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To change daughters school in year 9?

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Handoverthechocollate · 08/10/2022 04:46

DD just started year 9 and attends a girls grammar school and is doing very well academically. She has a nice group of friends and has only had one big friendship falling out in year 8 where she then had to make a new set of friends (which she did with ease). Her brother has ASD and I strongly suspect that she is neurodiverse, but she masks well and probably will not meet the criteria for a diagnosis. She does have some anxiety, finds it hard to make eye contact, is shy etc.
From the time she went to the GS she realised her mistake and has hated it. She tried extra curricular sport and music and loves her friends, but hates the atmosphere, the ethos of the school and the pressure from her anxious friends and teachers. She is so unhappy that I sometimes hear her crying in her room before a new school term. Daily she says she hates it so much before and after a school day.
In May - when she was in year 8 - I put her name down for a school a bit further away which is a church school and has great pastoral care, a better ethnic/cultural mix (my daughter is black/white mixed race and hardly any of the current school cohort are the same). A space has come up and they have offered it to her to move at half term. Logistically the school is further away from home, but closer to her brother´s school, so the school run would still work.
We visited their Open Evening last night and she liked it, but she is in more turmoil as to what to do (she finds it hard to make decisions!)
I don´t want to force her to change, in case it goes wrong and she blames me!
Any wise words from anyone who has done this move? My concern is that she will not like ANY school because of hidden neurodiversity.....WWYD?

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Lampzade · 13/11/2022 11:54

Just read the update op
Great news

Lampzade · 13/11/2022 11:53

Handoverthechocollate · 08/10/2022 07:46

Thank you so much for replying @Meatshake. I will look into diagnosis, although I will have to get it done privately ££ and waiting lists are long. My feeling is that any school will induce anxiety, as you say. But if we don´t change we will never know if a change of culture would have helped.

The problem is that she may still find it difficult to cope with any school.
So she may move to the new school and still have issues.
Not sure if the grammar school would be willing to hold her place.

Dontaskdontget · 13/11/2022 11:48

Untitledsquatboulder · 08/10/2022 05:40

It's hard (understatement) but you are the grown up and you need to be the one to take this decision and to be prepared to be "blamed".

To me it's a no- brainer- she's deeply unhappy, move her. If it turns out she's not "school shaped" then you'll need to think again but that will have tried alternative to the gs she hates so much. Or - if you know deep down this is never going to work - then maybe it's time to seriously look at other options.

This!

I know several (neurotypical) people who hated grammar school, it doesn’t suit all children. And being mixed race in a achool where that’s rare isn’t comfortable either. Just move her! If if doesn’t work out, you can think again.

Handoverthechocollate · 13/11/2022 11:33

Thanks, @Madcats. You´re right about the stressed friends. Its unfair to be telling the pupils in year 9 to start working hard, when these girls are already busting a gut as perfectionists. So many of them carried on with tutoring all through years 7 and 8 - ridiculous! Hopefully DD will continue to be happy and thrive in the mixed environment. She has got a sleepover next weekend with her old friends to catch up on all the gossip 😁

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Madcats · 13/11/2022 11:12

Oh that is lovely news.

I always worry when I hear about kids being tutored extensively. In some schools that can be quite a lot of the class.

It's horrid to feel behind and equally hard to have stressed out peers around you (even if you aren't stressed yourself).

Handoverthechocollate · 13/11/2022 11:02

Quick update to say we made the leap!

DD started new school after half term. True, the school was v disorganised (e.g. she turned up for the 1st day and no one expected her, showed her around nor gave her a timetable so she was lost for 3 days). However, the students were friendly, she is coming out of school with a smile on her face and she is so much less tired when she comes home. She can actually talk to us and dance around the kitchen like she used to. She also told me she wished I had moved her at the end of year 7 to this school! (that wasn´t an option at the time) So we are pleased after only 2 weeks. All the admin has been sorted out now.

Plus, I put her on the waiting list for an ASD assessment (July 2023 😩) and spoke to the SENCo about my ND concerns. Straight away her teachers have been informed, she was given a buddy and put on a school plan. Happy days so far....

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lemoncurdling · 08/10/2022 12:54

MerryMarigold · 08/10/2022 12:42

I don't think schools can leave a space open. They need to get funding from being 'full' so they'll lose one child's funding if she goes elsewhere and they don't fill the space.

Another poster has posted about a school holding a place, so not sure this speculation is very helpful!

MerryMarigold · 08/10/2022 12:42

I don't think schools can leave a space open. They need to get funding from being 'full' so they'll lose one child's funding if she goes elsewhere and they don't fill the space.

MerryMarigold · 08/10/2022 12:40

Is she at Woodford county but you've been offered Davenant? If so, Davenant is not that great at Special Needs. It's also fairly high pressure. If it's not that school then fine! Just fit your profile! Feel free to pm me if it is. I have a friend with children at both schools.

Tigofigo · 08/10/2022 12:34

Untitledsquatboulder · 08/10/2022 05:40

It's hard (understatement) but you are the grown up and you need to be the one to take this decision and to be prepared to be "blamed".

To me it's a no- brainer- she's deeply unhappy, move her. If it turns out she's not "school shaped" then you'll need to think again but that will have tried alternative to the gs she hates so much. Or - if you know deep down this is never going to work - then maybe it's time to seriously look at other options.

I agree with this. It's not fair to leave all the decision making on her shoulders. Also speak to the grammar school and see if there's an option for her to return if things don't work out. My parents let me choose school at a similar age and it's so much pressure.

I would gently encourage the new school with hopefully the reassurance that she can return to old school after this academic year if it's not working out.

Robin233 · 08/10/2022 12:30

Move her.
My own mother was the same.
(Even back then.)
In 1950 my mum went to high / grammar school - hated it.
She had some time off with a serious operation. Because of that she got behind with her school work and had to drop back to the then local secondary modern.
She loved it.
When it came to me I was talked out of going (maybe a mistake in my case as we are very different)

Handoverthechocollate · 08/10/2022 10:21

Thanks @Mummadeze I wish you the same. Do let me know how you get on. Have you found a school you like the look of?

I hadn´t thought of that @MysteriousMonkey I don't see why the GS cant hold the place for a few weeks at least. Thanks so much!

Good ideas, @Madcats there have been family issues at home and what with the pandemic it has been a difficult problem to unpick, which is why I have left it so late to do anything about it. It is getting clearer that the school is a problem in itself. Some kids try to spare their parents the worry, which is what she has been doing, and its not good for her.

Actually @Noteverybodylives your comments are really helpful about culture/ethnicity to add to the mix. Its not something that is easy to understand, and frankly it shouldn´t matter. My parents moved my secondary school when I was in year 10 because of a house move - and being around people that looked like me changed my outlook on life for the better.

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Noteverybodylives · 08/10/2022 08:37

My DD is also mixed race at almost all white school.
If I could move her to a more cultural school I would in a heartbeat.

Noteverybodylives · 08/10/2022 08:36

What a difficult decision!!

My DD sounds exactly like your DD and she would absolutely hate a grammar school and I would never make her go, knowing that she’d struggle with the pressure.

Other schools have their own issues of course and you need to weigh up the pros and cons.
And I would try and research this school as much as possible - especially behaviour and bullying.

It sounds like she’s absolutely miserable at this school and the only reason she’s not sure what to do is because she’s worried about the change (like we all would be).

I don’t think the new school could make her feel much worse than how she’s feeling now so I would encourage her to go for it.

Madcats · 08/10/2022 08:32

Perfectionist girls aren't likely to improve as they head closer to GCSE years (I have a DD15 at a mixed selective). Years 7 and 8 must have been tough with so little face to face contact especially for some children without the broad friendship groups. Year 9 is always a "step up"/"sort yourself out" year but there ought to be somebody to help with pastoral issues. Do you have a parent/tutor evening soon?

I would sit down with DD and analyse what is good/bad about the current school and talk through what would be different at the new school. It ought to help you come up with a decision and a plan.

If it were my child I would move her in a heartbeat. No child should be in tears every day.

HTH1 · 08/10/2022 08:23

I would move her. This isn’t just a phase, she sounds really unhappy.

MysteriousMonkey · 08/10/2022 08:21

Speak to the gramme school and explain, and ask if they will hold her place for a couple of weeks. One of mine was at a grammar school and moved in year 8 and the grammar offered (without me asking) to hold her place for a month. I was so impressed. She didn't go back though, like your DD it was too competitive.

Mummadeze · 08/10/2022 08:18

Good luck. I hope it works out for you and her.

Handoverthechocollate · 08/10/2022 08:09

@Mummadeze yes that is a big dilemma. My DD is sort of missing the boys (coed primary school) to add a bit of light relief to what she sees as the perfectionist girls. The teachers are like lecturers and not particularly nurturing, which I think she needs. The comp we are looking at does seem to have a calm atmosphere - maybe the church ethos - even though they have boys haha!

Time to get my big girl pants on and make a decision in the next week or so.

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Handoverthechocollate · 08/10/2022 08:02

I do tell myself this, @sashh but I know for a fact her grammar school place will be snapped up faster that I could say Jack Robinson! But she could move back for 6th form.....

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Mummadeze · 08/10/2022 07:53

She is very unhappy, yes :(

sashh · 08/10/2022 07:53

Move her, if it is a mistake then she could move back.

The pressure will ramp up over the next two years so if she is struggling it won't get easier.

Mummadeze · 08/10/2022 07:53

My DD is at a big mixed comp which is outstanding but she finds the classes too rowdy and disruptive and the teachers shout a lot. We don’t have many alternative options but am considering an all girls school instead in the hope it might be a bit calmer. She also has one friend at the other school, but no friends in her current school. Main problem with the new one is it is much farther away.

Handoverthechocollate · 08/10/2022 07:48

@Mummadeze Which type of school is your DD at, and which type of school do you have in mind? Is your DD unhappy in her school too?

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Handoverthechocollate · 08/10/2022 07:46

Thank you so much for replying @Meatshake. I will look into diagnosis, although I will have to get it done privately ££ and waiting lists are long. My feeling is that any school will induce anxiety, as you say. But if we don´t change we will never know if a change of culture would have helped.

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