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11 year old DS, severe separation anxiety and secondary school struggles - suggestions for alternative London schools?

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usernamebore · 20/09/2022 11:57

Hi

DS is 11 and just started secondary at a relatively kind and supportive London co-ed private. Unfortunately he has developed acute separation anxiety and every day for the last two weeks has been brutal. He has had multiple panic attacks in the morning, including in school. This morning he was screaming in fear, sobbing, begging me not to leave, begging me to get him help as he was so scared, hyperventilating etc. When I tried to leave he was so terrified he pushed past the teacher and was basically fighting to get to me and grabbing on to my work bag with white knuckles. He seems terrified of being alone in the school without us. It seems he had a propensity for this, but Covid and the recent death of his grandfather (they were very close) has pushed him over the edge. Pre-Covid he loved having playdates with friends from primary school, but when the restrictions lifted he just refused to have them. I wonder if being told to stay at home with us to keep safe from Covid just exacerbated this sense that he needs to be with us.

I have managed to get him in school every day for the last two weeks, and he has taken part in almost all of the lessons, but it is brutal for him and for us. The school are being helpful, and he has an appointment with the counsellor. We are also looking to try and get him seen by someone privately to help. I worry about the fact that all his peers have obviously seen some of this, and dont want him to start getting bullied or ostracized for being the weird crying kid. It is also hard not to think it is annoying for his teachers....

But part of me wonders if a big, competitive school like this is just not going to work for him. If it gets to that stage, does anyone have any suggestions for smaller london schools with really good SEN provision, or that might otherwise be better able to support him and us with this? Anyone had any experience with separation anxiety issues like this and have any advice, or know of a school which might be better for him? Dealing with getting him in every morning, and then going off and doing a full days work is just killing me and I worry a lot about his long term mental health.

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LittlePickleHead · 11/12/2024 12:20

@usernamebore resurrecting your thread as there are so many similarities with our son. Secondary transition has been tough and he hasn't been in for 4 weeks now. Reading experiences like yours are really helpful to avoid us pushing and potentially risking a more serious burnout situation as a result.

DS11 is starting at MVP in January, and I am actually excited for him, I just think it will be so much more of a positive experience.

Is your son still there? How is it going? Has he managed to find other clubs and ways to socialise with kids his age IRL?

usernamebore · 17/04/2024 13:23

Just by way of update, we are well into the first week at Minerva and are extremely impressed. Staff and kids lovely. About 60% of the students are neurodiverse. Work at a good and adaptable level. Highly flexible. Good example is in the live lessons - depending on where your kid is comfortable they can contribute orally, by public chat, or by private chat. They can have cameras on, off, on but showing the ceiling, on but with them blurred out etc. There are social groups but no pressure to join. You can adapt the work to do it when works best for your kid etc. Very up on autism, ADHD, anxiety etc and teachers are all very conscious of trying to work with kids to help them feel ok. Technical systems are well thought through and up-to-date. Lots of use of good tech, particularly in terms of assistive tech to help kids with dyslexia etc or other challenges. 1-1- mentor is amazing. Highly recommended if anyone is thinking about it. DS is getting more and more confident, and his anxiety levels have dropped massively. I think a big part of it is so much more of his day is now in his control. He gets to decide if he feels happy answering a question. When one class went to do group work, the teacher said anyone who was not comfortable with group work in breakout rooms could stay with her and do it there. I could see DS breathe a sigh of relief....

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jamoncrumpets · 08/04/2024 16:17

I'm really pleased that your child is in a place where they are being seen and understood by people around them. Good updates OP.

Lougle · 29/10/2023 20:54

@usernamebore I'm so glad you have managed to unpick what was happening for your lovely boy. Does he have an EHCP? DD2 is very similar to your DS and couldn't cope in a school with classes of 3. She's now having an EOTAS (Education Otherwise than at School) package from the LA. It's not as unusual as people may like you to think.

usernamebore · 29/10/2023 20:54

Thanks - yes, I was planning to attend that webinar. Her viewpoint makes a lot of sense

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Wishingitcolder · 29/10/2023 20:43

So sorry to read your update but equally glad you have “listened” to your lovely DS he’s is really lucky to have such understanding parents. I remember reading your first post and it really resonated as I have a child the same age who is struggling so so much with mainstream school despite us finally securing a EHCP & many adjustments we too are on the verge of pulling them out to home educate as the pain of forcing them into school is awful. This Monday night Dr Naomi Fisher is doing one of her Zoom webinars on school burn out due to autism and next steps, I’ve just signed up as I like her work. I hope your DS can thrive via HomeEd and slowly find his way back into some of the world

usernamebore · 29/10/2023 20:34

Thanks - that would be ideal, but at the moment he finds the whole idea of interacting with other kids completely overwhelming and terrifying so we can’t even try. He says he just doesn’t understand them and finds his peers confusing and unpredictable and often mean, which makes interacting with them extremely stressful and scary. Part of what we are learning about the extreme empathy which comes with his autism is, for example, every time one of the boys in his class said something mean to one of the girls, he felt it deeply. Every time he saw someone being told off, or being bullied, or being sad because they got a bad grade, or saw children dying on the news, it hurt him and he fears a world which often treats people as cruelly as ours does…

But we are thinking of hopefully trying to join some sort of group things in the future when he has recovered from the autistic burnout a bit. Maybe some sort of group classes or other things. Hopefully we can help him learn that there are good people out there too, and that he can find his tribe if we give it time

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HawaiiWake · 29/10/2023 20:01

Are there are sport activities you as a family can take up with other kids in the group? Tennis, sailing, martial art etc. Art classes or events in museums. Therefore you can get DC to socialise but outside a classroom situation?
Gaming like Power up in Science Museum? Meet other kids of different age and some interactions.
Does he play any musical instruments and could join an ensemble or orchestra?

usernamebore · 29/10/2023 18:59

Also - just to add - looking back at some of my posts when he was “improving” at his old school, he has explained that he thought everyone found school that painful and terrifying and he had to put on a brave face and pretend (I.e mask!) and there was something wrong with him because he struggled to do so. But once he learnt that he was autistic and everyone else did not have the challenges he did, he could drop the mask and let us know how he really felt every day. How what we saw was a kid not crying before school, or when he spoke to me on the phone, and assumed that meant he was getting more comfortable and the “resilience” building was slowly working, whereas in reality he was just repressing how he was feeling and acting happier because he thought he had to. All while he was secretly scratching and biting and pinching himself in fear and stress, or lying in bed alone every night trying not to cry about the next day…

I know now if we had not pulled him out and made a change, in a few months or years he would have had a complete breakdown and we would have been in a very very bad place. Hopefully now we have changed things in time. It is still going to take a long time to build his strength and confidence up, but I am hopeful we will get there.

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usernamebore · 29/10/2023 18:50

Another brief update - online school is going really well, but the hybrid structure of trying to get him in to real school on one or two days a week is not. His level of anxiety and stress about those days is extreme, and we have not managed to get him into a classroom for more than 10min. He finds the other kids, and the school environment, absolutely terrifying. Even though there are only 5 kids in his class. Even though it is a small and nurturing school. Crying in fear the night before going in, even knowing it would only be for 10min. Shaking in terror as we approach the school building…

So we are going to give up. What is the point in forcing him in when everything has showed us so far that does nothing but traumatise him? If online school works, and is what he needs right now, then I guess we have to accept that and let him be at home. We have tried CBT, tried “resilience” building for a year of forcing him in every day, tried baby steps in a new school, and nothing has worked. But online he is doing the work, answering questions in class, engaging with the learning…so I guess we have no choice but to have him learning from home every day and hope we can work on the socialising side of things in the future when he has more capacity…I feel like crying but it is what it is and I don’t see we have any other options.

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Wishingitcolder · 16/09/2023 20:32

@Ilovechoc12 some infor here https://www.healisautism.com/amp/sensory-diet-children-autism
tbh it’s been very led by my DD trying different things out over the years that she’s liked plus her mainstream school have a great send base with stuff they can use. It varies so much for each child what they enjoy.

Sensory Diet for Children with Autism

https://www.healisautism.com/amp/sensory-diet-children-autism

Alyosha · 16/09/2023 19:37

HI OP. I had this as a school child, although not as dramatically. I had a terrible fear of my parents dying. I felt like this because it felt like everyone around me was dying - grandparents, friends, friends parents, my parents' friends...there was a bad run with several deaths when I was in year 5/6. I became terrified that my parents had died if they were even only slightly late, I was very unwilling to do after school events and I was very upset if I got home and my parents weren't there (my mum, in her wisdom, hadn't given me keys - so I went to and from school without keys until year 9 and if my mum was trapped on the tube I would have to sit on the doorstep!).

What helped - nothing but time. My parents continued to encourage me to go to events, and eventually I came out the other side, I think about year 8/9. The run of deaths receded in my mind and memory too. Best of luck, I hope your son feels better soon.

Ilovechoc12 · 16/09/2023 17:31

Sorry that for for @Wishingitcolder the note above. Thank you

Ilovechoc12 · 16/09/2023 17:30

Hi sorry to gate crash this - but how did you work out those things for your child?

I’ve got a boy diagnosed with sensory issues and a hundred other things. From an OT who is sensory trained but has never mentioned those things ….

But do you have a book you can recommend?

thank you - ps he hates peas - but maybe I’ll try sweetcorn as he likes ice! So thank you 🥰

Zib · 16/09/2023 08:37

OP you’ve had a hard road this last year - all good wishes for the new setup and I hope that it helps your ds thrive.

Mary19 · 15/09/2023 19:33

Hope all goes well next week. It is hard to give up a coveted school but it sounds like the right decision. Your Ds probably need lots of recovery time in the security of home so a low stress environment is probably key. Have you looked at autism for yourself. I know you have mentioned your own anxiety. I only mention it as I was diagnosed after my older Ds. I think it has helped both DS to know I was also autistic. Of course I don’t know you so could be irrelevant. Anyway good luck Monday

Wishingitcolder · 15/09/2023 17:15

Also have a look at “sensory diet” it’s not necessary food Stuff it’s things your child may need to do during the day to get sensory feedback. My DD likes spinning, balance board, a stretchy body sock, hanging from monkey bars plus eating frozen peas… all very random but it helps her to regulate herself. She’s very academically bright but struggles to keep that focus all day without these regular sensory breaks at school.

Wishingitcolder · 15/09/2023 17:13

@usernamebore if you haven’t already do have a look at Dr Naomi Fishers social media and “missing the mark”. They write about many of the issues you have mentioned. Does you son like online gaming? My Dd plays Roblox with her friends online often whilst on a phone call with them at the same time. They are all Autistic girls chatting away playing these random games but it’s done wonders for her feeling “socially” connected.
For clothes M&S do some sensory clothes for school uniform but I mostly seek out super soft fabrics & waist bands for my DD. We like the heattech thermals from Uniqlo they are really soft but comfy.

usernamebore · 15/09/2023 16:24

@Ilovechoc12 @TheOutlaws Thanks both. It is fascinating for me to read this thread back now. I think, like many people, I really did not understand what autism was, particularly the less "typical" ways it can present (it was reading something from the Autistic Girls Network in particular which was a lightbulb moment for me). My spectrum comments upthread make we wince now I have actually done some reading on the subject...In my defence, I was also being thoroughly gaslit by his therapist, who basically told me, when I raised possible autism concerns back in February, that that was just my catastophising anxiety playing up, and I was wrong. That fact that she knew nothing about ASC, and was fleecing us for huge amounts of money per session where she was doing very little, didnt help either.

Since we got the diagnosis, and learnt more about it, it is as obvious to us as it was to some people in this thread....The fact that we just got his new school uniform, he tried on the sport polo and immediately started crying because it was so painfully itchy, says it all really. And now we know to email the school immediately and to find alternatives, rather that telling him to suck it up....

We worry, of course, about being at home all day 4 days a week. Not least because there is a side of him that is getting a bit misanthropic (other people suck etc) and agoraphobic (I think he would just sit on his bed inventing new pokemon creatures all day if he could), which might not be helped by that set-up. But ultimately, last year was traumatic for him, and he needs time to get himself together and rebuild. To be fair to him, I think most people suck too...

Monday will be interesting for us all, and I am sure there will be a fair bit of anxiety about the new school, new teachers etc, not least because so much is unknown and uncertain, but hopefully after a couple of weeks we will get into the new routine.

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Wishingitcolder · 15/09/2023 15:14

Sorry to hear he didn’t settle but glad you can move forward now post diagnosis and hopefully the hybrid school will work. I wish we could do that my DD is same age struggling in a mainstream even with huge amounts of support and on a very reduced timetable but has just secured a EHCP.

TheOutlaws · 15/09/2023 14:59

Hi OP, good to read your update. I hope the hybrid approach is working for your DS.

I first read your thread last year and your initial post immediately flagged up autism in my mind. I work with children with EBSNA (school avoidance) and they all have autism diagnoses, it’s the one thing they have in common with each other. It seems to have worsened considerably since Covid; perhaps because parents are working from home more?

Additionally, I just wanted to mention that GAD is highly correlated with autism. I have friends with GAD diagnoses who I think would benefit from an autism assessment.

I wish you all the best and hope your DS goes from strength to strength.

Ilovechoc12 · 15/09/2023 14:43

Oh well done to pull him out OP.

You have a really bright lovely boy - I’m sure this new school will be the making of him and if not there is still lots of other options.

He will be very appreciative in a few years that you’re not forcing him into an environment that’s not working.

Yes NT staff / schools just don’t understand it (they try on mental health days 😂 and do nice insta posts) but If you haven’t lived with a ND person you have no bloody idea what stress they are under / the family.

I wish him the very best and for all your family to enjoy your time
together.

please keep us updated 👍 I hope once he is settled everything will be good.

usernamebore · 15/09/2023 14:09

@Zib Thanks - we ended up pulling him from his school at the last minute just before term started, as they unfortunately really just did not seem to get it. Lots of "well in the real world he will have to learn to deal with xyz so we need to make him do it etc", which is just stupid. We also received advice from a number of autism specialists that his particular profile (which means he gets very overwhelmed on a sensory basis, to the extent it is physically painful for him, for example) meant that a big, noisy secondary would never work and there was real danger of his mental health declining rapidly. He had started scratching and pinching himself and we were seeing a lot of scary signs of wider anxiety and trauma, so needed to act fast. We are starting at a hybrid school next week where he will be in one or two days a week and at home the rest doing online lessons, in small classes and in a much smaller school which has a lot of experience dealing with ND kids. We still have a long way to go, and he is still really anxious about starting at his new school on Monday, but hopefully it will be for the best.

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Zib · 14/09/2023 18:41

Hi OP, I’m not sure why, but I thought of your ds today as our dc are both in year 8 now. I hope year 8 is going as well as possible for you all. Brew

fedupallthisrubbish · 23/07/2023 07:24

If your child likes routine and very fixed I'd be buying ASD books.

If your child highly anxious - very demand avoidant / sensory - I'd be buying books under the topic pda. I've literally got hundreds these are my favourite

Laura Kirby pda
Clare Truman
Eliza fricker
N. Fisher

Instragram - missing the mark.

Good luck - don't push too hard his mental health will break. Then it will take months / years to get out of burn out.

Sometimes school isn't worth it ..... as there is other options

Did he get tested for adhd too? Sometimes go hand in hand and you can medicate to help for that ....