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International Baccalureat anyone?

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BaconAndAvocado · 06/10/2022 14:17

DS15 is currently in Year 11 at one of the local grammar schools. His school have started telling the kids about the IB and the benefits of it versus A levels.
There is a meeting for parents next week.
Just wondered if anyone has experience of this qualification and how hard it is.
DS is not an all-rounder (better at Maths and Science rather than Humanities) and he can’t stand Foreign Languages, which I understand they have to take to complete the IB.
He would have the option of applying to another local grammar which offers just A levels.
He said he’s not sure what he wants to do yet. He doesn’t know which career path he wants to pursue.
Ive heard from other parents that the IB is difficult and I wonder whether he would be better off just studying 3 subjects that he likes.

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TizerorFizz · 06/10/2022 15:39

A levels: studying what he’s good at trumps IB. IB is great for true all-rounders but if he’s not interested in languages (such a shame at his age!) then why struggle on with one post gcse? If he’s best at STEM, do that at A level.

Look at university courses he might like and take the required A levels. IB is not necessary and most DC transition to study at university successfully after A levels. As DC are not stupid they really do know how to study after A levels.

The IB is expensive to run, so schools big it up. It’s not the best for everyone and isn’t offered at any of our county wide grammars. No shortage of fantastically academic students at them who succeed at university after A levels.

chesirecat99 · 06/10/2022 15:37

I think educationally it is a great thing to study a wider range subjects and the course is great preparation for university, maybe even better than A-levels - all the research projects and critical analysis. But it is a lot of work... My eldest says the first few years of med school were easier than doing the IB (although to be fair, he did have all the coursework due plus the UCAT/BMAT and interviews going on at the same time) Grin

What does your DS think he might want to study? I would look at the IB and A-level offers at the universities he might be interested in. Some universities make lower offers for IB, and it is worth a lot of UCAS points (but not very many universities use UCAS points) but, often, getting the IB offer is harder than the equivalent A-level offer eg Cambridge offers are usually 42/45, almost impossible if you have 1 weak subject and there is always the risk of moderation pulling marks down on coursework. If he needs very high marks (A*/A) for the course he wants to study, he will need to be an all rounder to get the equivalent offer in the IB. On the other hand, some US universities accept it as credit for an entire year of university.

My DS had offers of 36, 38 and 39 with a minimum of 6 in all HL subjects from courses that wanted identical A-level grades. He rejected an offer that wanted a minimum of 5 in all the SL subjects too - it seems ridiculous that a university would reject a science student with 3 x 7 in HL sciences because they got a 4 in French but accept a student with the same overall score but only 3 x 6 at HL. To translate that, it's the equivalent of taking a student with 3 As and an A in GCSE French but rejecting a student with 3 A* just because they got a C in GCSE French Hmm

If your DS is more of a last minute reviser who can pull off good grades, the constant slog of assessed coursework might not suit him. On the other hand, if you do put the work in, good coursework marks take the pressure off the exams.

If he isn't a natural linguist, we were advised that it isn't a good idea to take a language they have already studied because the standard is quite high. It's easier to get a good mark learning a new European language ab initio. Could your DS manage to get to GCSE level in 18 months? What languages are on offer?

I would also ask about specific subjects once your DS knows what he would chose eg I believe Higher Level Further Maths is considered very difficult to get a top mark.

BaconAndAvocado · 06/10/2022 15:37

I think you might be right.
thanks for your input.

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ApolloandDaphne · 06/10/2022 14:54

Yeah he would have to be really up for doing the work. If he isn't then A levels might be the better option.

BaconAndAvocado · 06/10/2022 14:29

ApolloandDaphne thanks for your response. Yes, it’s the volume of work that puts me off.
Although DS is bright, he does need encouragement to study/revise and I don’t want the next 2 years to be a battle of wills!
I guess his decision will also be influenced by where his friends want to go.

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ApolloandDaphne · 06/10/2022 14:24

Both my DDs did it and did fairly well, enough to get into good unis. DD was not an allrounder and struggled somewhat with Biology and Maths, but excelled at art which offset this. DD2 is more of an all rounder and did fine in all the subjects she took. Both said it was a godsend when going to uni as they had learned all the skills they needed for independent study. It was a lot of work though and they had to be rigorous about getting through the coursework and pieces to be submitted.