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So, is Cover supervisor the worst job in the world then?

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MaureenMLove · 15/02/2008 18:45

Should I just do the interview for experience and get out before I'm in, iyswim? I'm getting vibes that its not a pleasant job! Tell me the truth now, MN is good for telling you like it is!

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DualCycloneCod · 15/02/2008 22:14

lol at wasps
phse is fab how cna you not iek it?
no start after easter

MaureenMLove · 15/02/2008 21:32

Ya see, even in my novice state, I can see that an electric pencil sharpener was a BIG mistake. HUGE!

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MaureenMLove · 15/02/2008 21:29

Right. Thankyou ladies. I really appreciate your honesty with this one!

I am moving on to a different stage of my life. DD is 12. I don't need to be around for her so much anymore and being a childminder is lovely, but I really could do with getting rid of the toys in my house! I was 40 last month and I am ready to move on with my life and get a proper job! (god help me, don't tell the cm's I said that!) I have always wanted to work with children in some form and at the time of making a career decision, teaching wasn't possible. I think that this is my year to make big changes. I reckon I am perfectly capable of dealing with students on a CS level. I am strong willed and know how to deal with a bunch of 14 year olds and can do it effectively. I know I am capable of showing them who's in charge, but at the same time showing compassion to their needs. If I have the opportunity to move on to the next step of becoming a teacher, then that would be brilliant and basically take me to where I wanted to be 20 years ago. I will go into this interview armed with all this info and by god, I'll be the best CS this school has ever had!

Thankyou again. The interview is 29th February. I have taken note of all your names and may be looking you out again in the next two weeks!

Thank god for MN, I don't know what I would have done without you!

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fizzbuzz · 15/02/2008 21:21

But do they do 2B pencils, as I swear my classes eat these (or sharpen them too enthusiastically to 2cm long...)

Completely off the track here, I once bought an electric pencil sharpner.........NEVER AGAIN.....

Blandmum · 15/02/2008 21:13

Fizzbuzz, go to Tescos, they have some packs of 50 HB pencils for £1, and 20 pens for £1!

fizzbuzz · 15/02/2008 21:08

Yes, my feet never touch the floor either.

You will have to:

Referee petty squabbles in Year 7, this often takes a lot of the lesson

Bully them into action in Year 9

Confiscate a shops worth of expensive electrical items

Remove eyelash curlers

Seperate lazy/silly kids

Chase out wasps which cause mayhem. Ditto farts.

Hassle about uniform (never ending)

Deal with tears/tantrums

Stop repeat offenders fronm trying everything to get out of the classroom

Fend of requests for rulers and pens etc, as in fact you are just a walking branch of WH Smiths.

Deal with odd requests, such as do you have any bells/ping pong balls/ fairy wings (all of which I have been asked for at sometime)

Sometimes you even get to deliver a lesson as well!

ScienceTeacher · 15/02/2008 21:02

I spent a fair bit of last year doing supply work at a school that was Ofsted rated 'outstanding' in all categories. The school had about six cover supervisors, and I was basically the only supply teacher.

I will start out by saying that I had immense respect for the cover supervisors. They (the ones that stuck it out) did a wonderful job, if a bit battle weary by the summer term. Three of the six had teaching qualifications but unable to find their first job.

As a supply teacher, I would say that I had more confidence to adapt the instructions left by the class teacher. The cover supervisors were not really allowed to do this. I also had had a lot of training in classroom management (in my PGCE year, all of my classes were supervised, right up to the July). Cover supervisors had the advantage of being on staff, being known to the students, and being in the loop with disciplinary procedures.

Schools will generally share the good vs bad classes around their teachers, cover supervisors and supply teachers. However, much of the experience could be poor. A lot depends on how well you are able to dust off poor classes and look forward to the next.

The best CS that I came across were those who had ambitions to move on to the next step. They pretty much only had plans to do the job for one year, and then either teach or go onto teacher training. They basically used their CS year to build up their classroom management portfolio, much as I did as a supply teacher.

roisin · 15/02/2008 20:48

MaureenMLove - 95% of lessons I don't sit down at all: it's just not that sort of school. There's always someone poking someone else, or getting their mobile out, or chewing, or passing notes, or whatever! Or someone who genuinely needs some help or inspiration. When I'm "not doing anything" I usually stand at the back or side of the class and surreptitiously lurk.

The only time I sit down are the very rare classes when I really do expect they will get on and work exceptionally well with 0 input from me; or to prove a point for 5 mins and pretend I'm not watching them and to give them the impression I expect them to get on with their work without me breathing down their necks!

fizzbuzz · 15/02/2008 20:47

What do you have to deliver in PHSE?

fizzbuzz · 15/02/2008 20:45

Our CS do 25 hours per week, all cover. This is on a 25 period timetable. They also do registrations as well.

I think that is quite tough tbh AND they are employed until 4.30 to help out with clubs etc.

However, out of 4, 2 have stayed long term and one of them is training to be a teacher, so it can't be that bad!! I will point out that the ones who stuck are the more ..ahem...mature ones.

I love CS's. As they teach all of the kids they are great for moaning with, as they know all the difficult kids!!

Good luck....as for what do you do in lessons when you have started them off....tee hee I used to think this before I started teaching.....You will find LOTS to keep you occupied.....

roisin · 15/02/2008 20:45

Wahey Cod - way to go
Hope it goes fantastically.
Is it starting now - Monday?

Have you got your timetable, Schemes of Work, etc? What age are you teaching phse? (I hate phse!)

DualCycloneCod · 15/02/2008 20:01

you soudsn a great asset to the school r

DualCycloneCod · 15/02/2008 20:01

you read grazia
arf
have got a job rosiin! oh yes 0.5 geo and phse till july

one summer hoiday IN the bag

MaureenMLove · 15/02/2008 19:47

So, what do you do at your desk if they're all getting on with their work? Just sit and watch them? Or do you have papers to shuffle! Sorry for all the questions, but forewarned is forearmed and all that!

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roisin · 15/02/2008 19:43

I have a generally high level of education, and the school is 11-16 and low-achieving. Work left for cover is usually things that students should be able to complete with minimal assistance. So I hardly ever have get asked something I can't answer. When I do, I'm quite honest as I think the students respect that more than bluffing.

(Actually more often than not knowing I sometimes pretend I can't help, if students are prevaricating and making out they are unable to start the work themselves, which is usually complete rubbish and just a time-wasting exercise. Sometimes you get a very needy class, and have ten hands up at once. So I just say I haven't been in your last three lessons: you have. I know you've done some work with Miss XXX on [persuasive writing]. She tells me you should all be able to complete this work by the end of the lesson. If you really struggle with a question, read it through again carefully; and if you still can't do it then skip it and go on to the next one. I monitor the students as they're working, and if there's something everyone is finding difficult I will do some 'teaching' from the front if I'm confident - it's easier in some subjects than others - but also I will pass that back to the class teacher in feedback. Another thing I do with a class like this is to say, right hands down. I'm not going to answer any questions for ten minutes. I want everybody to have a go at this themselves and give it their best try. In ten minutes we'll check again to see how everyone's getting on, and go through the first 20 questions - or whatever.)

MaureenMLove · 15/02/2008 19:41

I'm being paid for 25 hours a weeks. The job spec says, 25 hours p/w, 39 weeks per year. Then it gives the salary as p/a. I will check that its pro-rata over 12 months.

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MaureenMLove · 15/02/2008 19:37

Exactly that Whizzz, they are just there to read out instructions for lessons left by the teacher and assist, if they can!

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Whizzz · 15/02/2008 19:35

MaureenMLove - but what makes a cover supervisor able to teach, or are they not supposed to 'teach' - merely to read out set work left by a teacher ??

roisin · 15/02/2008 19:32

Quick Hijack - Cod, what are you doing workwise? Are you starting something soon? Medium-term supply?

Is that 25 hrs cover? Or 25 hrs they are paying you for?

I was sure I had no chance at my interview (far less experience than you), so I was super-relaxed and got the job. Hope it goes well!

I do literacy intervention with yr7s. I also run two reading clubs; effectively one of these is in a lunch hour and one in my paid time. But I also spend time planning all of these in my paid time. I organise guest speakers occasionally, and have got an author in doing creative writing workshops next week.

I also do all the admin (letters, liaison with parents, collecting money etc.) for two MFL trips, and go on one of them each year.

In my school CS are linked to departments - I'm with English and MFL, and I do a variety of admin/support work for them when cover commitments allow.

MaureenMLove · 15/02/2008 19:30

Supply teacher is a trained teacher. Cover supervisors are civvies iyswim!

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MaureenMLove · 15/02/2008 19:29

No, I need to know the facts! So, do you cover for all subjects and what do you do if you don't know the answer to a question? I have a fear that I'll be covering a subject that I know nothing about! My french, for examples, extends to asking for 4 beers and a chocolate icecream!

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Whizzz · 15/02/2008 19:29

is it that the school employs a permanent cover supervisor whereas supply teachers can be transient??

Whizzz · 15/02/2008 19:28

What's the difference (& I should know this but have never asked!) between a Cover Supervisor and a Supply Teacher ??

MaureenMLove · 15/02/2008 19:23

Thanks Rosin! The hours are 25 hours a week! I know that the school is not the best in the borough either. I'm not sure now! I doubt I'll get it tbh! Its my first interview since 1984! What have you carved out then, that makes it worth the money? (Which ain't bad actually!)

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roisin · 15/02/2008 19:21

Sorry, that's all very negative.

Time off/hours etc are great! I'm paid 52 wks of the year (check you are), but work only 39. I don't work at all in the holidays, and work 8.30 - 3.30 daily. I occasionally bring something home, but that's 'choice' - it's not expected iyswim. And the other CS in our school largely don't.

Also we do a good job and I genuinely believe it's usually better for students to have cover from in-house staff rather than irregular supply. I am continually and repeatedly thanked by teachers because the students have completed the work set for them, when with supply teachers the instructions haven't been followed, and the pupils haven't done what was expected.