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How to manage sports scholar demands for elite athletes

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BigSmiles34 · 10/01/2023 20:26

My DS is in year 7 of an independent school in which he is a sports scholar (partially funded). He is also an academy footballer at a good club.

The school were aware of his ongoing football activities before starting the school, although he has started a new club since attending the school.

There were no policies, specific documents given when we accepted the scholarship, although I was aware that my DS would be involved in sport- presumably football and possibly others.

There are sometimes timetable clashes with school sports and academy training and I have been trying to manage that. The expectation is generally that my DS must prioritise school games and must always attend Saturday sport.

The academy that he is attending trains 3 times a week. 1 of the days is a “day release” from school where the boys do both education and football training.

The school has refused to give permission to “day release” - either part time or full time and have not been supportive or reasonable and only seem to be interested in my son’s contribution to school games.

I feel stuck between a rock and a hard place as my DS is very concerned that he is missing out by not attending his academy programme and feels powerless.

Any advice on how to approach this would be most helpful!

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FunctionalSkills · 12/01/2023 07:49

I remember seeing gymnastics kids on a Friday afternoon at our gym. They must have negotiated the afternoon at the gym from school - as a pp said gym demands a lot of hours really young (why we left!)

I think you might need to be looking at a different school so worth moving quickly.

Ericaequites · 12/01/2023 07:42

@BigSmiles34 The school will not allow day release because it will interfere with his education. They do not accept work done under other supervision, as it may not be the same as what is expected under their teachers. When this child was accepted and offered a sports scholarship, it was implied his talents were reserved for school sports during term time.

If this boy chooses to stick with football academy, he will have to find a school that will give permission for day release before he enrolls. No man can serve two masters.

BigSmiles34 · 12/01/2023 07:26

@Ericaequites yes it is fact that most boys will not go on to be top professional footballers. Does that mean that they must drop their place in a top academy- the best place they should be in order to have any chance of succeeding? Gone are the days when boys simply choose between academics and football. It is a requirement for most football academies for boys to be in school and performing well academically to stay on at the academy and gain a scholarship there.

You may have missed the point here. This is not about choosing between education and football. It is about a good school supporting a talented child and who persuaded him to join the school because of such talents.

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ThePoint678 · 12/01/2023 05:28

I too think you should have done more research before committing to this school and its scholarship. My child is academically scholarship worthy but we turned down those schools when we realised their sports are prioritised and her outside of school sports commitment, which is her true passion, would come a distant second (which they didn’t shy away from advising). We chose a school with strong academics, which was affordable without a scholarship, and ensured releases would be provided. That may be what you need to consider too. Good luck for the meeting and I hope it works out for your son.

Ericaequites · 12/01/2023 04:46

It’s very unlikely your son will play professional football, even if on an academy. It’s even more unlikely he will be a star on high salary. The number of years he can play professional football is limited, and he would need a second career. A good education gives him a better chance for a satisfying, well paid, and long career.

The private school which granted him the sports scholarship will expect he trains and plays for the school first and foremost. They won’t grant day release which will be detrimental to his education. He can’t have both, so he will have to drop the academy if he wants to wants to stay in the school.
Scouting boys at 3 or 4 seems ridiculous. How can they know which children are talented so young?

snowtrees · 11/01/2023 23:50

@EwwSprouts for many less advantaged boys the academy system opens up private schools and prospect of wealth they can only dream of otherwise. Boys from middle class families who have wealth of other opportunities on offer are often more likely to drop away.

snowtrees · 11/01/2023 23:47

@EwwSprouts you are right and most coaches will tell you that too. But the boys academy system is so fixed in its views currently it won't change for the OP. Too much money and high stakes involved. Kids being scouted at 3/4 and unofficially signed... into development centres and U5 teams. It's not the only sport like that. Elite youth tennis is a massive number of hours and gymnastics tops the lot.

EwwSprouts · 11/01/2023 23:08

DS's friend had a football academy place. He's also a gifted all rounder. He eventually walked away from the academy in his mid teens because of the 'only football' rule. His family enjoyed skiing, he is a great cricketer etc. and he wanted to continue with all those sports too.

The academy system wants the boys to put all their eggs in one basket too early. There is a lot of research that says better sportsmen play more than one sport as children. Use different muscle sets, hand/eye etc. Andy Murray was with Rangers football team up to 15. His brother had a golf handicap of 3 at the same age.

snowtrees · 11/01/2023 22:17

More valid points! And as they hit teens they need & want just chill out time & time to be teens

chunkydoodle · 11/01/2023 18:19

Wow I'm very surprised. I'd be ringing up other private schools and explaining and asking if they can accommodate his requirements.

BigSmiles34 · 11/01/2023 17:46

@snowtrees I believe that day release is the right approach for a cat 1 academy. If my DS is to repeatedly miss this training then he will be disadvantaged and may not develop at the rate expected by the club.

Good idea. I will ask the academy for the schedule for the U13s, U14s and U15s to see what this looks like. That will help me with the conversations with the school.

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BigSmiles34 · 11/01/2023 17:42

@SycamoreMore I am so sorry to hear this. It is really sad that children can be treated this way. To have to carry out activities repeatedly against your will or without choice is counterproductive for the child.

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SycamoreMore · 11/01/2023 17:29

I have name changed for this post.

I don't have much insight to offer the OP, but I wanted to chime in with my daughter's experience. She is gifted in hockey and was selected for developmental training at age 10. We applied for a sports scholarship at a private school near us going into seniors, which she got. Accepting that scholarship was one of the biggest mistakes we made. The demands made by the school got more and more as the years progressed. Like PP, she was chosen for all the sports in the A team, and was sometimes made to play in sports that she didn't particularly have any aptitude for (swimming for example). I did expect the school to make demands on hockey, but I never expected the onslaught of all these sports.

As she got better in her club and squad, the clashes with school got worse and worse, and we were in conflict with them all the time. We tried our best to balance everything, but my daughter was exhausted from all the demands. It was the club and squad matches and training that she enjoyed, because she got a load of benefit from it. From the school, she only got a lot of hassle from the sports head, who loved pointing out how little she pulled her weight (untrue!). Her academics were tanking because she was so tired, and because she had no free time whatsoever.

Finally we gave back the scholarship. The school, of course, kept her on. But the demands from the sports department got no less. We declined most of them, but I later found out that my daughter used to hide from the sports teachers, which makes me so sad now.

The final straw was when the school put her on a team two days before the start of her GCSE. I said no way, and got a very snarky email back with an implied threat that they would be the ones writing the references to universities when the time came. I was so shocked! We had already made the decision to move her for sixth form but that email still pops up in my head on bad days.

I wish we'd never accepted the blasted thing. Her experience of the school might have been a whole load better

snowtrees · 11/01/2023 17:24

Yes @BigSmiles34 worth asking what the schedule looks like for U13/14/15
It may end up incompatible with school sports as he could end up trying to train and play every day.

BigSmiles34 · 11/01/2023 17:19

@snowtrees yes you are right, the academy did request a full schedule of my DS’s sports schedule to ensure he was not being overworked. The schedule is constantly changing at school due to football, rugby and hockey fixtures.

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WednesdaysPlaits · 11/01/2023 17:18

The academy does set work but have said that many schools like to send over their work that they would have typically done that day. The academy teachers work closely with the schools sending over progress reports, targets for attainment grades etc. I do not see how my DS could possibly be disadvantaged in terms of education, especially since the academy class has less children than his school class and more 1-2-1 opportunities.

Because they're not covering the same content at the same time.

BigSmiles34 · 11/01/2023 17:17

@gogohmm although my son’s club has changed, he still has the same football commitments. At the time of accepting the scholarship, he was not at this club and I did not have the details of day release, even though I know all academy boys do it and so this was not discussed.

As mentioned before, my son is also very academic, hence getting into this school. Education is of course important, however, I believe that kids will work best when they are happy and football makes him happy. He has been doing this since age 4 and not simply a kicking a ball on a Saturday. Training and playing at a high level and is gifted. The only time I would say enough to football is when he says he no longer wants to play.

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BigSmiles34 · 11/01/2023 17:09

@unfortunateevents my son had only ever played football, tennis leisurely with the family and a bit of tag rugby at his primary school before starting this school. He is also ran with his athletics club. He was assessed for football and tennis when and then offered the scholarship. He does not particular like rugby. Has already had his head studded quite badly. He is a very fast runner and all round athletic. As he does not get to choose what sports he participates in, it is difficult for him as they have been selecting him for all the teams. They have many teams but he is always in the top group/ “A Team”. I do worry about injuries.

The academy does set work but have said that many schools like to send over their work that they would have typically done that day. The academy teachers work closely with the schools sending over progress reports, targets for attainment grades etc. I do not see how my DS could possibly be disadvantaged in terms of education, especially since the academy class has less children than his school class and more 1-2-1 opportunities.

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snowtrees · 11/01/2023 16:48

@Tiggernpoo makes a good point on training hours. The players are often asked to report exactly what hours they do. They don't want them over training. They may do 4-5 days at the academy in a year or two and be instructed to rest on the other days.
Something else to ask OP

snowtrees · 11/01/2023 16:38

@gogohmm @RedHelenB
OP will be aware of that. Hence my comment that if he wants to continue at this Cat1 academy he'll need to do the day release. Whether we agree with day release or not, that's the reality of Cat1 academy football at age 11.

RedHelenB · 11/01/2023 16:23

Bear in mind, your son could be kicked out of the football academy at any time. If he's happy at this school this would be my priority, hobbies cone second

gogohmm · 11/01/2023 16:22

You say he's changed club, does this mean his commitments increased? Did you explicitly tell them about day release or lack of availability for school sports?

I think you may need to make decisions. I personally wouldn't be comfortable with any sports activity that requires frequent day release from school either - his education is so much more important at this stage, there's no guarantees with sports ever being a job!

unfortunateevents · 11/01/2023 16:18

How does your DS feel about all this sport? It sounds like football is his passion but he is also expected to play rugby, cricket and hockey at school too? When does the poor kid ever get a break? And apart from that, surely so much sport (particularly rugby) must be increasing his risk of injury, preventing him from fulfilling his football obligations? It sounds as if the school are not going to budge on their stance and that there are two different issues - one being that they have given the scholarship in the expectation that while they will "support" the academy football they expect that school sport will come first; the second, that even if your DS isn't a sports scholar they may still refuse the day release. You mentioned that some of the work on his day release would be pre-prepared by the school - that's not an obligation on them and his teachers may feel they have enough to do without adding that on to their workload.

snowtrees · 11/01/2023 16:15

Whether he is allowed to play rugby would be an academy decision.
Some don't allow skiing or skateboarding.

snowtrees · 11/01/2023 16:13

I think the lads can play for schools but defo not grassroots. But that's where academies may differ. I know Cat1 boys that do play and have played for primary school team. But all Man City boys go to one private school (fees paid) but part of that arrangement is that they can not represent the school.
Otherwise said school would be unbeatable and also matches would clash

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