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Cost of 11plus tuition London

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BlackLambAndGreyFalcon · 26/05/2022 12:03

Hi,

Would anyone be willing to share how much they pay for 11plus tuition (1 to 1) in London? I've been given a price and just want to see how it measures up. (And yes, I know that the answer will be "a lot"!)

Thanks in advance!

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StrollinDownTheRoad · 16/09/2024 11:03

Can anyone suggest a fair rate for a central london 11+ in person tutor who comes to your home please? I’m thinking £60-£85 per hour but am struggling to get much of a sense. Thanks.

The university student I used advertises here. If you put in your postcode it will bring up local people who will come to your house. Look for a university student who has ideally gone through the 11+ themselves:

Superprof - Find Private Tutors & Personal Tutors for Home Tuition

Depending on where you are in London, I can also pass you the number of the guy I use as I think he still tutors as he is still at university. He lives in SW London.

Umaa · 16/09/2024 14:10

We have an English tutor and she charges 70£ for one hour of class. We enquired a maths tutor for him and she said she charges 120/hr and have to book at least a 2 hour session. So that would be 240 a class. We found it too much and didn't go for it. English was online(same rate if we opted for in-person class) and maths was in-person class.

roses2 · 16/09/2024 11:52

StrollinDownTheRoad · 16/09/2024 11:03

Can anyone suggest a fair rate for a central london 11+ in person tutor who comes to your home please? I’m thinking £60-£85 per hour but am struggling to get much of a sense. Thanks.

We used a math student from Imperial College last year who had been through the 11+ himself (this last part is really important - people who have been through it themselves know what to teach along with technique). We found him to be far better than the two older "experienced" tutors we tried via an 11+ agency. The math student charged £30/hour.

Have you got a local nextdoor website where you are? You might be able to find someone local on there.

StrollinDownTheRoad · 16/09/2024 11:03

Can anyone suggest a fair rate for a central london 11+ in person tutor who comes to your home please? I’m thinking £60-£85 per hour but am struggling to get much of a sense. Thanks.

KittenKong · 20/01/2024 16:47

DS got into StP and from what I could see they look for a ‘type’ of boy - confident, engaging, curious, sparky… he was a bit of a tigger back when he was that age and his interview went on for ages as he and the interviewer were having a good old blether about the essay he wrote on the day.

It’s advisable for the children to have interests that aren’t all academic or trying to show how smart they are (so not ‘I build combustion engines in my spare time, my goal is to discover a planet, I’m working on my pilots licence’ etc).

Something that they enjoy and are happy to talk about.

Namechangeforadhd · 20/01/2024 16:46

We've paid between £50 and £70. South West London.

FoggySpecs · 20/01/2024 16:32

My DS, got into St Paul's, and is very good at English and essentially it comes down to reading. He pushes himself all the time with what he reads, fiction, non-fiction, travel writing, cookery books, newspapers and magazines. We have a rule about reading for 20 minutes every day, usually he reads more. We did little informal comprehensions ( I don't think he realised we were doing them) on stories in the news to encourage critical thinking but it was all verbal.

roses2 · 20/01/2024 15:52

A few months ago we paid £60/hour for a math teacher from a grammar school through an agency who took 20%. He was completely unreliable and quit 3 weeks before the exams.

We then switched to a math student from Imperial College who did an amazing job. He had been through 11+ himself and knew all the content and exam techniques. He was £30/hour. He lives in SW London and happy to pass on details if you pm me.

Both face to face at our house.

Umaa · 20/01/2024 04:50

Hi, can you share your maths tutor details please ? My DS is in year 5 now and I am looking for a maths tutor for his 11+ preparations.
Thanks in advance,
Uma

asalaad · 19/11/2022 20:31

Hi,

I am someone that is starting up a tutoring business. I am a qualified secondary school English teacher and have Phd in literature from a Russell Group University. Where would you say is the best place to advertise to parents?

11plusgogo · 29/06/2022 00:03

Paying £70 per hour. We’ve decided to do an hour a fortnight with the tutor for exam prep since April and our kid does approximately 30 - 40 mins practice questions / papers around 3 - 4 times a week.

The plan is to do this up until the exams. We decided to get a tutor to help with exam technique, time management / speed and setting homework at a suitably paced level (working up to harder questions).

Our child didn’t need any catch up work on a particular subject just confidence to sit an exam which is completely new to them.

Good luck 😊

JustTryingouthere · 22/06/2022 05:49

@SandD - English is a tricky one for boys and it all comes down to practice and also comprehension (understanding).

I paid for a Tutor from End of Jan until Oct the year of Exams (probably had about 30 sessions max) and I was extremely frustrated with my tutor during the process as they where very rigid.

I worked along my son and worked on his weak spots as 1 hr a week tutoring and a bit of homework wasn't working.

I went back to basics and got him to interpret questions, taught him meanings of certain words, how to look for clues to answer questions (comprehension)

Writing- I told him no more than 1 page and focused on technique to build confidence and we started with doing one paragraph at a time until he got it.

Also planning was key so we worked on how to plan on writing a story within 4 min.

DM if you need to know anything more. My son got an amazing school I'm South London so we are happy.

KittenKong · 08/06/2022 17:33

Is he sitting the 10+ at City?

SandD · 08/06/2022 14:37

Hello lovely parents,
I have a 10 year old boy and I am aiming to get him into one of the good independent schools. Like all parents we are aiming for City of London, St Paul’s, kings college and Hamptons. He is going to a state school, very bright in maths and average in English. He has been tutoring 1-1 in English over last year but he recently did a mock for QE ( though not our target school but we wanted him to practice). He scored 80% in maths but only 50% in English- now I am very worried about it and thinking if he is benefiting from his tutor- I have helped him a lot do- lot of question papers etc and I know where the problem is… he doesn’t read the text properly. Shoukd I change his tutor? I am paying around 65/hr for his english tuition plus spending so much time and energy.. would a change in tutor at this stage help him? The current tutor is nice, praises him a lot but o just need honesty and see a good score?we recently started Atom and he gets a score of 110-130 ( once!) in english mocks and levels at 8 in english and 9 in Maths. I know it was his first mock and my son was scared too..

we have some safe school options as well but since I have worked so much with him I really would like him to get a place in one of the top school. I can’t wait for this 11+ to be over!

any advice would be deeply appreciated.

BlackLambAndGreyFalcon · 08/06/2022 14:21

Apologies all for starting a thread and then not coming back to it to update it.

I'm not really looking for a tutoring vs no-tutoring discussion as we've already decided to go down that route. Maths in particular is not my strong point and whilst obviously we will support with homework and practice at home we really need a tutor to take the lead here.

I've accepted the quote that I was given. It was £75 p/h. I was expecting around the £50 mark so I originally thought this was a little high, but I was very impressed with the tutor and I really think that my DD will both strongly benefit from her sessions and also enjoy learning with her.

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user30 · 04/06/2022 12:54

I used Tayberry.org.uk and paid £40 an hour for 1:1 on line for the first few sessions but then a booked a block of lessons and they reduced it to £35 an hour. He had about 30 lessons over a year and passed. DD is starting with the in September. If you give my name - Tara Melling - they will give me one free lesson and you don't have to pay the registration fee. The company also teaches cared for children local to them foe 11plus which made me feel less middle class guilt about the whole thing. The tutors are really fun and energetic, DS really enjoyed it and has asked to keep the sessions up after his exam.

Nowfeeltheneedtopost · 04/06/2022 12:14

@WombatChocolate I think that’s a really excellent, balanced post.

I agree that we were probably not typical. Mainly because I was not totally sold on a selective education. I went to a selective private school and, while I thrived, I have always been aware of how many of my friends emerged feeling “not quite clever enough” because they’d had years of comparing themselves only with other very clever children.

I was keen to give my DD a secondary education that would sustain her confidence in her academic abilities as well as giving her sporting opportunities (which are an important aspect of her life). That meant, for us, her taking the exam without tutoring. If she got in then it was likely she’d be “comfortable” there academically and if she didn’t then it was unlikely to be the right school for her.

But you are totally correct, a key element of the decision is what other options you have and we were extremely fortunate to have a great comprehensive option. I appreciate others may not have this.

I’m conscious I really have derailed thread and it is not all about me and my DD! I’ll leave the thread now and wish everyone making decisions re secondary schools the very best.

WombatChocolate · 04/06/2022 11:15

I would suggest that your DD had some extra prep (even if pretty limited) via school. To get the place with no prep at home or tutoring IS unusual. It isn’t impossible, as I said, but it is unusual. There will always be some exceptionally bright students who can do it cold, without having previously seen papers, but they will be a tiny number. The typical bright but not super bright student won’t get a place without any further work. So whilst it is incorrect for people to say it’s impossible to get places without tutoring, it’s also incorrect to indicate that it’s highly possible without any further prep or familiarisation.

And I think you’re right that the presence of VR and NVR can make a big difference. Those kind of Qs are the kind of thing which without familiarisation at least (and that really could be just having a go at a couple of papers so you know what the Qs look like rather than full scale preparation) you really are unlikely to perform as well as you could. The timing is so tight and the scope for basic errors is so high, that even the very clever usually need some prep to get the scores high enough for super selectives.

Of course, lots of state grammars and independents are selective, but not to this level. Even in those, most will have had some prepping from home or their previous school or tutors, but when the competition per place isn’t quite so high, there is more scope for students who are naturally bright to do well enough based on what they’ve been taught without extra input.

Its a really difficult one regarding messaging from schools and to parents. On one level, the school is right to say nothing beyond the standard school curriculum is needed and no further prep. In an ideal world, no-one would prep and it would purely be based on innate ability and intelligence and a curriculum taught equally well to all students. And yet, we know that tutoring and prepping is rife and that for lots of schools the level of competition so fierce, that for the vast vast majority of bright but not genius kids, if totally unfamiliarised and competing with those who have been tutored and prepped, they will be at a disadvantage against the competition.

There’s always a tension. On one hand many parents would like the kids to just do the exam and natural ability to win out. However, it feels high stakes to many parents, so they can’t leave it to chance and feel they must do all they can to advantage their child in a harshly competitive system - and what people do just grows every year to madness levels.

The PP whose daughter got a place at Tiffin without prepping and who actually then went to a local comp, clearly isn’t the typical parent applying to the super selective schools. For her, it seems the stakes didn’t feel so high. Perhaps several things came I to play which might not have been typical - maybe the DD being so super intelligent that concerns about being beaten by others just weren’t the concern they are for most? - maybe the fact that they just wanted to have a go and weren’t wholly sold on Tiffin, so didn’t mind too much in a place didn’t appear - indicated by the fact that they didn’t go with Tiffin once it was offered anyway but chose a local Comp?

Every year, large chunks of bright students are entered for Tiffin and other selectives who haven’t been prepped. Sometimes it’s just that selective schools weren’t on the radar of those families until late in the day and they didn’t get round to prepping. For lots, they are told their kid is bright and should ‘have a go’ and so they do that, without a strong desire for a place and therefore no huge disappointment if it doesn’t come off. Most of those entrants don’t get places. They go off perfectly happily to other schools. And then there are the rest of the entrants, who range from having had a bit of familiarisation, to perhaps a few months or year of tutoring or parental inout for an hour a week, to those who have been working for 5 hours a week or more since they were 8 or younger. The levels of desire or obsession with getting a place range from being quite keen, to totally single minded and dedicated. And it’s true that places go to families who have done some prep but didn’t put in the daft hours.

It’s such a hard thing when the 11+ is a one-off opportunity. For some families, the alternative schooling options are good and the stakes over the 11+ not so high. For others, they feel education is the route out of a lifestyle which isn’t favourable and that the alternative schooling options are poor. And people know the numbers applying per place to some of these schools and have that sense that if they want to guarantee the best chance, they really do have to put the time in.

And then there’s balancing that against family life and children being young. For many that’s a real tension. They are willing to ask their kids to do some work each week, but most people don’t want to drive their kids too hard, or create conflict in the home about the work, or build high expectations which might be dashed. It’s hard for people to balance that against the sense of 11+ being a one-off opportunity and the knowledge that lots of prepping does go on. Those who really will plan to the nth degree for years ahead and whose children have never known anything other than a hard schedule of work outside school are no doubt in the minority, but there are sizeable numbers working like that. And where do those who are bright, but have never seen a paper before or thought about the 11+ exam until the week before they take it, sit next to those other children?

For me as a parent, it felt important to hold as lightly as I could to 11+. That wasn’t easy for me, but it was important for my own and children’s sanity. I really wanted it and was prepared to do some work, but at the same time, I knew not getting a place really wouldn’t be the end of the world or opportunities. Sometimes people forget that.

3WildOnes · 04/06/2022 11:01

@Nowfeeltheneedtopost sorry i think I was getting confused with KGS who do test the whole of the ks2 curriculum. I do think your daughter is pretty unusual in gaining entry without having been tutored though. We all know that going over the stuff we have already learnt helps it stick better or we wouldn't encourage our children to revise for their GCSEs.

I know a lot of children who have gone on to Tiffin, KGS, Hampton, LEH, St Paul's...every single one of them has been heavily tutored. Either by a paid for tutor or at home by a parent. Even when I attended one of these schools, years ago, all of my classmates had been tutored.

Nowfeeltheneedtopost · 04/06/2022 10:32

@3WildOnes The Tiffin exam does NOT cover the whole of the KS2 curriculum - that’s my point. The Tiffin girls website makes quite clear the exams assume the curriculum up to end y5 has been covered. I chose to believe them. What is clear is that at stage 2 the girls need to be capable of working out what maths techniques are required to answer a question. So presumably there may be some prep that could help with that.

We honestly didn’t do anything extra at home. I should say I knew my DD was being encouraged at her primary (along with a small group of 5 or 6) to do extension questions in their maths lessons for the topics taught up to y5 (and start of y6) so i thought she would have a good chance of being able to work out how to answer the questions.

Tiffin girls only do maths and English so no VR or NVR required - I appreciate some practice of those would be helpful if the exams included.

I know OP asked about cost of tutoring and I don’t want to derail but I do think it is important we believe schools such as Tiffin when they try to make clear you really do not have to cover curriculum beyond what is taught at state primaries.

WombatChocolate · 04/06/2022 10:29

People muddle up paying for a tutor with home tutoring. Some think that unless there is a paid for tutor, getting in is impossible. There are posts on this thread that suggest this. Some forget that many parents are perfectly capable of prepping their kids for entrance exams and that actually a parent tutor is always more invested than a private tutor. Just head over to the ElevenPlysExams forum to see the posts from parents who have a military precision prepping plan, that results in their kids being in the top 5 to QEB or St Paul’s or similar. For those who have got the time and inclination to do the research, plans the activities and buy the books, they can do a great job. Lots would prefer to pay instead, because they haven’t got the inclination or confidence or don’t want to face the potential conflict with their child whilst doing it. But lots of families can’t afford tutoring and through sheer hard work get their kids in.

Regarding zero prep of any type, very few will get a place at the super selectives but quite a lot at the standard state grammars and less over subscribed independents. In every cohort, there will be a tiny number who are just so naturally super whizzy and exceptional, that given perhaps one practice paper or even none, their natural ability does just shine through. However, this will be a tiny tiny number, and most of the very bright who have had zero prep will be beaten by those who might not be quite so very bright, who have learned time management, careful checking, and are familiar with the styles of questions required to work accurately under the tight time conditions, to get the top marks, where a mark kr two can make all the difference.

3WildOnes · 04/06/2022 09:54

Nowfeeltheneedtopost · 04/06/2022 09:17

@3WildOnes Sorry, that’s just not true. MyDD got into Tiffin girls 4 yrs ago with no tutoring at all. She was at a state primary school so it isn’t accurate to say the maths goes beyond what is taught. It is those kind of comments that put families who can’t afford tutoring off from trying for selective schools.

However, I’m not convinced of the benefits of selective education anyway. My DD ended up going to a co-Ed state comprehensive which we felt had far better sports provision than Tiffin and has absolutely thrived there.

apologies for slight derail OP.

Did you honestly do not extra work at home with her? The tiffin exam covers the whole of the ks2 maths curriculum which they wont have covered at school at the time of sitting. The same as most of the selective private schools. I dont see how it is possible.

HighRopes · 04/06/2022 09:39

My dds also got into Tiffin without paying a tutor - though we did do home preparation with a mix of maths apps, past papers and DH teaching some of the KS2 maths curriculum. Maybe an hour a week for a year (whenever suited us, no fixed time) with more time per week in the autumn term before the exam. So if you can do that, you don’t need a tutor. Though a tutor would probably make it easier in some ways.

I would say, having done it twice, that if they’re ‘exceeding’ at school, it’s less the content (except parts of maths) and more the exam technique and having some idea how to answer the VR/NVR questions that they just haven’t seen before if they’re at a state primary. So I would want to know what the tutor focused on etc, and for that to match with what I thought my DC needed, as well as price.

Nowfeeltheneedtopost · 04/06/2022 09:17

@3WildOnes Sorry, that’s just not true. MyDD got into Tiffin girls 4 yrs ago with no tutoring at all. She was at a state primary school so it isn’t accurate to say the maths goes beyond what is taught. It is those kind of comments that put families who can’t afford tutoring off from trying for selective schools.

However, I’m not convinced of the benefits of selective education anyway. My DD ended up going to a co-Ed state comprehensive which we felt had far better sports provision than Tiffin and has absolutely thrived there.

apologies for slight derail OP.

3WildOnes · 02/06/2022 09:32

BearBibble · 27/05/2022 18:17

This isn't what you asked, but my experience of grammar school was that the studwnts who had been extensively tutored just to get them through the door.l really struggled with the rest of the curriculum. The point of the grammar school system is to give all students the chance to thrive in an environment that plays to their strengths. There's no shame in not going to a grammar school, and the cost in terms of children's mental health of never quite measuring up to their peers, always being at the bottom of the class, struggling to follow the lessons etc can be really significant. Those same students could be thriving in a secondary school.

This is said a lot on here.

In my experience, the only children who get into the top London private and grammar schools have been heavily tutored and all seem to thrive once there. I don't see how you could pass the maths tests without being tutored, they all seem to go far beyond what is taught in a state primary.

The well regarded tutors in my part of SW Londin seem to charge £60ph.