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If in London and you got a place at your preferred school via the waiting list, how far down were you and how long did you have to wait for your place?

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CloudsOverHead · 18/04/2023 11:13

We're 40+ on the waiting list for our preferred school (250 intake) but before any second round offers were made. I was told by the admissions people that there was a lot of movement to come (in London so always lots moving in/out/going private) but don't know whether to hold hopes high or assume it's never going to happen.

In previous years, I know people who were in the 60s on the list (same school) who got their place in early April but others who only moved from 50ish to 30ish before giving up in August.

Really interested to hear other experiences please!

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Turquoiseturtle3 · 08/05/2023 09:12

Exactly, they are locked into the fees! I can see some exceptions to people holding both places, but not the majority who have a lot of money/secure jobs. We were discussing the point that maybe as one or two were holding, it made it more acceptable for the others to also hold their state places. She was explaining to them that they will be depriving another child of the induction days etc. Hopefully they will see sense the closer it gets to these deadlines. Hopefully the secondary schools will be fed back that they are also holding private places as the school will then be on their case as they need their numbers.

CloudsOverHead · 08/05/2023 08:18

Turquoiseturtle3 · 07/05/2023 20:47

I saw my friend today. She works in a school office in the borough of Wandsworth. She said she was appalled to find out that a lot (Ie: majority) of parents were holding offers for private and state, with no intention of taking the state places. Apparently the primary school have asked parents about their chosen school, and the state secondary schools have also sent through a list of children who have places to arrange meetings etc. She’s had to have conversations to persuade them to give up their state place if they have no intention of going. There is a lot of “just in case” responses.

That would certainly explain why it’s moving a lot slower than usual this year. But surely they’ve paid for a term so they’ve made their decision and they know they have to give up the state place eventually? What will be the trigger for giving up the place?

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Turquoiseturtle3 · 07/05/2023 20:47

I saw my friend today. She works in a school office in the borough of Wandsworth. She said she was appalled to find out that a lot (Ie: majority) of parents were holding offers for private and state, with no intention of taking the state places. Apparently the primary school have asked parents about their chosen school, and the state secondary schools have also sent through a list of children who have places to arrange meetings etc. She’s had to have conversations to persuade them to give up their state place if they have no intention of going. There is a lot of “just in case” responses.

Turquoiseturtle3 · 06/05/2023 17:51

Movement of 20 seems great to me. It’s low single digits in the school I want because they over offered massively :(

Fruits81 · 06/05/2023 16:19

We have moved from late 40’s at the beginning of April to late 20’s this week.
Not sure if that’s good or bad!! Hopeful or not!!
Trying to be optimistic, that it’s still 4 months and things can change xx

CloudsOverHead · 06/05/2023 14:50

Turquoiseturtle3 · 06/05/2023 14:46

What’s your rough waiting list position? Do you have any idea from the council how many offers they usually make? I’m going to ask again in a few weeks as almost don’t want to know.

Early 30s now. Didn’t ask but will next time. I feel the same and not sure if I really want to know 🙁

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Turquoiseturtle3 · 06/05/2023 14:46

CloudsOverHead · 06/05/2023 14:14

@Turquoiseturtle3 we moved forward 14 spaces from the second round but still feel too far away. Especially as I hear from others it’s moving only very slowly 😞Am trying to hold out as long as I can before calling for an update!

What’s your rough waiting list position? Do you have any idea from the council how many offers they usually make? I’m going to ask again in a few weeks as almost don’t want to know.

CloudsOverHead · 06/05/2023 14:14

@Turquoiseturtle3 we moved forward 14 spaces from the second round but still feel too far away. Especially as I hear from others it’s moving only very slowly 😞Am trying to hold out as long as I can before calling for an update!

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Turquoiseturtle3 · 06/05/2023 08:11

Anyone got any updates? The Surrey grammars are moving, albeit slowly

Turquoiseturtle3 · 26/04/2023 23:39

I know in Richmond, for grey court they have only made about 5 offers in a month. I know this is for one school but the volumes dont’t seem huge/unmanageable.

They also now have primary school admissions to deal with so this must be a quiet time for secondary as they must stagger them for a reason…

Fruits81 · 26/04/2023 21:51

@CloudsOverHead oh wow!! 10 days to respond, I didn’t know that.

CloudsOverHead · 26/04/2023 21:32

@Fruits81 when I spoke to the admissions people they said they email out the offer and then give people 10 days to respond. I didn't think they called.

Also maybe a communication delay if you get a place at a school in one Borough and then release a place in another? Wonder how that works?

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Fruits81 · 26/04/2023 21:10

I can imagine it’s a slow process. I guess they have to contact people to offer, wait for them to call back etc, then I suppose give them an amount of time to make a decision to decline/ accept.
It must be tedious but I guess you have to give people time to respond, I know I would be vexed if I missed a call and then they offer to the next person but I wish it would move quicker xx

CloudsOverHead · 26/04/2023 20:46

This may be a stupid question but in the admissions departments how much is automated and how much is dependent on the people working there? Could staff availability also be an issue with fewer people around meaning places being offered at a slower rate than previous years so just taking longer for the movement to happen?? Clutching at straws I know!

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Fruits81 · 26/04/2023 18:04

🤯 that’s not good news!!

You would think that LA’s obviously would have know that this year would be hard to find places after the primary admissions in 2016 for our kid. I’m assuming the same happened when we applied for primary (although in our area we have a lot more really good primaries than secondaries)

Let’s hope the schools we are waiting for and surrounding ones miraculously put on a bulge class 🤣🤣 xx

Turquoiseturtle3 · 26/04/2023 14:52

This isn’t looking good at all for those waiting then, especially if you are further down the list like me. We were hoping it would follow the same pattern for the last few years but clearly not.

RNBrie · 26/04/2023 08:17

Where I live (South West london) the 2012 birth rate was the peak after which it drops dramatically which I think is the case for most London boroughs. It went up slightly between 2013 and 2014 but the overall trend is a dramatic drop.

Primary schools here are now fighting to stay full. One of our local primaries used to be 4 form intake (120 kids) and has only had 40 first choice applications this year so looking unlikely it will fill even 2 classes.

Our waiting lists for Yr7 are moving much more slowly than in previous years. I've heard for our 1st choice school around half the number of places became available after the acceptance day than they usually see. We feel really fortunate to have got a place in the 2nd round of offers. We have plenty of friends waiting who would have got in in every previous year on record.

SleepyRooster · 23/04/2023 14:01

Well, that's what I'm wondering- does the population uptick actually make a difference or not?
It's an easy answer but is it correct?

CloudsOverHead · 23/04/2023 12:52

@SleepyRooster oh wow! I guess that would explain why it all seems to be moving slower than in previous years😞

Right I've promised the family I'll try and forget about it all for a bit given there's absolutely nothing we can do 😞

Good luck to everyone waiting!!

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SleepyRooster · 23/04/2023 12:24

From a 2013 news report on ONS data:

"The UK population has grown by more than 400,000 in a year after the biggest baby boom in 40 years.
There were 813,200 births in Britain in the year up to 30 June 2012, which is the highest level seen since 1972."

news.sky.com/story/amp/biggest-baby-boom-for-40-years-in-the-uk-10437932

CloudsOverHead · 23/04/2023 10:42

@SleepyRooster was there a baby boom in 2012? I had in mind that it was the 2009/10 years that were highest and then it started to go down? I remember from reception that 2013 was particularly low.

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SleepyRooster · 23/04/2023 08:46

We are on a grammar school WL. We can see the data for how quickly that school's WL moved in recent years - and about half the time offers went up as far as our own WL# (mid-20s). Obviously we aren't telling our DC any of this, and are being super-positive about her 2nd choice school.

However: is there evidence that WLs are moving slower than normal this year?
Due to the private school fees hike, the cost of living crisis, and the baby boom of 2012.
Anyone heard anything to support that? Is this the year the WLs dried up???

Powderherface · 22/04/2023 22:07

We are not taking the place but DC was low 20s on a waiting list for a school that takes 70 selective out of 280. DC was offered a place just before Easter.

Turquoiseturtle3 · 22/04/2023 16:25

I definitely don’t think there would be many, but I’ve heard of people keeping their state place “just in case”. I think the vast majority probably decline but there are usually no shows at the start of term that end up being released so….

CloudsOverHead · 22/04/2023 15:17

@Turquoiseturtle3 do you think many people who intend to go private keep a state place as well? I naively thought they'd make up all the declines from the first round and they're all out of the system now.

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