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Year 9 - 2022/2023 Support Thread

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QueenMabby · 23/08/2022 17:25

Hi
Having got a lot out of the thread for my ds who's just finished year 11 I though I'd start one for anyone wanting support/chat about dcs in year 9 from September.

Some schools will be starting GCSE syllabi this year and for those that don't there'll be options later in the year.

I have a dd starting year 9 in September. Her favourite subjects are languages and chemistry. We've not taken gcse options yet - that joy is to come.

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NotDonna · 22/10/2022 03:24

The triple v double v combined science is an interesting one. Ours aren’t set for anything other than maths. So they can choose whichever. My other two DDs did triple as it was the norm and they didn’t need another slot. DD3 isn’t science orientated so I was thinking she’d prefer combined (all three sciences but less in depth giving 2 GCSEs) but school has switched to double science (two full in depth sciences rather than all 3), meaning she’d need to choose 2 and drop one. Nightmare decision as it changes daily to which of the three she detests the most 🙄She doesn’t really need the extra slot so she’s now thinking triple. And possibly fail all three It May well be worth you checking your schools if it’s combined or double. As I’d just assumed everywhere did combined if 2 GCSEs.

NotDonna · 22/10/2022 03:12

@QueenMabby Our school used to grade 9-1 from yr9 onwards (I’ve two older ones). Some teachers used to give a grade as ‘if they sat the exam today’ whilst others would grade ‘what they think they’d get if continue as are’. So no standardisation and to be fair I think that’s pretty hard for a teacher to predict. Now my elder two have done GCSEs neither approach was very accurate. New head and all changed, so DD in yr9 has numbers 1-4 relating to organisation, homework, acting on feedback and another dimension, which I now can’t recall. I’m not sure how useful this is as I’ve not got my head around it yet. After 3 kids I’m no longer sure how reliable these reports are. Teachers must hate them but parents will always want them. Myself included. You can’t beat proper feedback as in Johnny needs to do x, y, z to improve but there’s too many kids to expect that from teachers every time.
I quite like our end of year reports that give each subject’s exam results as a percentage rather than a grade. It also states the median percent of the year group per subject. I find this quite useful as know from previous GCSE results where the median lies. It usually contains a written element per subject outlining what’s gone well and what hasn’t. But these are in July and last day of year so forgotten about by the time September rolls in.

QueenMabby · 17/10/2022 18:04

Thanks @DataColour. She is pretty academic and usually gets top grades in pretty much everything (except sport. She's crap at sport! 🤣). This is the widest spread of grades she's ever had so it'll be interesting to see how she reacts to them.

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DataColour · 17/10/2022 13:50

Thanks for the welcome!

DS is disorganised and also doesn't read a task properly or does the minimum he can get away with (he can't get away with it now!). He doesn't actively dodge homework, he could just do better!

Your DD sounds very academic QueenMabby I understand the frustration with different teachers marking work in different ways. My DH who has been a seconday teacher for nearly 20 years say that they just make up the grades at this stage and progress isn't a linear plot it's usually a scatter diagram!

Thatsasmashingblouseyouvegoton · 17/10/2022 12:29

The crack down issue is basically because ofsted are now catching up on inspections after covid and the DofE made their remit much broader and its far more difficult to obtain a good grading.

The DofE have explicitly stated that they want all schools to be in a MAT by 2030 and putting schools into requires improvement/special measures enables the RSC to to put those schools into MATs of their choice - the school get no say.

I imagine all schools are cracking down on behaviour, uniform and attendance.

QueenMabby · 17/10/2022 12:16

Welcome @DataColour.

Sorry to hear your ds is having a bit of a tricky time. I think many schools really start cracking down from year 9. I'm sure he'll learn as the year goes on. Is he a homework dodger or is it just that he's a bit disorganised?

Re options knowing what he doesn't want to do is a good start! My dd not doing art/DT/computing but like your ds likely to do all three sciences and music.

It's half term for us and we've just had grades. They're a farce. They've moved to grading achievement from 9-1 like GCSEs but don't seem to have any standardisation across teachers in the year group.

Dd got a 6 in Latin. Her Latin teacher said she would not be awarding anything higher than a 6. So far so good. This has not applied to other subjects however. She got a 9 in Biology. She's excellent at biology, but probably stronger at Latin. It's so frustrating. I will be emailing in to the school to point out that this lack of standardisation across the year group has rendered the grades effectively meaningless. This doesn't really matter this early in the school year but does need to be looked at sooner rather than later I think.

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DataColour · 17/10/2022 11:51

Hi, please may join in?

I have a DS in year 9 (and a DD in year 8 in the same school!) and things are a bit wobbly so far.
He's been in detention quite a bit for various reasons not all of them completely justified. His school is really clamping down on homework etc, no second chances.
We haven't had the options talk yet. DS knows what he wants to drop but doesn't know what he wants to choose!
He definitely doesn't want to do art and history.
RE is compulsory in his school (not a religious school so we are not happy about this.
He's technically minded, so I think he should choose triple sciences if he can. DH and I are both scientists (DH is a science teacher) so can support him if necessary. He'll definitely do music GCSE has he's doing grade 6 piano, so in with a good chance.

icanbewhatiwant · 13/10/2022 08:03

@Thatsasmashingblouseyouvegoton I don't think ds1 regrets triple. But he wasn't keen on chemistry. He could still have done biology at A level with double science. So I guess the 3 aren't always needed. Maybe if they want to go to medical school or be a vet then 3 may be better. Ds2 really likes politics, I'm surprised he didn't want to study history with politics at university. He started with history and philosophy, but dropped the philosophy.

QueenMabby · 12/10/2022 22:17

That is a shame @MissyB1 - contrast that with my ds who had to take a language. He hated every minute, got a 4 (rest of GCSEs were 8/9) and it was a pointless waste of his time!

I wish he had been able to drop it.

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Thatsasmashingblouseyouvegoton · 12/10/2022 22:17

icanbewhatiwant · 12/10/2022 22:02

Every 2 weeks Ds has Q group where they learn something new. His class are learning Russian. Thats definitely different. But he will only take one language at gcse. They can only do triple science if in top set at our school. Ds1 did triple science. He then went on to study biology at university. Ds2 did double science as he wasn't so keen on the sciences, he is doing a history degree. Ds3 enjoys science like ds1.

Ds1 did triple and regrets it.
He's doing history and politics at University.

QueenMabby · 12/10/2022 22:15

Russian sounds interesting.
DD's favourite subjects are languages and science.
I have a ds in sixth form doing maths physics and chemistry but he loathed languages!

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MissyB1 · 12/10/2022 22:15

My ds did Spanish French and Latin last year. This year he dropped Spanish. He says he’s going to drop all languages for year 10. They don’t have to take a language at GCSE, personally I think it’s a shame because he’s fairly good at French, but it has to be his choice.

icanbewhatiwant · 12/10/2022 22:02

Every 2 weeks Ds has Q group where they learn something new. His class are learning Russian. Thats definitely different. But he will only take one language at gcse. They can only do triple science if in top set at our school. Ds1 did triple science. He then went on to study biology at university. Ds2 did double science as he wasn't so keen on the sciences, he is doing a history degree. Ds3 enjoys science like ds1.

QueenMabby · 12/10/2022 21:56

Hi @icanbewhatiwant and welcome!

We will take options March time I think. Spanish is the main language for DD's school and then they have to pick a second from French or German in year 8 but they only have to carry one forward to gcse.

Dd does Spanish and German (and Latin and Greek!) and wants to take both at gcse. Also all three sciences - our options are all three as individuals or combined science (double? Takes up two slots anyway).

Our school only sets for maths - otherwise classes depend on options.

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Thatsasmashingblouseyouvegoton · 12/10/2022 20:01

Gcse options here are chosen in January

They are called "buckets" here (no idea...)

icanbewhatiwant · 12/10/2022 19:52

I have just seen this thread. I hope it's ok if I join. I've been on 2 great threads for several years for my older 2 ds's. On both threads everyone has been really helpful and supportive and non judgmental. This thread looks very similar. There seems so much to discuss as they progress through options, then exams, 6th form and onto university or whatever else they choose to do. My oldest Ds has just graduated. Ds2 started university this sept. Ds3 is in year 9. It is interesting reading how things are done differently in different schools. They don't choose options until later in year 9 at our school. So Ds hasn't thought about it much. The school teaches French and German in years 7 and 8. Ds3 learnt German but now the school have decided to drop German completely, teaching French and Spanish instead. Ds has been put in the French group, quite a few have been learning French for 2 years so Ds has to catch up. He knows he will doing gcse French. Also as he's top set science he will do triple science. But other than that we will wait to see what the options are. I know we had subjects in columns for ds1 and ds2 they had to pick one subject from each column and for both of them subjects they wanted were in the same columns. So they had to do stuff they hadn't planned. So for ds3 we won't discuss it until we see what the choices are.

QueenMabby · 09/10/2022 18:21

Ooof!

May I recommend www.physicsandmathstutor.com?

They have revision cards and more importantly practice questions by topic and by exam board. Great for maths and sciences.

Dd also likes the free version of Seneca which has some gcse stuff.

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MissyB1 · 09/10/2022 17:50

Well I've just discovered ds has a Biology test on Wedenesday, which he hasn't mentioned and hasn't done any revision for. This resulted insome serious chat (from me), lots of huffing, puffing and eye rolling (from him), and now he's in his room on Bitesize looking at that topic!

Jeez it's bloody hard work sometimes!! I need a lie down!

QueenMabby · 09/10/2022 17:30

@Circleoffifths - physics. Bloody difficult and v high grades needed but he's capable if he puts the work in!

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Circleoffifths · 08/10/2022 20:44

GCSE options will be in Feb for us too. Although once all the compulsory subjects are taken, it only leaves 2 free choices. At the moment DS is saying he would like to take music but is not clear on the second choice.

That’s exciting @QueenMabby - uni open days already. What subject would your eldest like to study?

QueenMabby · 08/10/2022 17:15

@MissyB1 - my fingers are firmly in my ears and I'm shouting la la la as loudly as I can over options. Dd won't need to select hers until Feb/March time but I know it's going to be a stressy nightmare!

@Circleoffifths - hope the sixth form visit goes well. My ds is in lower sixth and went to a local uni for their open day today. I'm not ready.

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Circleoffifths · 08/10/2022 16:32

DS is still keeping up a steady rate of detentions 😬 for not doing homework.

Although to be fair to him, he does also collect a lot of credits for the quality of the work that he is doing. It’s a pity that the credits don’t cancel out the corrections but the system doesn’t work like that.

There’s an open day for a 6th form next Saturday and DD (in Year 11) can’t make it. So am taking DS instead to give his sister the low-down. Have told him he needs to look tall 🤣.

MissyB1 · 08/10/2022 15:52

We have been trying to get our heads around the GCSE options and what ds is going to probably pick. Trying to keep his choices as wide open as possible, as he doesn’t have a firm idea about what he will do post A Level.
It’s a lot to think about!

QueenMabby · 08/10/2022 15:05

Well hormonal strops averted today by Latin homework which was to write a curse tablet.
DD's had a lovely time translating some very detailed curses into Latin which has made her feel much better (much to the relief of the rest of us!).
We get half term grades in a couple of weeks and dd says they'll be based on gcse grades for the first time so that'll be interesting. Haven't heard anything from the school about it though.
How are everyone else's dcs doing? Can't believe the first half term is yearly done!

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Chevyimpala67 · 01/10/2022 12:58

QueenMabby · 01/10/2022 12:26

Year 9 is tricky. My dd is facing the possibility of not doing a humanity at gcse because she doesn't have enough "slots". We're going to have to discuss with school but I'm waiting until later in the term.

I have a ds who has just started sixth form (same school so no change for him) and he's loving it. The independence and the fact that he's only studying subjects he's actively chosen has been a game changer.

It absolutely is :)

Ds1 had a spiky profile at gcse - some 8s, some 6s and some 5s. But at A level he got 3 straight As :)

They are by then - hopefully - studying their passions and it makes a huge difference ime.