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AI chatbot doing kids' homework for them - undetectable

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noblegiraffe · 31/12/2022 01:27

The robot apocalypse is upon us - an AI can now produce essays that cannot be picked up by plagiarism software. The Telegraph is breathlessly reporting that teachers are begging the government to solve the problem.

I've been playing around with the AI, and it is, indeed, impressive. It can produce perfectly reasonable essays in response to exam questions, in whatever style that you request; and not just essays, it can answer maths and science questions (and indeed any subject) with step by step explanations

Should teachers be worried? Probably. My DS reports that he has already heard of kids using it to do their homework.

How can we combat this?

Well, for English and humanities teachers, I would advise that you make an account and chat with the AI yourself. Feed it questions, see what it comes up with. It does come up with different answers each time you ask, but with strong similarities. If you feed your essay question in enough times, in enough ways, you should be able to spot AI generated answers.

The other solution is to only bother marking work that the students have produced in class, in test conditions - this is a policy I've had as a maths teacher for years. As a correct answer is a correct answer, who knows if it was produced by the pupil, their tutor, their parents, or the kid they hang out with at break time?

Parents: Try to encourage your kids not to cheat as in the end the AI can't sit their exams for them.

The software won't be free forever. But who knows what is coming next?

chat.openai.com/chat

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ZestFest · 02/01/2023 17:08

I would definitely know at Secondary English level whether students were using outside sources, because I'm very familiar with their style, vocab, ability, grammar quirks etc. At university level though, when you don't have such a close personal relationship with your students - then it could be problematic.

abitsharp · 02/01/2023 17:03

I'm a teacher but don't particularly see an issue with this. In my subject students are predominantly assessed by exams anyway. The impact will be that rather than set essays for homework I will
ask them to do then handwritten in timed conditions in class and for homework set other tasks- learning/shorter revision tasks/wider reading and précis etc

igglo · 02/01/2023 16:56

Has anyone spotted whether it produces more American of British English?

CertainFun · 02/01/2023 13:20

That AI chat style sounds exactly like one of the mums on the Whats App group I'm on for my dc's 😱. Only with 1000 emojis added. Such an irritating tone.

Piggywaspushed · 02/01/2023 12:53

Obviously the NO SPIOLERS was a deliberate typo...

Piggywaspushed · 02/01/2023 12:52

Ah no. That doesn't say NO SPIOLERS. !

Very funny, though...

noblegiraffe · 02/01/2023 12:48

Not always needed!

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Piggywaspushed · 02/01/2023 12:30

The one tell with the MN posts is that it doesn't do DH , DP , MIL , DS1.

11BY · 02/01/2023 12:05

noblegiraffe · 31/12/2022 12:57

I asked it to write a typical MN post and it came up with

"Hi everyone,

I'm just wondering if anyone has any experience with potty training their toddler? My little one is 2 and a half and I'm not sure if he's ready to start the process. He shows some interest in the potty but then gets scared and refuses to sit on it. Any tips or advice would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks in advance."

Then I asked for a typical angry MN post and it said

"Warning: Rant Ahead!

I am so fed up with my partner. He constantly leaves his dirty clothes all over the floor and expects me to pick them up. I work full-time and come home to a mess every single day. And when I ask him to pick them up, he just says "I'll do it later" and then never does.

I'm tired of being the only one who seems to care about keeping our house clean and organized. It's not like I'm asking for a 5-star hotel, just a bit of common decency and respect for our home.

Why is it that men seem to think it's okay to just dump their stuff wherever they please and expect someone else to clean up after them? I'm at my wit's end and don't know how to get through to him. Any advice on how to deal with a lazy and inconsiderate partner would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks for letting me vent."

Tbf it's not allowed to swear, but they're not bad.

Oh! Hahaha! That's impressive and worrying.

noblegiraffe · 02/01/2023 12:03

What about KS3 homework tasks?

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Magpiecomplex · 02/01/2023 12:02

I agree, @Postapocalypticcowgirl having tried a few of my level 3 BTEC briefs it might scrape a weak pass but nothing more. Falls down completely on anything requiring evaluation or critical thinking, which isn't surprising really.

noblegiraffe · 02/01/2023 08:49

I asked it what databases it was trained on and it said various texts, scientific papers, online encyclopaedias and so on.

I then asked if it was trained on IMDB and it said it didn't know the specifics. Might be interesting to google the cast list and see if you can find where this incorrect info came from!

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Piggywaspushed · 02/01/2023 07:57

Someone on Twitter was interested in me saying it couldn't do films so asked for a character list from Doctor Zhivago, the film. It literally made some up!! It would appear Wikipedia is more reliable...

sashh · 02/01/2023 03:31

Can I also point out 'coursework' doesn't always mean writing. I like to have a range of assignments, if I have the resources eg for health and safety if I have a 'clinical room' or similar then I can make a disaster zone and a tick sheet, the student comes in and identifies the hazards they can see in 5 mins.

I just tick off what they have noticed.

@Ridelikethewindypops

There was also the 'building regulations' section from a different student describing 'ventilation' - which it did but they should have been writing about lung function.

The student I wrote, "try not to use American resources" the student complained that she hadn't used any US resources. I pointed out the writing she had dome about, "The Americans with disabilities Act".

My favorite of all time was that 'dogs have rabbis.

Lougle · 01/01/2023 18:11

ittakes2 · 01/01/2023 08:01

I have adhd - unfort developing a 2000 word essay overnight is a common adhd trait as we leave things to last minute and the pressure allows us to trigger our ability to hyperfocus. So please don’t consider that as the only criteria to suspect someone has cheated.

I strongly suspect I'm ND. My record at uni was walking into the library at 09.00, grabbing some books off the shelf, firing up the computer and handing in my essay a 14.00. Got a high 2:1 for it (back in the day that we had dial up internet and journals were all in print!)

Postapocalypticcowgirl · 01/01/2023 17:55

TeenDivided · 01/01/2023 17:44

What was coursework in maths? I can't even imagine how that would work!

I did some stats based coursework for my maths GCSE. I think we analysed football scores? It was fairly meaningless to be honest.

BTW, for those mentioning it, coursework isn't really used at GCSE/A-level any more with a few exceptions. IMO, the current system isn't really producing students suited to further study.

TeenDivided · 01/01/2023 17:54

What was to stop an interested parent talking this through with their child at home?
I presume the answer is nothing. Just like for science practicals a parents could talk through possible improvements or whatever, or for creative writing they could read a draft and suggest improvements.

noblegiraffe · 01/01/2023 17:51

TeenDivided · 01/01/2023 17:44

What was coursework in maths? I can't even imagine how that would work!

This was one I had the misfortune of dragging kids through. Foundation and Higher.

Two weeks, kids. Off you go! No I can't tell you what to do next. No, you haven't finished, we've got another two weeks of this.

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borntobequiet · 01/01/2023 17:48

TeenDivided · 01/01/2023 17:44

What was coursework in maths? I can't even imagine how that would work!

Open ended investigations. I rather liked it, and thought it benefited students who liked a bit more time to think about things.

TeenDivided · 01/01/2023 17:44

What was coursework in maths? I can't even imagine how that would work!

TeenDivided · 01/01/2023 17:44

The best system for both my DDs would have been vivas where they could be prompted 'tell me more' & 'explain why' to tease out their knowledge. Both old and new style GCSEs have their drawbacks for them.

noblegiraffe · 01/01/2023 17:27

And now we’re using offensive language? Confused

“Disabilities/SEN” covers a vast range of conditions and to suggest that all pupils with either would benefit from coursework over exams is a vast generalisation.

Obviously access arrangements can also be applied for if a student is disadvantaged in exams due to SEN/disability.

I’m not saying that there won’t be some kids with SEND who would do better on coursework, but to suggest that someone who thinks that coursework should be scrapped (as it already has been in many subjects) simply doesn’t give a shit about SEND kids is hugely unfair.

Coursework in maths, for example, was complete bollocks.

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Deathclaw · 01/01/2023 17:21

I've just asked it a few questions about trans rights.

It absolutely cannot be swayed from an 1000% backing of even some of the more bizarre TRA demands, including men self identifying into women's prisons.

Legacy · 01/01/2023 17:21

NewNovember · 01/01/2023 17:04

@Itsbiasedhere I would like to go back to when nobody gave a shit about pupils with SEN /disabilities.
There you go I rewrote your post for you no AI needed.

I tend to agree with you @NewNovember !

The obsession with memorising and regurgitating information under pressurised conditions proves nothing about a student's ability and is largely irrelevant in today's workplace anyway.

My dyslexic DS is by far the brightest, most brilliant member of our family in all sorts of ways, but would have been dismissed as a rt*d in the 60s and 70s and likely left school without a single qualification.

noblegiraffe · 01/01/2023 17:06

That’s rather unnecessary and a bit of a leap.

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