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Opinions please: To add Creative Subjects to the EBacc?

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RantAlert · 28/11/2022 20:35

Just want to gauge general opinion on this.

I am an engineer. We are seeing more and more post-16 and post-18 come into apprenticeships with no practical skills and we are struggling to recruit.

I'm noticing from my own DC, they are doing nothing practical in school compared to what myself and DH did. Its frankly quite appalling the lack of practical skills and creative subjects my DC are doing, and how little curriculum time those subjects are given. They are just not valued, DT, electronics, engineering, Art, music and drama, reduced to 2 periods a week on rotation. Technology workshops don't exist in the schools any more - no woodwork, metalwork or electronics labs.

I’ve been asking a lot of questions of the apprentices, of many other people in the industry and not in the industry and the consensus is, the decline in practical skills and recruiting is because DT, Engineering, Electronics, Art (as well as other creative subjects) are all no longer seen as subjects which people should take at GCSE, and in any case, they haven’t got the time to take them. This is either because of the EBacc or because schools have stopped offering them (because of EBacc). In some cases, I know of some apprentices who are very good but were never given the chance to do the more practical subjects, they report having to have extra lessons of French or English or something academic because otherwise they wouldn’t pass them. I have heard of some potential apprentices not being able to join the company because the school pulled them off the DT or creative course they were on to focus on passing the EBacc subjects, therefore, they didn't get the all important DT/Engineering GCSE which would have meant they would be on the apprenticeship. THIS IS MENTAL!

I approach this from an engineering point of view, I know there are other subjects which are also suffering, but I’ve been thinking, what if I could set a petition up which asks for the government to add creative subjects to the EBacc? (Don’t get me wrong, I don’t like the EBacc, but if we have to have it, can we actually make it broad and balanced like it was meant to be?)

By creative I mean:
• DT*
• Engineering
• Electronics
• Art
• Music
• Drama
• Other things which fit in this general category which I haven’t mentioned

*In the long term I would like to see this split out again into the different GCSEs it once was such as resistant materials, systems and control, textiles and others. From my point of view this worked better with more knowledge about an area rather than a very limited knowledge about everything.

I would see the final performance measure being something like:
• English Language^
• Maths
• Combined Science
• Language
• Humanity
• Creative subject (STEAM subject?)

STEAM = Science, Technology, Engineering, Arts and Maths

^Yes, just language. Most of the young people I know have no interest in literature and a lot of them failed it or it was their worst grade. It was a waste of their time. Literature should be an option.

That’s 7, its balanced, 3 essay-based subjects, 3 STEM based subjects and 1 which crosses both.
This leaves room for 1-3 option subjects, of which triple science should be an option rather than 'You're in set 1 so you have to take it even though you're not interested but someone in set 2 is but they can't'.
These options can include some of the EBacc subjects like literature, another humanity or another creative subject or something completely different.

By including creative subjects this will stop the long term decline of uptake. The government is calling out for STEM qualified people, but they created the mess we are in by devaluing creative subjects. Introducing creative subjects (STEAM) to the EBacc has the benefit of bringing more skills to the workplace (which are desperately needed) which helps the economy and reverses the devaluing of the subjects the government started. There is some evidence that creative subjects can enhance learning as it helps people to think outside of the box therefore improving grades in the academic subjects. The government keeps going on about a broad and balanced curriculum, but don't value creative subjects. Gove wanted all schools to offer an education like the private section, which, just happens to really value creative subjects.

So, I've had my little rant and said what I think should happen. I know if I'm going to petition the government I need to do some real research and provide evidence but would really like to gauge public opinion.

So the question: What are others opinions on this?

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WayDownInTheHole · 28/11/2022 21:59

There was a Professor of Medicine (I think) a few years ago who complained that the decline of Textiles meant a lot of med students had massive issues with finger dexterity etc. when it came to stitches, surgery etc.

Found it! www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-46019429

WowPeopleAreJustWow · 28/11/2022 21:41

I would 100% support you if you did get something together.

My DS school has ran DT and Arts into the ground. All the teachers have left and they didn’t include workshops in the new build. They no longer offer DT GCSE and the only Arts one they offer is Art. They can’t offer music any more because there was such a low uptake they got rid of teachers and the last one standing just left.

The school instead focussed on the EBacc subjects. All of which are compulsory if you are going to get a 4+, even if they might get 7/8/9 in everything but say History, they will make them do History. They get one more option after that. So only 8 GCSEs. Most cannot pick the creative type subjects, firstly because they don’t exist, but when they did exist, if they wanted to do triple science this took the option, or RE, or something else. If they had 2 options it might have been a different story. If creative subjects were part of EBacc it would have been a very different story.

This isn’t just our school. I looked at other schools on the area and all are only offering 8 GCSEs, 7 of which are compulsory EBacc subjects so the creative subjects are out.

I think what you are wanting to do is a good thing, because unlike the school @GrazingTapir mentions, not all of them (in fact, I’d go as far as saying the vast majority of them) have common sense in what makes a balanced education which benefits the child and just chase the league tables.

GrazingTapir · 28/11/2022 21:18

Well of course it is entirely possible to offer all these subjects, our school does. 2 different types of workshop tech, textiles, art, drama, music, food tech, and non-gcse options in construction, land studies, child development etc. Plus the normal range of 'academic' gcse's too of course. And they get 4 options with no compulsory choices. So the Ebacc stats aren't great, but the school think providing appropriate education for all is way more important. And they are over-subscribed so it isn't proving to be a problem.

Doyathinkhesaurus · 28/11/2022 20:47

That all seems perfectly fair. In our house we had to not do music in order to fulfil the Ebacc requirements. My friends' daughter can't do drama because of the Same requirements. They are only able to choose one GCSE effectively as everything else is part of the Ebacc or chosen for them. I spoke to a woman at the weekend who taught D&T at secondary and she quit because the school closed up her workshop and sold off all the equipment. It's quite shocking really but it's exactly what the teachers warned about.

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