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Can someone help me with English Lang please?

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Poppy802 · 09/05/2023 09:01

I'm trying hard to help my son. I've looked at his Mock Language paper. I'm looking at an 8 point question and he's got 1 mark out of 8.
The feedback is this:

Focus on behaviour
Write Less just PEA and compare

I said to my son do you understand her feedback and he said no he doesn't get it.
He doesn't feel he can talk to his teacher either.
How can I help my son with not long to go?
I've looked up PEA and can only see something about PEE? Is that the same?

I'd really appreciate some advice please 🙏

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MrsHamlet · 09/05/2023 21:54

Poppy802 · 09/05/2023 21:49

Do you ever struggle really bad to read certain handwriting? Sorry it's turning into AMA!! I find it interesting.

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I get lots escalated to me, but it's very very rare that I can't make anything out. If I'm struggling, it's probably because it's very late at night!

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Poppy802 · 09/05/2023 21:53

LolaSmiles · 09/05/2023 21:51

Do I get a smiley face sticker for recognising the paper? 🤣
Yes, 😀.
You beat me to it.

I'm also surprised that PEA has been given to OP's son for this question.

SQI or SQUID or point-evidence-inference would all be more appropriate techniques as he won't gain marks analysing language in that question.

Eek..

I'm really not understanding when he should use PEA and Squid and how he would know....

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Poppy802 · 09/05/2023 21:52

Pieceofpurplesky · 09/05/2023 21:50

In ten years of marking there have been less than 10 I couldn't read.

I guess they failed if you couldn't read it.

My sons handwriting isn't great but a teacher has never raised concern

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LolaSmiles · 09/05/2023 21:52

Ignore me, other people have said the same thing already.
That will teach me not to read the whole thread.

LolaSmiles · 09/05/2023 21:51

Do I get a smiley face sticker for recognising the paper? 🤣
Yes, 😀.
You beat me to it.

I'm also surprised that PEA has been given to OP's son for this question.

SQI or SQUID or point-evidence-inference would all be more appropriate techniques as he won't gain marks analysing language in that question.

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Poppy802 · 09/05/2023 21:51

Pieceofpurplesky · 09/05/2023 21:48

@Poppy802 PEA doesn't allow for the comparison bit and pupils often make the mistake of analysing the language using PEA.

They only need inference and not analysis in this question.

It's above me! How would they know what technique to use? Sounds like his teacher doesn't know either!

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Pieceofpurplesky · 09/05/2023 21:50

In ten years of marking there have been less than 10 I couldn't read.

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Poppy802 · 09/05/2023 21:49

MrsHamlet · 09/05/2023 21:40

No one's checking I'm not drunk - but we're checked every day by the system when we start, and frequently through the day. If we get something wrong, a human has to check too.

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Do you ever struggle really bad to read certain handwriting? Sorry it's turning into AMA!! I find it interesting.

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Pieceofpurplesky · 09/05/2023 21:48

@Poppy802 PEA doesn't allow for the comparison bit and pupils often make the mistake of analysing the language using PEA.

They only need inference and not analysis in this question.

Random102 · 09/05/2023 21:47

MrsHamlet · 09/05/2023 21:41

@Random102 I can send you some stuff if you want to pm me

That would be amazing thank you!

MrsHamlet · 09/05/2023 21:45

Evvyjb · 09/05/2023 21:44

Oh lord last year's marking. Nightmares about scorpions and life saving rescues (why were they all stuck in lifts?!?).

Search for "mr dowling padlet" - some really lovely resources there

Every year I give thanks that I mark Lit 1 and Lang 2, and not the other way round 🤣

Evvyjb · 09/05/2023 21:44

Oh lord last year's marking. Nightmares about scorpions and life saving rescues (why were they all stuck in lifts?!?).

Search for "mr dowling padlet" - some really lovely resources there

MrsHamlet · 09/05/2023 21:41

@Random102 I can send you some stuff if you want to pm me

MrsHamlet · 09/05/2023 21:40

Poppy802 · 09/05/2023 21:38

Well done you!!

What's in place to make sure they're being marked correctly? Not saying you but how do we know there's not someone marking them whilst drinking a bottle of wine at the same time! 🙈🙈

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No one's checking I'm not drunk - but we're checked every day by the system when we start, and frequently through the day. If we get something wrong, a human has to check too.

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Poppy802 · 09/05/2023 21:39

Pieceofpurplesky · 09/05/2023 21:36

I mark this paper. If it is Q2 it is the question "use evidence from both sources to write a summary of ..."

The 8 mark question is a summary and not a language analysis. PEA doesn't tend to work and when marking I can see how students have been trained incorrectly.

I would look at SQUID
Statement sentence
Quote
Inference
Difference

That's interesting as his only feedback was use PEA?

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Poppy802 · 09/05/2023 21:38

MrsHamlet · 09/05/2023 21:31

Yep. Last summer I did way more than 500. That's a lot of reading about campsites, and whether holidays have to be far away and expensive.

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Well done you!!

What's in place to make sure they're being marked correctly? Not saying you but how do we know there's not someone marking them whilst drinking a bottle of wine at the same time! 🙈🙈

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Random102 · 09/05/2023 21:38

Following for info as there is some really helpful posts here!

I’m helping one of my students with AQA English this year and as a maths teacher I’m completely out of my comfort zone so I need all the help I can get!

PianoLeGrande · 09/05/2023 21:37

@MrsHamlet firstly, thank you for your marking, it isn't well paid and I respect you for trawling through all those papers. Iit was thanks to an incredible English teacher and her specifics for Ds2 on how to improve and me doing some serious leg work at home we got him from scraping a 5 in his November mock to an 8 at GCSE. Not bad for a boy who absolutely hated English lang and lit but applied himself, did loads of extra work because he wasn't going to let it beat him.

As a side note I love Hamlet and saw Sir Ken Branagh perform at the RSC. Breathtaking. My degree is English lit and everyone in this house is a maths head. Noooooo. Hence why I come on these threads, no one talks about English lit in this house. Luckily both DCs read.

Pieceofpurplesky · 09/05/2023 21:36

I mark this paper. If it is Q2 it is the question "use evidence from both sources to write a summary of ..."

The 8 mark question is a summary and not a language analysis. PEA doesn't tend to work and when marking I can see how students have been trained incorrectly.

I would look at SQUID
Statement sentence
Quote
Inference
Difference

smooththecat · 09/05/2023 21:34

Having taught A levels, the number of students who do not understanding what a point is, how to come up with one, what analysis is, what evidence is, or how to structure a paragraph by the end of the course is pretty amazing. No, it’s not down to poor teaching, it’s similar across essay-based courses. I don’t know what it’s about, best guess is lack of reading.

Some good advice on here OP. Encourage reading, it’s a ‘natural’ way to get to grips with this (according to me).

MrsHamlet · 09/05/2023 21:31

Poppy802 · 09/05/2023 21:30

You mark that many? Wow.

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Yep. Last summer I did way more than 500. That's a lot of reading about campsites, and whether holidays have to be far away and expensive.

MrsHamlet · 09/05/2023 21:30

@Poppy802 I'll take a medal too!!!

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Poppy802 · 09/05/2023 21:30

MrsHamlet · 09/05/2023 21:29

@clary I normally do about 300 in November and upwards of 500 in the summer. There are months of the year when I dream about those things 🤣

3 weeks of dreamless sleep to go...

You mark that many? Wow.

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Poppy802 · 09/05/2023 21:29

MrsHamlet · 09/05/2023 21:25

I take all the praise I can get - even if I have to ask for it.
I might start competing with my y11 for the class trophy. 🤣

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You deserve a medal 🏅😍😍

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MrsHamlet · 09/05/2023 21:29

@clary I normally do about 300 in November and upwards of 500 in the summer. There are months of the year when I dream about those things 🤣

3 weeks of dreamless sleep to go...