extract. Then open the question paper in one tab and the mark scheme in another (or two laptops if lucky). Look at the first question, go through it with him, then check the mark scheme. What have his identified that is on that list, what is he missing. Mine didn't do AQA English lang, but if they ask for 5 things there are usually like 8 or 9 as the English papers have no foundation or higher, just one paper for all.

Once he can see what he needs to do, let him tackle the next question and then look at the mark scheme. All the past papers are online. Absolutely get him to underline what he is looking for from the question, then in the text. Mine used to draw a [ around the text line numbers and write question 1 next to it so they knew it was only answers from that section that they were answering for question 1.

Thank you. He's doing AQA.

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PianoLeGrande · 09/05/2023 20:57

@Poppy802 it really helps us help you if we know what board it is. It will be on whatever school provided timetable wise, the usual one is AQA but also Edexcel etc.

I think one of the things that massively helps parents is looking at the exam papers and the mark scheme from previous years, you can then see what they are looking for. If you have a printer, print off the extract. Then open the question paper in one tab and the mark scheme in another (or two laptops if lucky). Look at the first question, go through it with him, then check the mark scheme. What have his identified that is on that list, what is he missing. Mine didn't do AQA English lang, but if they ask for 5 things there are usually like 8 or 9 as the English papers have no foundation or higher, just one paper for all.

Once he can see what he needs to do, let him tackle the next question and then look at the mark scheme. All the past papers are online. Absolutely get him to underline what he is looking for from the question, then in the text. Mine used to draw a [ around the text line numbers and write question 1 next to it so they knew it was only answers from that section that they were answering for question 1.

SnorkelingInHawai · 09/05/2023 18:02

If you look on YouTube and type in the board and exam he is doing - e.g IGCSE Cambridge First English - you will most probably find revision videos with teachers walking students through each question on the papers and explaining how to answer them.

My son made notes from the videos and then we practiced used the format suggested in the videos and applying it to real questions.

MrsHamlet · 09/05/2023 16:09

That's AQA paper 2, which I examine.
If you pm me, I am happy to send you my overview sheet that I give to my students.

clary · 09/05/2023 13:52

Yes agree with everyone, he’s not answered the question at all in what you quoted @Poppy802.

Great post from @2bazookas about how to see what he needs to do. It’s about identifying what the question is asking - in this case about behaviour, another time it may be about contrasting appearance or similar attitudes.

There are separate requirements for each question (I am assuming AQA?) - so some ask for facts, some need analysis of language techniques etc. Looking at the mark scheme will highlight this.

Yy to underlining key words, tho be aware he may not be allowed to use a highlighter.

ElizabethBest · 09/05/2023 13:11

I think it would help him to spend more time on the question before starting to answer, and to pick out and highlight what they actually want. So for that question

"Use details from both sources to write a summary about what you understand about the similar behaviour of the elephants."

the key points are that they want details, to use both sources, and you are looking at similar behaviour.

TeenDivided · 09/05/2023 12:32

Which board is it? (it will be on his formal exam entry list)

Poppy802 · 09/05/2023 10:47

NotDonna · 09/05/2023 10:43

Mine were told to underline/highlight the key words in a question - this helps them actually read the question and process what the question is looking for.

Great tip thank you

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