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Secondary education wobbles - I need some Mumsnet stabilisers

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wednesdaynamesep · 05/12/2022 11:08

DC1 will be starting secondary school next year. We live in an area with a reasonably good state high school, but several parents are deciding to send their children to private school instead. It means I’m being subjected to tactless conversations about how crap the state school is, and all the so-called issues with it, which I know is necessary for them to justify their own choices. I am also aware that these parents also all have other things in common too: objections to neuro-diverse children in their kids classes; complaining about not enough homework being given to kids; general views on education that I think seem very old-fashioned.

However, despite knowing this, the criticisms are getting to me and I’m now worrying about DC1 to the point it’s costing me sleep. The state school our DC will go to is among the top 10 in the three constituencies close to us. But it is a catchment area which mixes kids from higher earning families and ‘riff-raff’ as one of the mothers revoltingly said (she was talking about the poverty in the area). Whenever I quietly think through my views on state vs private, I feel confident that state would be best, over-all, for my DC. But my confidence slips every single time I bump into another person’s endless stream of negativity.

I say nothing in response to all of their comments, because I know anything I say will be interpreted as defensive or sour-grapes. (If pushed, we could afford private, but it would be very tough).

DH and I have had endless conversations, and we’re sticking to our state-school choice, but I feel I need to find a way to reassure myself that, come what may, this will work for our children, and even MAKE it work for them if necessary.

My plan of action

  1. Avoid these parents (difficult because they are DC1s friends)
  2. Identify families similar to DH and I who send their kids to this school and ask how their children are getting on
  3. Research the school more (so far, the biggest ‘objection’ I can find is that not all the children come from high achieving wealthy families)
  4. Speak to primary school teachers who have sent their own children there

Then

  1. Come onto Mumsnet and ask mothers how they support their kids' secondary education. DH and I are feeling we need to spend time every week checking on our chikdren's education, helping them if need be etc. Problem is, even now at Primary school, I don’t actually know what they’re doing in class, and asking them doesn’t help at all either. Also, my kids get very grumpy when I push them wrt homework or doing a bit extra when they’re stuck on something.

So, how do you do it? How do you keep tabs on what they’re doing and where they need help. How do you motivate them? I’d massively value your tips and strategies.

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JassyRadlett · 11/12/2022 00:06

This is a really useful thread, thanks OP. We've made a similar choice - we'd originally planned private but the costs have just mounted too much, plus also he was so much happier with the feel of the comp and I feel he'll have more chances to shine.

But it's tough - a number of my closest friends are very wealthy and putting their kids through private without financial stress, and spend half their time complaining about the holidays and the amount of extra-curricular stuff their kids do through school. And then all the chat of entrance exams, people justifying their choices, etc etc. Fortunately no one as rude as you've encountered but it's tricky to navigate.

Thanks to all who've shared their advice and experiences on this thread!

Feetache · 10/12/2022 23:44

I found that the final terms of Yr6 you can give your DC much more independence & avoid school gates and talk of it all. I feel smug that I'm getting my DCs a great education for free whilst others get themselves into a frenzy over tutors and private schools.

Circleoffifths · 10/12/2022 18:53

You are in the eye of the storm now OP. Once your DCs are secondary you’ll find you have much less contact with the parents of your DC’s new friends and also the parents from primary. Just smile and nod for the time being. My eldest is now applying for 6th form and coffees/nights out with the old primary parents gang I am transported back to the bad old days of school application talk. But it’s a bit different now because they are all interested in different A-level subjects so the comparisons are less obvious.

Batsintheorangery · 10/12/2022 18:08

My point is not whether you know her mother. My point is that there are very accomplished people who went to the schools you are snootily dismissing.

TizerorFizz · 10/12/2022 16:45

Oh goodness me! I don’t know her mum! I said people we knew. ????

Batsintheorangery · 10/12/2022 15:44

TizerorFizz · 07/12/2022 17:48

When I bump into DDs friends who went to grammar school, I tend to find they didn’t do
much with their degrees. They have jobs but nothing special. My DD was independently educated and has done better than all of them. They have been to great universities but my money bought something extra. So I compute too. But it’s in my favour mostly.

Didn't Amal Clooney go to one of those grammars of which you are so dismissive@TizerorFizz? She is only one of the top human rights barristers in the world. Nothing special eh!

Geville · 09/12/2022 15:59

wednesdaynamesep · 08/12/2022 14:30

@Geville

Well you are on of the very very few who has some compassion and understanding.

But would I think the way I do if I didn’t actually know ND children? I can’t honestly say I would. I would certainly know from my liberal progressive left-leaning blah blah tendencies that I should do better, and I would certainly try. But would I feel it in my bones the way my children and their friends have shown me to? I honestly don’t know.

We never encountered anyone like you at the school my children attended.

I believe you. My friends have had some distressing experiences. I should point out that I'm not sure I was a compassionate child though. Certainly not the day my dad caught me and my friends.

And there is no one like you at the private school my DC attend either.

This doesn’t surprise me really. As I said in my OP (I think) the people I’m referring to who contemplate private are the same people who think ND kids like F shouldn’t be in mainstream schools, and that poor people are 'riff raff'. So I’m afraid, there’s certainly a small group of parents like this heading to our nearest private school. And I do think their kids will pick up their views and carry them into the school too.

My children never ever talk about the ND kids at our school. But if you listened to these parents, the ND kids are undermining their children’s education and affecting them in class. I am willing to bet that when precious possum gets in the car, the first question is probably, ‘Did F do anything today?’ And the child learns to feed that interest and acquires negative views. That’s my hypothesis, anyway, and why I try to keep my mouth shut.

The same level of deviousness exists it seems, wherever either of them go. There are some very damaged children out there and they hone in and find my kids and seem to enjoy bullying them. They must get something out of it as they don't stop. Unless they are caught. And then they find other underhand ways to carry it on.

This is heartbreaking and terrifying. Do you know if the school addresses this with the bullies parents? I ask because I have a suspicion our school tries to manage it in the school when I sometimes think parents need to be called in and told in no uncertain terms that that won’t be tolerated.

*These children exist at private school and state school. I have seen them in both settings.

If I could find a kind school, with genuinely kind people, I'd send my children there, in a heartbeat. Private or state. It wouldn't matter. It's just human decency that counts. But when you've got ASD, no one cares.

The fact that most, if not all, ASD adults have C-PTSD says it all. Rejection after rejection after rejection means it's impossible to function 'normally' or trust anyone.*

I can totally understand how this happens. It’s devastating. I’m so sorry you’re experiencing this.

Thank you for your understanding. It seems like you are one of the extremely rare people who understand.

There are so few, and they are always the ones with children who are ND or have relatives who are ND and therefore know the extreme toll it takes on the whole family.

People looking in on my life think I have it all. Nice house, two kids, private school, husband who earns "enough".

But they have no idea the impact that ND has on our mental and physical health, the extent to which my life has been turned upside and inside out through having two children who have ASD. I am traumatised by proxy through my children's never-ending heart-breaks.

All the milestones you hoped for - playdates, birthday parties, sleepovers, best friends, in the future boyfriends or girlfriends, parties, holidays abroad with friends etc - they're all obliterated and instead it's through all their schooling it's never ending phone calls to the school or to professionals to help you find out what you can do to ease even slightly their very very difficult passage through life.

And it never stops. It. Never. Stops. And you think for one moment something positive is happening - and poof - it's evaporated in a second because someone NT decided to get involved and it only takes one devious NT to play a ND into some very nasty nightmarish corners.

Sorry, I'm having hard time at the moment but parents with NT children - for the most part - have absolutely ZERO idea the trauma within the family setting of ND children and families. Studies have shown that Mums of autistic children experience almost the same levels of anxiety and stress as Mums of soldiers who are battling in a war zone.

So if any NT parent is reading this -please include the ND kid, please ask your NT child to be aware and be kind. One kind word or phrase in a day can make the ND happy for a week.

An invitation to party, to be included - that makes things for months.

sheepdogdelight · 09/12/2022 09:02

42isthemeaning · 08/12/2022 21:28

I teach in an independent.
Let's just say your friends are going to be in for a shock if they don't like neurodiverse children in their dc's classes.
We have many ND dc and the school is richer for it.

I suspect the OP's friends don't have an issue with ND children per se but only to the ones who display disruptive behaviour in the classroom.

I'd be surprised if they had issues with the child with high functioning autism who sits quietly in the classroom and gets on with his work, whilst having meltdowns at home (this is my nephew who is at a private school).

And private schools are generally not keen on the first type of children, whilst being quite happy with the second.

42isthemeaning · 08/12/2022 21:28

I teach in an independent.
Let's just say your friends are going to be in for a shock if they don't like neurodiverse children in their dc's classes.
We have many ND dc and the school is richer for it.

Cheeseandhoney · 08/12/2022 21:12

That sounds,so hard for you op, especially when you know you’re making a better choice by state educating your kids that those privately educating theirs, I’ve read your reasons for state, and you’re so making the right choice. I can’t fathom why they are doing their kids such a disservice. You need to just accept that you’re making rhe better choice and your kids will be better off for it. And feel sorry for them in their ignorance making such poor educational choices,

WhatHappenedToYoyos · 08/12/2022 21:06

A fair number of people on my degree course came from private education. My DH was also privately educated. None of us are better than the other - we've ended with the same degrees in the same job and pay scale (teachers) but I was state educated.

Don't get me wrong, they were probably taught in smaller classes and had better opportunities presented to them due to their private education (i.e. extra curricular clubs and trips). They just happened to choose the same career that I did from my state school. The money spent on their education certainly wasn't wasted but it doesn't guarantee a high flying, high paying or even a satisfying career later down the line. I think there is often a misconception that a private education will result in doctors, dentists, scientists, lawyers...

I can absolutely say the (state educated) teenagers that I teach who are supported at home with homework and things like reading are the ones who thrive.

EastLondonObserver · 08/12/2022 20:30

TizerorFizz · 08/12/2022 18:02

@EastLondonObserver

I am using the definitions the parents used at 11. They thought the grammar would turn Dc into high earning professional people. Like themselves. They were an exclusive self selecting group. They talked about ambition a lot. For many Dc, i am not making the definitions. The parents did. They were people like management consultants, surgeons, BBC executives, and similar. They are high achievers and thought DC would be too. Years of tuition to get the 11 plus because failure was out of the question. They might not have said “riff raff” but no child from a Council estate ever went near their homes!

We left them to it. Their choice. It wasn’t ours.

So your view of ‘success’ is entirely defined by a parent’s view of what a child should achieve, rather than the child’s wishes themselves. Perhaps the kids are happy not being surgeons - it’s a relatively well paid but rather stressful job. And the BBC’s market share is being eroded by streaming services and social media - perhaps some of those ‘office jobs’ you deride are in new and growing areas.

And you think it would have all been different if only these silly parents had sent their kids not to a grammar, but whatever private school you paid for?

Sadly this thread - and in particular your contributions - has confirmed all my worst stereotypical visions of private school fetishising parents.

TizerorFizz · 08/12/2022 18:02

@EastLondonObserver

I am using the definitions the parents used at 11. They thought the grammar would turn Dc into high earning professional people. Like themselves. They were an exclusive self selecting group. They talked about ambition a lot. For many Dc, i am not making the definitions. The parents did. They were people like management consultants, surgeons, BBC executives, and similar. They are high achievers and thought DC would be too. Years of tuition to get the 11 plus because failure was out of the question. They might not have said “riff raff” but no child from a Council estate ever went near their homes!

We left them to it. Their choice. It wasn’t ours.

TizerorFizz · 08/12/2022 17:52

You really have no idea what Dc turn out like. It’s just supposition and dislike of private schools. Parents support their Dc in choices regardless of educational choices. I don’t understand why you worry about other parents. In just over 6 months they will be history.

wednesdaynamesep · 08/12/2022 14:30

@Geville

Well you are on of the very very few who has some compassion and understanding.

But would I think the way I do if I didn’t actually know ND children? I can’t honestly say I would. I would certainly know from my liberal progressive left-leaning blah blah tendencies that I should do better, and I would certainly try. But would I feel it in my bones the way my children and their friends have shown me to? I honestly don’t know.

We never encountered anyone like you at the school my children attended.

I believe you. My friends have had some distressing experiences. I should point out that I'm not sure I was a compassionate child though. Certainly not the day my dad caught me and my friends.

And there is no one like you at the private school my DC attend either.

This doesn’t surprise me really. As I said in my OP (I think) the people I’m referring to who contemplate private are the same people who think ND kids like F shouldn’t be in mainstream schools, and that poor people are 'riff raff'. So I’m afraid, there’s certainly a small group of parents like this heading to our nearest private school. And I do think their kids will pick up their views and carry them into the school too.

My children never ever talk about the ND kids at our school. But if you listened to these parents, the ND kids are undermining their children’s education and affecting them in class. I am willing to bet that when precious possum gets in the car, the first question is probably, ‘Did F do anything today?’ And the child learns to feed that interest and acquires negative views. That’s my hypothesis, anyway, and why I try to keep my mouth shut.

The same level of deviousness exists it seems, wherever either of them go. There are some very damaged children out there and they hone in and find my kids and seem to enjoy bullying them. They must get something out of it as they don't stop. Unless they are caught. And then they find other underhand ways to carry it on.

This is heartbreaking and terrifying. Do you know if the school addresses this with the bullies parents? I ask because I have a suspicion our school tries to manage it in the school when I sometimes think parents need to be called in and told in no uncertain terms that that won’t be tolerated.

*These children exist at private school and state school. I have seen them in both settings.

If I could find a kind school, with genuinely kind people, I'd send my children there, in a heartbeat. Private or state. It wouldn't matter. It's just human decency that counts. But when you've got ASD, no one cares.

The fact that most, if not all, ASD adults have C-PTSD says it all. Rejection after rejection after rejection means it's impossible to function 'normally' or trust anyone.*

I can totally understand how this happens. It’s devastating. I’m so sorry you’re experiencing this.

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EastLondonObserver · 08/12/2022 14:10

TizerorFizz · 08/12/2022 13:38

@wednesdaynamesep
I think you started this thread just to get a reaction! You don’t like private schools or these parents. Just avoid them. We make Choices to suit ourselves and our budgets. It’s that simple. You will find lots of people you do not care for in life. Seem out the ones like you!

I merely pointed out that parents who paid for years of tuition to get a grammar place, completely trashed the local secondary outside the school, still ended up with not overly successful Dc. Not what they aimed for at 11 most certainly! The Dc took control of their own lives, as the Dc in your school will do. I’d just get on with yours.

How do you define “success”?

You seem to be using very narrow and outdated criteria: member of a ‘profession’ and high-ish pay packet (although there are many jobs that pay more than being a family barrister).

Riskofbeingsued · 08/12/2022 14:05

Sadly I think your experience is probably not because it's a state school but just because it's a good school.
My children had the exact same experience in terms of disability / ethnicity etc in their primary school. Two other local primary schools in the same town were utterly different (even to the point of suggesting "our" school to anyone who approached them to consider accepting their child with an EHCP). And some of the children who went to those schools really clearly have never experienced real diversity in all its forms.
My children go to a state secondary and I'm confident that the majority are still lovely and the overall experience of the school is accepting and inclusive (there are a few parents who clearly aren't like that) but I do also have friends whose children are at indies who report a similar experience (though I also know children from indies which sound unbelievably toxic and awful. I don't know any state schools like that but am in an area where most state schools are pretty good).
I think leadership of schools count for a lot (lots more than people think) and so any type of school can be inclusive and welcoming and any type can be toxic and demeaning - but if course state schools are more likely to have a wider range of "types" of people and therefore more opportunities to see good practice.

wednesdaynamesep · 08/12/2022 13:55

@TizerorFizz I obviously hit a nerve, which is a good sign.

You've been inferring a lot of stuff that hasn't actually been said, and you've passed unjustified criticisms based on your inferences. Most have have just let it slide, I suspect because your defensiveness is both obvious and revealing.

I simply called you out on things you actually did say.

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Geville · 08/12/2022 13:48

wednesdaynamesep · 08/12/2022 12:45

@Geville - Take two on the reply I wanted to send. I'm sorry, it turned into an essay.

By complete coincidence, my three closest friends each have children who are ND - four children in total (I’ll refer to them as A, B, C and D). And I have another friend who is currently not talking to me because I gently suggested her DD might be ND and she didn’t appreciate the intervention at all (I’ll call this child E). And DS has another ND child in his class (F). This coincidence has made me think ND is way more common than most appreciate.

Against this backdrop, I have my own childhood, where I grew up with a child who had severe learning disabilities, communication problems, health issues and physical disabilities. We didn’t know him very well because he was sent to a ‘special school’ at a very young age, but he’d be back during school holidays. But I have a vivid memory of a group of us being told off in no uncertain terms, by my father, when he caught us crowding around this child and mimicking him, mocking him, and he was cowering terrified away from us. We were probably about 6 years old, but I do remember feeling incredible shame. Today though, I wonder whether that sense of shame was because I understood WHY what I’d done was wrong, or because I knew I’d disappointed my father.

My son, now a little older than I was at that time, is best friends with A. They sit together in class, play together at school, and DS goes on play dates to his house. The first play date did not go well. DS accidentally hit A when they were both throwing things at each other, and A spectacularly lost it. It really really scared DS, and he cried and was shaking and just wanted to go home because “everyone hates me and thinks I’m bad”. So one of the toughest steps I had to face up to- personally - was allowing DS to go on unaccompanied playdates to A’s house in case this happened again (A won’t come to our house). I also had this massive dilemma over whether I needed to sit DS down and explain how A sometimes did things differently in advance, so I could protect him. But A didn’t have a diagnosis at that stage, and I was fearful of making DS anticipate events / behaviour and make it an issue when it might not be - essentially putting ideas into his head.

In the end I said nothing to him, kept it light and casual, but I did ask A’s mum to phone me if I needed to come fetch DS. There have been other issues, but A’s parents are very alive to it, and they manage it in a way that DS appreciates. E.g. A is allowed time in his room away from everyone and they step in and play with DS until A is ready to re-join. I’ve never had to fetch him, and he always looks forward to play dates.

Then A got his diagnosis. DS came home full of chat about it, explaining it all to me as A had explained it to him, using unfiltered inappropriate child language. A told DS that his type of ND is different to F’s (the child in his class). According to DS, A’s is mainly about school work while F sometimes goes ‘cuckoo la-la mental’ - and yes, we did talk about the language. It’s not true that A’s is only about school work - he just loathes homework! - but I marvelled at how these two small boys simply reached an understanding and then moved on.

About F. F generates mutterings among parents at the gate because he can be violent, will throw chairs, run into the traffic if not supervised, and frequently has to be physically taken out of the class for his own and other children’s protection. Despite the mutterings, DS has only ever once, in all the years he has shared a class with F, come home with an issue, and that was after F managed to really hurt him and several other children on a very bad day. DS was justified in his fear and upset, and I was livid with the school for dropping the ball and not managing it all better. Lessons were learned. But I can’t help feeling that if my child isn’t regularly bringing home problems and isn’t distressed, then there isn’t actually an issue that exists outside the parents imagination and horror at behaviour that looks really bad on paper.

Recently DS has been talking about F in the context of playing at school, and I casually asked him how F was getting on. DS said “oh he doesn’t hit as much anymore mummy because he’s learning to use his words”. Again, I found myself quietly marvelling at his easy acceptance and ability to reach a simple understanding. He could just be parroting a teacher, but ‘using your words’ is a common refrain at the school for all the children so he could also have connected it all himself.

If these children were in the country I came from, their experiences would be so different. A would be viewed as the product of a mother who molly-coddled him and she would be judged harshly; B (dyslexic) would get absolutely nowhere at school; C would probably still be non-verbal and in a ‘special school’; D would be seen as an eccentric child genius, tolerated because he’s a genius; and E would be viewed exactly as she currently is in the UK: a child who can’t make friends because she’s nasty and mean. And F would be being beaten with a cane for his behaviour.

All of this is a complete revelation to me. I actually don’t know how to put words to it, but the way my children have no judgement, don’t gossip about these children, just get on with it and figure it out for themselves, feels almost miraculous to me. My children would never ever behave the way I did to that child I mentioned earlier. Icant even imagine them doing it. My acquired insights (which you might disagree with) are that I should always step back, resist trying to over-explain in case I derail things, and trust the parents of the ND children and even the school to keep things ticking along. I feel proud of the remarkable little people that my children are, but I don’t think much of it has to do with me: I think it’s their environment and social context, and I think I could even screw things up.

This is all about ND, because it started as a response to your comment, but race is a big thing for me too. My children simply don’t see racial differences. I have never ever had a question about different skin colours, or languages etc. Given how much race has featured in my life, this blows my mind and it feels extraordinary to me. Like a miracle really. It’s something I fiercely defend, but again my involvement is minimal, and I think it has more to do with their social environment.

And I would extend this to poverty as well. So far my children have been shielded from this in the UK, apart from visits to Africa where I’ve tried to explain it very carefully, but nervous I’ll mess up. I do think they’ll learn more from assimilating real experiences via their social environment, as they have done so far. This is one of the things I’m juggling, and I’m weighing it against the stuff I mentioned in my OP.

I don’t want secondary school to change what is working for my children. So far I’ve felt like I’ve stumbled accidentally into a good thing that has worked for my children. I don’t want their progress de-railed or set on a different course.

Well you are on of the very very few who has some compassion and understanding.

We never encountered anyone like you at the school my children attended.

And there is no one like you at the private school my DC attend either.

The only thing private school buys you is greater attention to detail and swiftly sorting out problems with good pastoral care.

The same level of deviousness exists it seems, wherever either of them go. There are some very damaged children out there and they hone in and find my kids and seem to enjoy bullying them. They must get something out of it as they don't stop. Unless they are caught. And then they find other underhand ways to carry it on.

These children exist at private school and state school. I have seen them in both settings.

If I could find a kind school, with genuinely kind people, I'd send my children there, in a heartbeat. Private or state. It wouldn't matter. It's just human decency that counts. But when you've got ASD, no one cares.

The fact that most, if not all, ASD adults have C-PTSD says it all. Rejection after rejection after rejection means it's impossible to function 'normally' or trust anyone.

Itsoktogiveup · 08/12/2022 13:46

TizerorFizz · 05/12/2022 14:55

@wednesdaynamesep
Children at private schools are mostly perfectly well adjusted and understand diversity when it comes to work. I assume you are perfectly well adjusted and accepting of others? So why are privately educated DC now unable to be like you?

Your DDs friends’ parents are justifying their choices. As you seek to justify yours. I can guarantee these people won’t stay as your friends when you don’t have education in common. Why would you want them anyway? They just make you doubt yourself and your decisions. If you and DH agree, just do it. Use the state school and get on with it. You come across as doubtful and even slightly envious. Why do you need to justify your decision to them? Or indeed anyone? Do you secretly think they might be on to something? If they are not, stand firm.

However if you don’t like people saying unkind things about DC in state schools, you shouldn’t say unkind things about people in private schools. I know perfectly well
they can be kind, tolerant, accepting of anyone and just like you! I know it’s the parents you don’t like but don’t label
the DC too. What DC see around them at school doesn’t define them for life.

For what it’s worth, you can go through life having differing views to others. You don’t have to do what others do. I chose a different educational route for DD1. It was the best decision for her. I wasn’t making it for anyone else to approve of. You should do the same.,

What @TizerorFizz said.

TizerorFizz · 08/12/2022 13:38

@wednesdaynamesep
I think you started this thread just to get a reaction! You don’t like private schools or these parents. Just avoid them. We make Choices to suit ourselves and our budgets. It’s that simple. You will find lots of people you do not care for in life. Seem out the ones like you!

I merely pointed out that parents who paid for years of tuition to get a grammar place, completely trashed the local secondary outside the school, still ended up with not overly successful Dc. Not what they aimed for at 11 most certainly! The Dc took control of their own lives, as the Dc in your school will do. I’d just get on with yours.

wednesdaynamesep · 08/12/2022 13:04

KindergartenKop · 08/12/2022 11:01

Argh this thread is awful!

State schools are fine, but the government doesn't fund them well enough, that's why the demand for private exists. State schools don't define the outcomes of kids, home has a much more significant impact.

Private schools aren't full of posh twats, most are just kids who come from families who want them to do well and have the money to pay to help them. They also often select on ability so obviously they will get a higher % of 9s than a school that doesn't.

Parents who bitch about the 'other' school, either way, are immature. They are really not seeing the full picture or appreciating that 95% of parents are just doing the best they can with the choices they have got.

The only thing I'd add was this thread started due to horrible negative things being said about the state school, by several parents who are considering private, irrespective of whether parents who have chosen the state school are in ear-shot or not. It has been pretty awful.

So it's not surprising that these type of parents, who definitely exist (just scroll through this thread), are dominating the discussion.

Of course, not ALL who send their children to private school are snobby, judgemental twats. But you can bet your last pound that if a snobby judgemental twat could afford to send their child to a private school they would.

A bit like how not all Brexit voters are racists, but it's not a stretch to see how every single racist probably voted for Brexit.

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wednesdaynamesep · 08/12/2022 12:56

@EastLondonObserver . I know, right ... 😂😂😂 It's not a contribution to the thread that is exactly selling private schools to me.

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wednesdaynamesep · 08/12/2022 12:53

@TizerorFizz

You make me laugh. How do you manage to segue from this ...

"Don’t want to end up like X and y’all (y’s) parents”! How snobby of your children!

...to this...

They have jobs but nothing special.

... without any sense of embarrassment? It makes this other comment by you especially ironic:

At least going private you don’t make comments about other parents like that.

Or do you think being snobby about parents is not on, but being snobby about the kids is fine?

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EastLondonObserver · 08/12/2022 12:51

TizerorFizz · 08/12/2022 10:43

Yes. It absolutely has. She’s a family barrister. So working with distressed people nearly every day of the week and advocating for them. What are the others doing? Office jobs, working for charities, “doing very little” in the words of their parents, working in a bank, and similar. I think my DD has demonstrated kindness, sense of purpose and inner happiness. I also fail to see why on earth anyone thinks privately educated DC don’t have these qualities? Of course they do. We are do ludicrously polarised in our political
positions, we fail to see the good in everyone.

I’m sure your DD is lovely. But come on, are you seriously trying to tell us family barristers - aka “divorce lawyers” - are motivated primarily through the goodness of their hearts and the nice pay packet, prestige and power, plus perhaps what was available when they applied for jobs, have nothing to do with it.

Moreover you say someone working for a charity is doing ‘nothing much’ with their lives.

Finally, this incredible kindness was purchased through private schooling.

funniest post I’ve read in a while!