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GCSE Food Prep & Nutrition - 2019 spec hard?

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ComplexNeeds · 24/01/2023 16:06

DD Yr9 choosing GCSEs and considering Food Prep & Nutrition as her ‘creative’. I’ve looked at the AQA spec (although not sure if that’s the board that school uses) and it does seem quite science based, which is great in many ways but DD isn’t very academic. What have other DCs thought of the new spec (post 2019, is very different to previous spec). School don’t offer BTECs and she’s already choosing maths, English x2, triple science, mfl, history, so food would be her ninth. Thanks in advance.

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ComplexNeeds · 26/01/2023 13:30

That’s incredibly helpful @Bimbleberries thank you for taking the time out for such a full explanation. She met with HoY earlier who has agreed to her doing 9 rather than 10, and agreed to her subject choices but added that if she’s struggling with triple she can drop down to double (apparently the timetable allows this) and end up with 8. We all know 8 GCSEs is fine. So that takes the pressure off yet gives her an opportunity to give it a go and see.
You’ve all been AMAZINGLY helpful in making these tricky decisions and giving her pointers to discuss with HoY.

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Bimbleberries · 26/01/2023 11:31

Yes, foundation stops at 5, so if she is capable of getting 6, then higher is the better choice generally - it does mean covering quite a lot more work, though, and sometimes the harder levels of maths or science can be off putting enough to a grade 5/6 candidate that they lose confidence or don't get enough practice on the more basic stuff. And in those cases, sometimes foundation is the better choice for a more secure grade 5. (I know more about maths than science though). If there are sets, though, that can help a lot as they can tailor the work to the class and spend more time on fundamental skills and less on the grade 8/9 stuff as needed. And the pupils in those sets don't feel as intimidated by the grade 9 pupils. So then higher might be the right choice. It's not always an easy decision - probably good idea to discuss with the teachers who know her and her abilities. Certainly easier to start with higher and drop down to foundation if needed than the other way around. And the score needed for a 5 on Foundation is much higher than on the Higher paper, so can be less good for pupils who are more likely to make many small errors, for example, even on easy work. However, foundation is definitely right for some pupils, and a grade 5 is fine for many future courses - probably not for some choices at some schools, though, and it might be quite satisfying for her to get a grade 6 if she is capable of it.

ComplexNeeds · 26/01/2023 09:30

Thank you @chocolatenutcase We can cope with repetitive dinners if someone else is cooking them especially if there’s a spotless kitchen afterwards! She’s speaking to head of year this morning about her choices so hopefully she’ll approve and give her the green light.
@Bimbleberries no one has mentioned foundation level to me or her. It’s hard to tell at yr9 but I think she could get 6’s. Does foundation stop at grade 5? If so, she wouldn’t want that, she’d want to at least try for 6’s, I think. Hopefully the head of year will give her some guidance today.

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chocolatenutcase · 25/01/2023 23:30

I asked my DS today what her say to someone considering Food and nutrition gcse. His reply was if you like biology then the theory will be enjoyable. The practical element is easy if you already have kitchen skills. He said it taught him organisational skills in the kitchen, washing up as he goes along, efficiency etc. As a parent you have to be prepared for the same meal for 5 weekends in a row when they are practising but I have to say when he cleans the kitchen now after cooking it's spotless.

Bimbleberries · 25/01/2023 19:34

Sounds like Food Tech will be a good choice for her then.
I too was wondering if there was a PE option.. She might have to do a team sport as well, but her dance and gymnastics might serve her well for that and she would enjoy at least one subject.

Is it worth considering Foundation levels for maths and science, if she's only aiming for a 5/6 on a good day? A 5 is quite a respectable mark and she could get that on the foundation level, and then the workload wouldn't be so bad even if the Food Tech was quite intense in terms of work and organisation.

ComplexNeeds · 25/01/2023 17:27

What a fab story @thing47
Thats a great tip @Rabbitthethird genius!

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Rabbitthethird · 25/01/2023 16:47

A slightly off topic tip from my Food Tec degree apprenticeship DC who did GCSE but pre 2019 - if you miniaturise your dishes, you get extra marks for scaling the ingredients down, and they don't take as long to cook which reduces the anxiety over the time pressure a little.

gogohmm · 25/01/2023 16:39

Dd did food tech, it's was pretty full on as far as presentation work, portfolio, practicing dishes at home plus supplying ingredients (school did ask families if they could afford it before option was finalised) but not that academic

thing47 · 25/01/2023 16:32

@ComplexNeeds does the school not offer PE GCSE? She could concentrate on her dance and gymnastics, sounds like she would do really well.

Failing that, here's a positive story for you and your DD. My goddaughter did Food Tech not knowing much about it, but had to choose something for her final GCSE choice… Sh loved it, did it for A level, then degree, then PhD. Now works abroad for an international food agency!

ComplexNeeds · 25/01/2023 12:29

I’ll find out which exam board - most subjects there seem to be AQA but not always.

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ComplexNeeds · 25/01/2023 12:28

@Sublimeursula I hear you! And totally agree. She won’t move schools. I tried to persuade her last year ready for yr9 but she absolutely will not. 🤷‍♀️ So we are where we are as @TheMarzipanDildo points out. There’s limited choice and she’s an average kid who’s average in most things. Dislikes most subjects other than history (which I think she’ll go off when gcse starts!) The triple is a worry but so is maths. But as long as she passes, which I think she’s capable of then all good. you’re right about self esteem! But she’s not for moving.

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luvit · 25/01/2023 12:22

Whycanineverever · 25/01/2023 12:14

My DD is sitting gcse this year. Only 10% of final grade is cooking.

It is far more food science / nutrition based and there are quite large numbers in her class that obviously did not understand this and are struggling with the work. There is also quite a large element of coursework through Y11 so they need to be motivated to work on that in good time.

It depends which exam board. My son did AQA Food Prep & Nutrition which was:
50% written exam,
35% food preparation assessment (the practical exam)
15% Food investigation (the wriiten project)

Sublimeursula · 25/01/2023 12:19

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Whycanineverever · 25/01/2023 12:15

ComplexNeeds · 24/01/2023 23:11

@luvit she's not aiming for any 9’s - she’s more 5/6’s… maybe… on a good day. It’d be nice if this was a decent grade though. She has adhd so the organisation required for master chef type practical could be interesting! But yes she can practice lots at home. Thank you for sharing your DS’s experience. I’m guessing with an all 9 son he won’t have faced any issues with the theory, which is likely with my DD.

My daughter has been told that even if you mess up final practical you will still get points for showing you have planned it, identified timings etc. so if the cooking does go wrong it's not a disaster for marking.

Whycanineverever · 25/01/2023 12:14

My DD is sitting gcse this year. Only 10% of final grade is cooking.

It is far more food science / nutrition based and there are quite large numbers in her class that obviously did not understand this and are struggling with the work. There is also quite a large element of coursework through Y11 so they need to be motivated to work on that in good time.

Regulus · 25/01/2023 11:56

I think triple science is a good idea if not academic, because a, if you fail one you can pass the other two, but also you tend to get taught by Subject specialists.

Food is a good choice if aiming to 4/5/6 (and they are perfectly good grades. The coursework/practical takes the pressure off the final exam.

TheMarzipanDildo · 25/01/2023 11:51

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It’s quite rare to do only 6/7 GCSEs though isn’t it? OPs daughter is middling ability so 9 doesn’t sound too bad. I do think triple science will be a stretch, but if she doesn’t like any of the other options I suppose there’s not much choice.

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ComplexNeeds · 25/01/2023 10:25

You’ve all been amazingly helpful thank you.
The norm at their school is ten GCSEs, we are persuading the head to allow her to do 9 as they sometimes allow this for kids with extra needs. So she’ll hopefully have a ‘free’ for homework, extra learning etc. So she can’t drop another to do double science unless she replaces it with another subject and none are really interesting her.
She can’t do drama as can’t remember lines and would hate that. I’ve posted previously about drama and film studies. She can’t watch a film. Gets too distracted after just a few mins in. So we scrapped those. They don’t offer media or business. Other than food her options for a creative are art (she’s not good) or DT (she hates) or music (zero talent). She’s a great dancer/gymnast but they don’t offer gcse dance unfortunately otherwise it’d be a no brainer. So we are left with food- she does enjoy both cooking and baking so this seemed the best choice.
re triple science, 90% take it but the classes are mixed ability. They only set for maths. She’s not doing any foundation level.
Again huge thanks for everyone’s help. I think she’ll be fine if she does a lot of prep at home and we think through possible issues beforehand.

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luvit · 25/01/2023 09:19

p.s. Google and YouTube helped. We quickly learnt that some types of fish are much easier to gut than others. I think he used mackerel in the end.

Bimbleberries · 25/01/2023 09:17

Also regarding the science - if she is doing triple science, and in a class with very able pupils doing that ,will they all be automatically doing the Higher Tier? She might find that particularly difficult if she's only aiming for a 5, say. On the other hand, if it's a school where there is free choice between combined and triple science, where triple is not only done by the most able pupils but those who are interested, and there are different sets where it can be taught at a suitable pace, then it might be a very different story. Schools really vary in how they approach who does triple science and how it's organised. Some schools also timetable maths/science together sort of, and make it very difficult for some doing triple science, for example, to do foundation level maths, as they assume those doing triple science will be doing higher maths.

None of that relates directly to doing food prep GCSE, obviously, but just something to look into to gauge what her workload otherwise might be like and whether it's sensible to do both science and food prep together if they are both going to be quite time consuming or difficult for her with the theory/science elements of it.

It really might be worth looking into whether they insist that she does choose a 9th GCSE after all, or whether she could focus on eight, and choose either triple science OR food, and then have extra support in the remaining time.

luvit · 25/01/2023 09:17

ComplexNeeds · 25/01/2023 08:45

You raise good points about executive function @StrawberryMuffins that could be very tricky but I’m guessing they have 2 years to improve them. Are they allowed to take in instructions? Timers? Alarms? There’s no way she could do something like that from memory.
Huge thanks for that link @luvit super helpful!

My ds wrote and took in a very detailed list of instructions, with all tasks in the order he needed to do them, and timings against them. He used 3 font colours to represent the three dishes, to help him keep track. He also had a similarly coloured list of equipment (school will have equipment, but he had to take in specialist items like the pasta maker and presentation dishes). He was allowed to measure out ingredients in advance, so he took those in labelled tupperware boxes.

You will be able to support your daughter at home with a lot of the practice and preparation, which is good bonding time and helps them with learning organisational skills. It was a very positive experience in our house, despite a few arguments (the first time DS gutted a fish at home, it looked like there had been a massacre in the kitchen and he was almost too traumatised to try again!). 😆

Bimbleberries · 25/01/2023 09:10

If she is 5/6 on a good day, then she might really want to look again at doing triple science - there is an awful lot of content in that, and it can take up a lot of time, which then might not be easy with a practical subject that is very time consuming as well and that might need a lot of practice time at home to get all the organisational elements worked out.

Is there really nothing else she could take, if she did combined science (still doing some of biology/physics/chemistry, just not as much of each)? Do they offer business or media or drama or anything? What about an extra slot for working on maths, if she really struggles with that - some schools allow students with any sort of learning difference to do one fewer GCSE and have time in a resource centre or similar, not because they're incapable of doing the academic level needed for any specific GCSE, but just because it takes them a lot more time/energy to do the ones that they are doing, get themselves organised, etc., and having both the extra time, and slightly less exams to focus on, can make a huge difference to the ones that they do.

The food course sounds great for future life skills, actually, if it's taught well and not just assumed that the pupils pick up a lot of cooking skills at home. But I can see that it will take a lot of organisation skills, so not ideal to mix it in with a lot of other heavy or difficult courses for her.