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SW London Private & Grammar - applying for year 7 in 2023 (Part III)

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QuiteAJourney · 09/01/2023 18:58

Continuation from

www.mumsnet.com/talk/secondary/4697901-sw-london-private-grammar-applying-for-year-7-in-2023-part-ii?page=40&reply=122947087

An opportunity for parents of DC applying to private and grammar schools in SW London for entry in year 7 in 2023 to share their journeys.

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QuiteAJourney · 19/01/2023 08:06

PreplexJ · 19/01/2023 08:00

@QuiteAJourney "experience during admissions process, etc, play a role."

Want to know others thoughts on how you take the exam / interview context and process experience in your decision for school preference.

I do think schools exam/interview format and content kind of reflect the emphasis on quality of the candidates they are looking for. But I'm still not sure how important to base on that to determine DD is fit for a particular school.

Even at a more basic level, whether your DC has been treated like a number or like a person is key! If I school cannot bother when they are trying to "attract" you, it does not bear well if/your DC joins the school.

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QuiteAJourney · 19/01/2023 08:01

Redapples81 · 19/01/2023 07:24

@QuiteAJourney no, of course, I wasn’t being entirely serious! But I think it might be fair to say, it ranks pretty highly on many peoples wish list. I suspect they don’t use their WL much.

I am not that familiar with the school but I think that the girls that get an offer from it may also be getting offers from other schools with similar academic standing (or superior), closer and/or with better facilities/outdoor space. The figures quoted above seem to indicate that. I think that even for quite competitive schools offers end up being (initially or via waiting list) close to double (or above) the actual places.

I agree that the offers to places ratio is very difficult to guess - looking at prep offers / acceptance gives an indication but it is never exhaustive, and there is no data for state acceptance ratios. That is why the secrecy of some schools is so frustrating.

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PreplexJ · 19/01/2023 08:00

@QuiteAJourney "experience during admissions process, etc, play a role."

Want to know others thoughts on how you take the exam / interview context and process experience in your decision for school preference.

I do think schools exam/interview format and content kind of reflect the emphasis on quality of the candidates they are looking for. But I'm still not sure how important to base on that to determine DD is fit for a particular school.

cerealchange · 19/01/2023 07:59

PreplexJ · 19/01/2023 00:02

@elevenplusmum22 I know some counter examples, during lockdown some middle class state school families actually get more time to fully onboard 11+ prep (online or homeschooling ) as they think the normal y4 and y5 in state school classroom is waste of time anyway...

As a result some of the state students more competitive in the process....

This was us with older DC who was going through the process at the time. He ended up with offers from very academic schools. Because I kept him busy by giving him more work when the schoolwork ran out by 10.30am as I had a full time job. I took reasonably frequent breaks to help him go through ones he got wrong and marked for him in the evenings. His state primary hadn't even realised he was academic. His yr 5 teacher clearly didn't even know him. They did not support applications though as the head was anti private. We managed to get references from his yr 6 teacher as head would not do it, We moved dd at the same time as didn't want the same experience for her. However lockdown definitely helped dc1 and he would be at his local comp if it wasn't for that time

Redapples81 · 19/01/2023 07:47

Mine had to talk about one. But hers was last week so they probably had different qs.

Redapples81 · 19/01/2023 07:46

Workhar · 19/01/2023 07:43

Thank you. It truly is impressive. I meant that there is no way of knowing the offer to acceptance ratio of state school students.

@Workhar I imagine that the state school offer to acceptance rates might well be higher.
who knows. Trying to second guess whether one is going to get an offer is painful. Just hope we get something.

FriendlyMom · 19/01/2023 07:46

@Workhar "Did CLSG ask everyone to differentiate between 2 posters yesterday?"

Two pictures, yes.

QuiteAJourney · 19/01/2023 07:43

@Mamabear12 Emanuel is and has been for the last years, 50/50 in state/prep intake. It was publicly mentioned at the open day.

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Workhar · 19/01/2023 07:43

PreplexJ · 19/01/2023 07:37

@Workhar "there is no way of knowing the intake from state schools."

in open day CLSG mentioned 40% state and 20% on bursaries. One of the highest schools in London I believe..

Thank you. It truly is impressive. I meant that there is no way of knowing the offer to acceptance ratio of state school students.

Workhar · 19/01/2023 07:41

FriendlyMom · 19/01/2023 07:33

I know that distance is the main factor for CLSG to not be top of the list for prep school girls in our area.

Distance & the fear of depending on underground & trains (atleast in the current scenario). I know some of my friends prefer suburban schools or at least schools in a family friendly area. It all boils down to personal choice I guess.

Did CLSG ask everyone to differentiate between 2 posters yesterday?

Redapples81 · 19/01/2023 07:39

FriendlyMom · 19/01/2023 07:33

I know that distance is the main factor for CLSG to not be top of the list for prep school girls in our area.

Ah! Yes, of course, good to know. Thank you.

PreplexJ · 19/01/2023 07:37

@Workhar "there is no way of knowing the intake from state schools."

in open day CLSG mentioned 40% state and 20% on bursaries. One of the highest schools in London I believe..

FriendlyMom · 19/01/2023 07:33

I know that distance is the main factor for CLSG to not be top of the list for prep school girls in our area.

Mamabear12 · 19/01/2023 07:32

Workhar · 19/01/2023 07:28

when I look at the websites of popular preps (the ones I know of), for both CLSG & G&L, I see numbers like 12 offers - 3 accepted. I agree that because of my limited knowledge, my sample set may not be very accurate. It’s completely possible that I am missing out on seeing the data of real feeder preps to a school and there is no way of knowing the intake from state schools.

Interesting. I never thought to look at other schools secondary offers and acceptances. Going to do that today!

Mamabear12 · 19/01/2023 07:30

PreplexJ · 19/01/2023 07:23

I don't know why but it is just a objective observations based on published number from a few prep schools (you can check on prep school websites)

I guess competition is high in the overlapped London postcode catchment between LU GL SPGS NLCS SHHS FHSS and etc

CLSG is very urban and limited open space may be another factor.

And I don't know if the high proportion of state school also a negative factor for some parents too..

Interesting. One private school parent I know made a comment about Emanuel being state school heavy as well. Do you know if that is the case?

Workhar · 19/01/2023 07:28

Mamabear12 · 19/01/2023 07:18

Why do you think prep school acceptance rate is not high?

when I look at the websites of popular preps (the ones I know of), for both CLSG & G&L, I see numbers like 12 offers - 3 accepted. I agree that because of my limited knowledge, my sample set may not be very accurate. It’s completely possible that I am missing out on seeing the data of real feeder preps to a school and there is no way of knowing the intake from state schools.

PreplexJ · 19/01/2023 07:26

@FriendlyMom yes the map is the girls already in the school (see most of them are from the proper London postcode areas)

In terms of historical offered and acceptance number you have to go to individual prep school website to find out.

Redapples81 · 19/01/2023 07:24

@QuiteAJourney no, of course, I wasn’t being entirely serious! But I think it might be fair to say, it ranks pretty highly on many peoples wish list. I suspect they don’t use their WL much.

PreplexJ · 19/01/2023 07:23

Mamabear12 · 19/01/2023 07:18

Why do you think prep school acceptance rate is not high?

I don't know why but it is just a objective observations based on published number from a few prep schools (you can check on prep school websites)

I guess competition is high in the overlapped London postcode catchment between LU GL SPGS NLCS SHHS FHSS and etc

CLSG is very urban and limited open space may be another factor.

And I don't know if the high proportion of state school also a negative factor for some parents too..

FriendlyMom · 19/01/2023 07:22

PreplexJ · 19/01/2023 07:13

@FriendlyMom yes nw and n postcode is the largest group (190 and 183?) but historically prep school accept rate is not high even offered..

Unless I got it wrong, my impression was that the map showed the girls who have accepted the places and are already at City, not the offer places.

@Redapples81 100 places.
@Mamabear12 my dd had her interview early in the morning yesterday, coldest day ever, felt like. The email said "doors do not open before xx hour". we came 20 min earlier to avoid traffic and I was dreading how she will sit in the cold and freeze. There was a nice lady outside 20 min before doors opened - welcomed my daughter with a smile - really started our day off great! What more can I say!

QuiteAJourney · 19/01/2023 07:19

@Redapples81 i think that it is safe to say that no school is everybody's first choice.

Even SPGS, I am sure, gets rejections - factors like distance, personality fit, scholarships offered by other schools, experience during admissions process, etc, play a role.

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Mamabear12 · 19/01/2023 07:18

PreplexJ · 19/01/2023 07:13

@FriendlyMom yes nw and n postcode is the largest group (190 and 183?) but historically prep school accept rate is not high even offered..

Why do you think prep school acceptance rate is not high?

Mamabear12 · 19/01/2023 07:18

FriendlyMom · 19/01/2023 07:14

@Mamabear12 we had the same vibe at PHS. And CLSG as well, actually! The staff was very helpful and attentive and all the teachers (the staff lady said they were "senior staff who came to interview specifically for the day) were all smiling and very kind to the girls, setting them at ease.

I really liked that about Putney. They did a great job with making sure the dc and parents felt comfortable and at ease.

Redapples81 · 19/01/2023 07:15

@PreplexJ @FriendlyMom I didn’t realise that there were 100 places so that is better than the 75 I assumed. I would have thought City was everyone’s first choice or have I got this wrong? Hope so!!!

FriendlyMom · 19/01/2023 07:14

@Mamabear12 we had the same vibe at PHS. And CLSG as well, actually! The staff was very helpful and attentive and all the teachers (the staff lady said they were "senior staff who came to interview specifically for the day) were all smiling and very kind to the girls, setting them at ease.