Please or to access all these features

Secondary education

Connect with other parents whose children are starting secondary school on this forum.

Choosing local comp over private or grammar

63 replies

Jujujuly · 08/03/2023 15:20

Has anyone done this?

I’m getting way ahead of myself here because DC is only 5 (reception in local state primary in zone 3 London). Obviously I have no idea how they will develop in future but based on their current ability and DH’s and my background it wouldn’t be a surprise if they do well academically.

I have a well paid job atm but DH doesn’t. I’m planning to stick it out for another c4 years to max out pension and make serious dent in the mortgage and then really scale it back. By that time DC will be year 5/6. If I continued in this job we’d be able to fund private school or move house to a grammar/high performing state catchment.

I’m inclined to think that DC will probably do well in the local comp and would benefit more from having me around a lot more, but I’m not sure. Education seems like a total rat race in London and conversations have already started about secondaries. Has anyone been in a position to send their child to a high performing school but decided not to?

OP posts:
Jujujuly · 08/03/2023 16:40

Thanks @cantkeepawayforever i think/hope we would be in a position to do the same. I can totally see the attraction of the one stop shop aspect of private education for people who are cash rich but time poor (us at the moment!) but intending to reverse that situation by the time DC are secondary age.

OP posts:
cantkeepawayforever · 08/03/2023 16:19

Sorry, posting again. One of the things we were able to do alongside the comprehensive education was foster our children’s extra-curricular interests at a high level outside school - at county / club / specialist level. We had time, funds and inclination to do this, and good local provision for a wide range of sport / creative fields. It has given the DC experiences, confidence, wide peer groups and ambitions that did not necessarily cone from their schooling alone.

This is something that is often provided ‘under one roof’ at private schools, and for different families that ‘one stop shop’ may be a really attractive option for a variety of reasons.

QuietLieDown · 08/03/2023 16:07

Yes we did. We actively chose the local comp over highly selective private options in our area (not a grammar area). I went to a similar private secondary school, and DH was at grammar, so private was very much on the table. But after looking at all options we felt that the local state secondary was the best choice for our DS. I totally understand where your question is coming from as I was really nervous about making that choice, worried that I was denying them the "best" experience, especially for academically very able children. It felt risky as state secondary was unfamiliar to both of us, and the school was very new, but it has been fantastic. I feel very fortunate to have had that option, and am so glad we made that choice. Two DCs there now and thriving.

Echo what other posters have said though - it totally depends on the individual child and the individual schools. And bear in mind that rumour and reputation so often don't reflect the reality of a school - try to talk to families that are actually at the schools you eventually consider.

Dodgeitornot · 08/03/2023 16:06

@Jujujuly I work in the area and we looked at Walthamstow School for Girls for my daughter with an EHCP but we're not local. I don't know much about the schools down your way aside from the girls school and at one point in time we took my daughter to the dyslexia centre after school that's based at Frederick Bremmer. Nothing really aside from that I'm afraid.

cantkeepawayforever · 08/03/2023 16:05

The presence of grammar schools can, I agree, be a really complicating factor for the presence and peer group of able children.

It’s worth looking at the DfE ‘Compare Schools’ tool to compare numbers and progress of able pupils in different schools. If the number is very small compared to the size of the intake, which can happen in ‘full’ grammar areas like Kent, then that will affect your child’s experience more than if the ratios of the difference abilities is broadly ‘average’, in line with fully comprehensive areas.

As I say, we were really lucky given the nature of the comprehensives / grammars / private schools locally.

Jujujuly · 08/03/2023 16:02

Thanks @Dodgeitornot you sound pretty knowledgeable about the area - much appreciated. And good points about things changing. I hadn’t even considered grammars in Essex…must be a fairly long commute?! But worth considering I guess when we get to that point.

OP posts:
Dodgeitornot · 08/03/2023 15:56

That area is going through so much change In would stay put. Even in a really good state it is a lucky dip what year group your child ends up and what staff will be working there at the time. Imho it's not worth moving for any school at the moment, with how the education system is looking. There is so much uncertainty about teacher availablity and I don't think house prices will be that reliant on school catchments anymore. I just wouldn't risk it, there is a crisis in education now, in all sectors, let alone once your child is in secondary school. If you have the opportunity to have a comfortable life now, put away enough away to have a small mortgage and have the ability to help your child or get tutors, I would do that.
However, the Essex grammars have no catchment, tons of kids every morning at Stratford station going towards Chelmsford.

Jujujuly · 08/03/2023 15:52

Thanks @Dodgeitornot.

Probably a bit outing but we are on the edge of Waltham Forest but within the catchment of the Redbridge grammars. No private schools close by but an easy commute from those in central London and in the other direction towards Essex (Forest, Chigwell etc). There are no “desirable” state schools nearby, but the local comps all basically seem fine. I like our house and our area and don’t really want to move. But don’t want to let our kids down either.

OP posts:
Dodgeitornot · 08/03/2023 15:46

If you're not already in a grammar area, I wouldn't move into one until your child is at least in Y4 and you've got a good idea of ability. Grammars tend to suck up the more able kids in the area and the comps are left with the rest. Although London has so many schools it doesn't really feel like that so may not be relevant to you.
I would choose whatever options allows you the most financial freedom as well as time for your child. Home life is the single biggest deciding factor on attainment.

Jujujuly · 08/03/2023 15:42

Thanks - interesting re family commentary @cantkeepawayforever - I can imagine similar here.

Ive always been opposed on principle to private education but benefited from an excellent free grammar education myself and it all feels very different when it’s your own precious children!

We have so much time realistically to make this decision but I’m very interested to hear others experiences.

OP posts:
CatOnTheChair · 08/03/2023 15:34

No grammar school here.
We chose the comp rather than either of the private schools that are a simlar distance away (indeed, the catchment comp is the furthest away of the 3 schools).
Kids both thriving currently. We will see what GCSE's bring, but no regrets so far.

cantkeepawayforever · 08/03/2023 15:31

Yes, though the comp in question is a very good one. Both there 11-16. One stayed for 6th form, other moved to a different school for A levels.

Both at very selective higher education institutions for their specific interests - one high level academic, one creative.

It felt high risk at some points, and we have had to deal with commentary from family and friends, especially earlier on when their ‘future success’ was not yet obvious.

It does depend critically on the individual schools, rather than the sectors, though - for the specific comp/grammars/ privates local to us, it made sense. In another area, for different schools - very possibly not.

PuttingDownRoots · 08/03/2023 15:25

We chose to move out of a Grammar area to a fully comprehensive area with a school offering both GCSEs and BTEC. DD is only year 7, but really happy with the decision... especially as she suddenly took off in Yr6 and is now in the top stream. The school genuinely caters fir all abilities.

We are no where near London though. Lot less of a post code lottery.