11 plus support thread 2022

Good luck those getting results today. Will you wait until your child is home or peek!?

Ours should be tomorrow (posted today but last time round some didn't arrive until Monday!) Wish it was online!

@Pipsquiggle same here, sleepless nights and waiting for results. I think I will have a few of those until offer day.

Results day for us today. Didn't sleep well. We will see what the day brings. Whatever happens, I don't think my DS could have done any more

Nothing released today for Trafford so next week it is. 7 more days to go.

Thanks Elven, very useful.

Unlikely DS will get into KEGS but luckily he is just as happy to go to the local secondary too so not a big deal!

@BordoisAgain I tell a lie, standardisation formula for this year is on csse site, as is last years, so you'll be able to make a direct comparison.

Ah thanks.

Dorset don't release raw scores but just give out the standardised scores so we are clueless how it relates to the test!

@MagnaQuestion 47 etc are the raw scores, out of 60. They then standardise them with some complex magic method that places everyone on a bell curve, the upper end being close to 400, lowest round 200ish I believe. Unless you are applying to CCHS which has its own system, so nearly all the girls take 2 11+ exams as they want the choice of CCHS or the consortium schools. All the boys schools are in the consortium so the boys only do one exam. (2 papers obvs.)

I've looked at Essex on the eleven plus forum (we're not Essex just looking!)

Are the 47/45 etc raw scores. Is that out of 50!??! Or a percentage? Just curious!

@BordoisAgain last year (my DD went through it last year) the standardisation report wasn't released until some weeks after results as I recall. To see chances, I don't know which school(s) you're considering but I've been google searching FOI requests for the one I'm interested in and every year there's one for lowest mark getting in on offers day and lowest mark eventually. I've gone back through 5 years to calculate DS's chances 🤣

No hint that Trafford results will be out tomorrow. Perhaps it's next week instead. Argh!!!

Yes, we're Essex

If its an SAS score its a standardised score which I assume would be calculated based on statistical things like standard deviations and what not (sorry rubbish explanation but as far as I have got in understanding this stuff!)

@BordoisAgain are you Essex too? Tbh the algorithms confuse me every time I've tried to read them, but I know the ahe adjustment is different each year and also they look at the difficulty of the paper. Have you visited the 11+ forum at all? There is a mark sharing thread, bot many people have posted yet but I suspect many haven't realised they're out early. Interesting seeing raw scores, birth months and what they've converted to.

Also, I'd like to work out if there's definitely no chance of him getting a place and let him down gently!

Do you know how they calculate the final score?

Based on last year's algorithm my DS would have scored a lot higher than he did (and would have a mark higher than the lowest mark admitted.)

His actual mark is a lot lower and is quite a way below the mark he would have got last year so I'd just line to understand why.

Found the link!

Look at this thread here

linky

and then there is another link on the second post that goes down to the success %
table

table of chances for different scores

if you follow the link to the elevenplus forum, @Octoberfishing there are lots of examples
of reviews and appeals on there (for all regions of appeal , not just Bucks)
For Bucks it seems that the closer the child scores to the magical 121 , the more likely a review is to be successful. Children have been successful with low scores before but the lilelyhood is much lower, one of the sadly departed and much missed ex-mods Sallyanne I think published a table of what proportion of certain scores were successful but that was years ago and no idea where that post is. suffice it to say that a 119-120 score is highly worth a Review, a 110 and below much less so.

Thank you, this is really helpful.

What about a 1:1 or 2:2 child who just does really badly for no discernable reason - I'm talking maybe 115 or lower? Eg just a bad day, I mean, they're mostly 10 after all. Hopefully a theoretical question but forewarned is forearmed!

Well done @ElvenDreamer for your DS! I know it’s frustrating having such a long wait but at least you can put that grammar on the CAF with a backup underneath it….

Am half wanting tomorrow evening to come asap, and half dreading it, even though our backup is a good one, I know DS will have a bit of a dent in his confidence (and be sad for the music loss) if he doesn’t make a pass mark. stupid system.

Birmingham folk-the Grammar school association has tweeted that results will be emailed Monday…so only a few more days to go.

I feel your pain! Results stress and no guarantees even with a pass. I've just checked North Yorks (looking for the waiting list movement info) and it looks like they have put on their 2022/23 admissions data and the last admitted child lived over 20 miles out. That's a massive leap from 9.9 miles out the year before, which was also unprecedented. That has definitely been added since the last time I looked (only 2021/22 data available then) and potentially positive if we get good news on the entrance exam.

I could see that there were 13 children on the waiting list on allocation day on 1st March 2022 but no info on if this ever moved.

Apologies to non Yorkshire folk and yes.... bloody misers with second class post!

@ElvenDreamer well done to your DS for doing so well and keeping everything crossed for you that it works out for you.

@Dynamix we're way out of catchment too, so far that we've been looking at boarding options (have donned flack jacket remembering this is MN). I think N Yorks website has tables of how much the waiting list moves between March and September? 2nd option is currently way up in the air as there are big family disagreements over it 😣

2nd class postage for results here - typically Yorkshire 😂

@MagnaQuestion thanks. sadly no way at this stage of knowing where he is in the mix, they don't publish anonymised scores lists until well after offers day as I recall from my DD last year, we just have to look at historical data. More than one school uses same test and some kids will be looking at several, some only 1 depending on their personal choices and where they live etc so it's really completely up in the air. Really proud of him though, in maths he refuses to miss out questions, you cannot convince him if it's a long difficult one to skip and come back, so he will have missed several 'easier' marks by persisting in ploughing through in order, I know he didn't complete the paper because of this so the ones he did do must have been ok at least 🤣

Oh wow. Well done Elven Dreamers son on a good score! Is there anyway of finding out - can the school tell you if you're in the top 160 or whatever it is? March is an agonisingly long time isn't it!

We're told in the letter if they've "passed" even though the mark varies year by year - they also report it in standardised scores which make no sense to me!

They should be posting ours tomorrow so hopefully Saturday . First class post isn't what it used to be though so may be Monday. I'd rather an email!