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11 year old DS, severe separation anxiety and secondary school struggles - suggestions for alternative London schools?

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usernamebore · 20/09/2022 11:57

Hi

DS is 11 and just started secondary at a relatively kind and supportive London co-ed private. Unfortunately he has developed acute separation anxiety and every day for the last two weeks has been brutal. He has had multiple panic attacks in the morning, including in school. This morning he was screaming in fear, sobbing, begging me not to leave, begging me to get him help as he was so scared, hyperventilating etc. When I tried to leave he was so terrified he pushed past the teacher and was basically fighting to get to me and grabbing on to my work bag with white knuckles. He seems terrified of being alone in the school without us. It seems he had a propensity for this, but Covid and the recent death of his grandfather (they were very close) has pushed him over the edge. Pre-Covid he loved having playdates with friends from primary school, but when the restrictions lifted he just refused to have them. I wonder if being told to stay at home with us to keep safe from Covid just exacerbated this sense that he needs to be with us.

I have managed to get him in school every day for the last two weeks, and he has taken part in almost all of the lessons, but it is brutal for him and for us. The school are being helpful, and he has an appointment with the counsellor. We are also looking to try and get him seen by someone privately to help. I worry about the fact that all his peers have obviously seen some of this, and dont want him to start getting bullied or ostracized for being the weird crying kid. It is also hard not to think it is annoying for his teachers....

But part of me wonders if a big, competitive school like this is just not going to work for him. If it gets to that stage, does anyone have any suggestions for smaller london schools with really good SEN provision, or that might otherwise be better able to support him and us with this? Anyone had any experience with separation anxiety issues like this and have any advice, or know of a school which might be better for him? Dealing with getting him in every morning, and then going off and doing a full days work is just killing me and I worry a lot about his long term mental health.

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usernamebore · 14/11/2022 12:02

@Hamsterdamn many thanks - that is really encouraging to hear

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usernamebore · 14/11/2022 12:02

@tpmumtobe thanks - I actually just created a laddering poster to go on our fridge with rewards for each step because I think it will help with his control/fear of the unknown to be able to visualise where we are headed. I have been cutting down the lengths of the calls for the last few weeks - they have gone from 15min of tears 4 weeks ago, to less than a minute of joking and laughter - so I am confident he does not NEED the call, but it is a comfort we are taking away. The thing is, the only way he can learn he is resilient and he can cope is to have to cope.
He has actually been doing ok today - clearly an increase in his anxiety, but still miles away from where we were. Will just keep my fingers crossed for Wed.

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Hamsterdamn · 14/11/2022 12:00

username we’ve taken great strides with the Laddering Approach. We also had tears when scaffolds were taken down but I trusted the process (mostly) and things are so much better than they’ve ever been before.

alexdgr8 · 14/11/2022 11:36

why can't he decide when he wants to drop that call.
i think a lot of his anxiety is about things being out of his control.
he has become aware of death which is out of everyone's control. totally. it's hard for adults to cope with that, and to keep going, and to get beyond the feeling of, oh what's the point.
he is acutely aware that those whom he loves will die, and there's nothing he can do about it.
and he's got to spend his time away from those he loves.
and in the ultimate scheme of things, nothing seems as important.
and he loves and needs you.
it's nothing to do with how long he talks for, or topic.
it's that he knows you are still alive.
so he can go on living, trying to function.
excuse my impertinence in writing this.
you may say it's all tosh, that i don't know him; know nothing about it. which is true.
i wish you and him all the best.

tpmumtobe · 14/11/2022 11:28

What we have found helps with the laddering approach sometimes is breaking it right down to an almost ridiculous level. So, for example you could time the calls - on day one he chats for 2 mins, on day two for 1 min, on day three he literally checks in and hangs up. On Day four could he send a text so you're not actually talking to each other. Then on day five he tries going to the room but not calling (but if that's too hard he's still in a place where he can call if needed) and phase it out reeeaallly slowly?

usernamebore · 13/11/2022 20:12

It is part of the work on his anxiety more generally - using the laddering technique to slowly increase the exposure etc. I think he can do it, but he has to deal with his mind telling him he can’t and the only way to do that is to do it. Part of me agrees with you though - particularly because I am sure in schools where kids are allowed mobile phones there are plenty of kids who text or call home during the day! But we have to trust in the professionals and give this a try. Taking their approach has really worked so far, so we are going to take this next step and keep supporting him through it. If it really doesn’t work then we can reassess after a week or so. But I am hopeful we will have a hard day or two and then he will realise he can do it and he will have taken another step forward.

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XelaM · 13/11/2022 19:34

Why do you HAVE to remove the safety net if it's been helping? I would just tell the school he needs it and it's the only thing that works. Don't change anything if it's been working for him

usernamebore · 13/11/2022 18:39

As he has being doing well the last few weeks, both the therapsit and the school advised us to drop the break time call from Wednesday this week, so he only calls at lunch. I know he can do it, and I know it is important we start removing the safety behaviours, but we just told him and the poor thing is freaking out. It just shows how irrational anxiety is - he literally speaks to me for less than a minute at break and is generally laughing and telling me about his lessons. But his brain is telling him without that he can’t cope. I know we will get there but I am feeling super anxious and depressed at the thought of going back to having the tears and the anxiety and panic again, even if just for a short time while he adjusts. Seeing him sat on the couch feeling worried and sad just makes me want to cry.

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tpmumtobe · 04/11/2022 16:11

Ah that is fantastic news, really pleased for you all, I've been wondering how it's going. Nothing wrong with having all those support mechanisms in place longer term, my DS certainly still has things he relies on now well into Year 8 and there's no harm in it at all, keeps him happy and settled and gives him the confidence to reach out in other areas. Brilliant that he's starting to consider clubs too - as ever, baby steps, but he will get there. And well done to you on holding it together for everyone, it takes nerves of steel sometimes, I know!

usernamebore · 03/11/2022 15:42

@Ilovechoc12 I have been hesitant to post because I didnt want to jinx things, but we do seem to have potentially turned a bit of a corner. There was some anxiety over half term - not just about school, but wider anxieties and getting easily overwhelmed etc - but we have been working with him, and have had a couple of good sessions with the child psychologist, and this week has seen a dramatic difference. No tears at all, no freakouts and actually laughing and joking on the way in to school. Obviously this is all still on the basis of the support structures we have in place (I take him in to the nurse in the morning, he calls at break and lunch (though only for 3-4min) and he has notes from us to open for each lesson) but seeing as he was only just making it in with all of that, and getting very anxious every day, last half term, it does seem a big improvement. I know it has barely been a week yet, but I am allowing myself to hope a little that we are on the way up.

Small steps, and certainly not going to rush to remove the supports (though we will do eventually) but his confidence is growing with each successful day. He still has no friends, and hides away most of break and lunch, but hopefully now that the wider fears are reducing, he will have the mental space to be able to start interacting more with his peers and potentially making friends. He has actually mentioned that he thought of trying a club yesterday lunchtime, but was too scared, but the fact he even considered it is a massive improvement....

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Ilovechoc12 · 03/11/2022 12:30

OP- how is your son after half term?

usernamebore · 13/10/2022 20:50

Thank you everyone and @beautifulyoungmind in particular. I share all this stuff because visibility on mental health issues is massively importance, as is honesty and openness. I know reading some things posted by others who have been through similar experiences really helps me, so I hope talking about what we are going through helps others too. We just had all call from CAMS saying he does not really meet threshold, and even if he did we would have months and months to wait for anything and ultimately they could not offer more than he is already getting, namely sessions with a therapist. Essentially he said if he is not self harming, suicidal, or fully refusing school, then they just don’t have the resources to do anything. I absolutely understand the need to prioritise their shamefully underfunded resources on kids who need it more, so don’t hold a grudge about that (save one against our politicians for decades of underfunding mental health support). All we can do is keep on keepin’ on and enjoy this half term break.

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beautifulyoungmind · 13/10/2022 20:05

You are right in the middle of a really stressful time where the differences are glaring & hurt. I really get that grief process and have been through it for different reasons and at the time many people, strangers on these boards, advised me to read a poem called Welcome to Holland. Well meaning but even now, over a decade on, I silently rage and think 'I bloody well wanted to go to Italy'. I hate that poem & I'm not suggesting you read it as I don't think it's actually relevant to your situation but I'm sure there are a few on this thread that will know where I am coming from.
I get massively envious of people with their 'normal' kids that they don't have to spend so much time thinking and worrying about. But then things like toxic social media, drugs, alcohol, partying come along and I'm quite grateful for my shy anxious children who are slow to adopt the latest trend & don't yet have a crowd to follow (although I might end up eating those words) so maybe there's some truth to that patronising poem
I think your self awareness and ability to share openly on here puts you and your son in such a strong position to get over this hump. Others here have expressed the same - I think we are slightly in awe! Hopefully your grief will be short lived and replaced with relief.

IsThePopeCatholic · 13/10/2022 19:17

That’s really good news. Well done!

Zib · 13/10/2022 18:37

OP you seem to be doing an amazing job. I hope you and your ds continue with a fair wind.

usernamebore · 13/10/2022 15:20

I think I have realised I am dealing with a kind of grief process about all this - grief at the loss of a kind of childhood we anticipated, at the loss of a “normal” life for us and for DS. That he is not going to suddenly switch to be like the rest of his peers who are self-sufficient and happy and able to cope. I think that is why I am feeling so exhausted and depressed about the whole thing. It is hard to come to terms with the fact that our lives are permanently changed by all this. That we need to find the strength to cope with all that is coming when we already feel on our knees with tiredness. Maybe I need to spend some time properly mourning and coming to terms with that. Learning to accept where we are instead of constantly being anxious and upset because we are not where society tells us we should be.
But being positive - he has made progress the last few weeks. He has not missed a single day all half term. He is now going into form time every morning and, aside from the blip on Monday arising from his awful cold, we have had no tears or freak outs at all in the morning for 2 weeks, and no full blown panic attacks for almost 4. He is laughing and joking when he speaks to me on the phone from school, which is very different from the teary, sad boy I spoke to for the first 3 weeks of term. Still a long way to go, but it does seem like we might get there eventually.

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Newuser82 · 13/10/2022 10:03

rubysparkles1 · 12/10/2022 20:56

@usernamebore this doesn’t sound like separation anxiety as he used to be fine when he was away from you. He could have anxiety from being bullied or he has self doubt about his own capabilities or he hasn’t made many friends. If it’s the latter then he’ll find break/lunch difficult. Also lessons where he’s not with anyone he’s close to.

If he doesn’t want to invite friends round, then could you take them to the cinema/bowling/sport etc? You mention you have anxiety. Dc will pick up on this and may unconsciously copy behaviours. Are you receiving help for this? No judgement because I used to have chronic panic attacks and PTSD.

Yes this was my thought too. Again no judgement as I do suffer with anxiety myself. I'm sure the psychologist will help much more than everyone on here but like I said previously this is something we have been through and I think 🤞 come out of the other side. It's not about pushing him to the point of panic but trying to give him the realisation that he can handle situations by himself. The psychologist we dealt with said you can reassure and try to protect them too much (we were guilty of this, me in particular) and all it does it make them think they can't do it and it's something to be worried of (if that makes sense). Obviously this needs to be done step by step so as not to overwhelm him. Does he have any friends from his old school that he would meet up with?, cousins or other family members? As playing with other kids can really help. You sound like such a Caring parent and you will all get there in the end. He is lucky to have you.

usernamebore · 13/10/2022 09:29

If you mean LU, no.

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zezzez · 13/10/2022 08:11

Hi OP. Just wondering - might this be a very selective co-ed next to a major A road in West London by any chance?

rubysparkles1 · 12/10/2022 20:56

@usernamebore this doesn’t sound like separation anxiety as he used to be fine when he was away from you. He could have anxiety from being bullied or he has self doubt about his own capabilities or he hasn’t made many friends. If it’s the latter then he’ll find break/lunch difficult. Also lessons where he’s not with anyone he’s close to.

If he doesn’t want to invite friends round, then could you take them to the cinema/bowling/sport etc? You mention you have anxiety. Dc will pick up on this and may unconsciously copy behaviours. Are you receiving help for this? No judgement because I used to have chronic panic attacks and PTSD.

Newuser82 · 12/10/2022 20:47

Could you maybe meet up somewhere neutral with another kid? So you aren't doing it at home but somewhere else maybe related to an interest of his. It's going to be so helpful going forward if he can make some friends.

usernamebore · 12/10/2022 19:10

@beautifulyoungmind thank you for such a kind message - it really does mean a lot. Actually his maths teacher just asked him to join maths club but he does not feel ready yet. The problem is he calls me at lunchtime to touch base, and then hangs out with the receptionist who is his new buddy 😂he is fine with talking to the adults there, just his peers which is hard. Hopefully next half term we can get to a club or at least the library. Just a friend or two will make a big difference. Interesting what you say re not having people over - DS is the same - he does not want school friends to come for play dates as he sees home as his safe space away from school. Hopefully this will change soon
so glad your daughter has been improving. Long may it continue

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beautifulyoungmind · 12/10/2022 18:44

The key to my daughter finally settling into year 7 last year was actually friends and it takes time. She eventually found them at the lunchtime maths clubs attended by only 5 or 6 kids, 2 of whom are now her 'best' friends and they are coming over this half term to work on a physics project together. Never in my wildest dreams of this time last year did I think this might be on the cards. She's always hated people coming over to our home which she sees as her safe space away from the anxieties of school.
Can you encourage your son to go a lunchtime club? It's often a refuge from the bustle of the playground & classrooms both of which my daughter finds to be positively feral with far less supervision and more eye opening behaviours than she was used to at her cosy primary. Secondary school really is a baptism of fire. If your son is able to find a quiet club in something he is interested in he is far more likely to find potential friends. Obviously it depends on what your school offers but maths club was a game changer for us. . My son's school has gardening club & ornithology club which he's not interested in (he's all about coding) but my daughter would love both of these..gentle & immersive activities outside with a teacher away from the crowds.

No panic attack for 3 weeks is great progress & full of promise for further improvement. I hope so for the sake of your wallet as those Psychologist sessions are extortionate. I feel like the professionals are really good at taking money off desperate parents. We were fleeced in the early years.

Don't feel too alone in being so far away from 'normal'. You'd be surprised at what people are coping or not coping with behind closed doors. You're obviously an incredibly engaged parent & supportive partner and from the sounds of it you have every base covered so go easy on yourself. You put some parents I know to complete shame. All of these things are phases and you will get through it given how proactive you are. Year 7 is all about settling in. Nothing your son learns this year or even next year will have too much bearing on his GSCEs and it's still really early days in terms of settling in to secondary though I am sure it doesn't feel like it.

usernamebore · 12/10/2022 17:12

@beautifulyoungmind many thanks for this. We actually had an offer from Kew but went elsewhere in the end. I had heard mixed things about its pastoral provision, but there is a lot to like about it. We are in south west London and both work, so it is hard to find a school located in a place which works. I also just don’t think it will make much difference where he is. It is more school in general and being away from us all day that is the issue. I think he would be anxious regardless of where we went, plus the change could well trigger more issues .The pressure he puts on himself re tests and all that comes totally from himself, as the school are much more relaxed about it (irrespective of the fact he is apparently doing excellently in all his lessons anyway!).

I know after half term is going to be hard, and I am struggling myself with feeling anxious and depressed about how hard everything is and how far away from “normal” we are. Hard not to feel down when parents are organising fun activities for his class, and talking about how much their kids are enjoying school etc. But at the same time we have not had a panic attack in 3 weeks, and he does seem to be developing better coping mechanisms and resilience. We have still only had one session with the child psychologist, so have to give that time too. Hopefully over the year things will get better.

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