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Ds attacked on the street. Police called.

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GazeboLantern · 13/05/2022 21:11

Ds is in Y10. After school today a group of boys from his year attacked him on the street. He was knocked down and punched and kicked. Fortunately ds does not seem badly hurt.

This was in front of witnesses, both from their school and strangers, and the attackers tried unsuccessfully to hide their identities. An unknown adult intervened and rescued ds. The police were called but did not attend. Apparently the police told ds they would contact us in the next couple of days. Ds returned to his school, and told his HoY.

Ds suspects he was targeted because he is a prefect and tried - legitimately - to stop some teenagers going into an area where they normally are permitted but today were not.

What would you expect to happen next?

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Tamzo85 · 15/05/2022 16:54

GazeboLantern · 15/05/2022 12:09

Luckily our school does take these incidents seriously, in school and out. There is also a police liaison officer attached to the school. The HoY has always said he will work with the police on this.

Ds does not have a history of aggression. Quite the contrary - he was bullied a lot.

Ds did not exceed his authority as a prefect. I was unclear in my OP. The prefect incident happened in school, the out of school attack was probably a consequence.

@GazeboLantern

Isnt that the danger of prefects though? That them having authority over other kids and using it (even when it’s appropriate) will lead to this kind of thing?

Really wouldn’t be encouraging your son to tell rougher boys to follow the rules or pull them up when they break them, even if the school has been foolish enough to advise him that it’s ok to do so.

To those types of kids they don’t care about prefects whatsoever, they just take it as someone challenging them. Which is why discipline is better left to teachers.

GazeboLantern · 15/05/2022 12:09

Luckily our school does take these incidents seriously, in school and out. There is also a police liaison officer attached to the school. The HoY has always said he will work with the police on this.

Ds does not have a history of aggression. Quite the contrary - he was bullied a lot.

Ds did not exceed his authority as a prefect. I was unclear in my OP. The prefect incident happened in school, the out of school attack was probably a consequence.

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Lemonleaflicker · 15/05/2022 12:04

@Rory2910 but simply doing nothing surely gives them the green light to continue to do this to this child. If the school, nor police so anything then where is the deterrent? And yes my sons have been confronted by a pupil who was previously at their school who was now in a PRU so we are not immune to this situation.

Maybe it is different in your area, maybe it is different for the OP with regard to school and these particular children. My youngest son has been a target since he started secondary. I certainly didn't tell him to pretend to be stupid so that these children wouldn't feel inferior to him. He also didn't brag about his grades, but kids find out what other kids got on tests.

Fortunately for us school takes a very hard line with any bullying behaviour hence why a year 11 pupil was excluded. Hopefully the OP's son's school will do the same.

Rory2910 · 15/05/2022 11:10

@Lemonleaflicker
Your assumptions only work if these are nominally good kids misbehaving in this one particular instance. Then they will be deterred if the police and/or school discipline is assessed.

However, if they are already experienced young hooligans, then it is more trouble than its worth. If you don't know what that means, let me spell it out for you. What guarantees do you have that the bad children won't take revenge in the future? What guarantees do you have they won't bring a knife next time? Again, his job is to get into university and not to become entangled with these people for the remainder of his secondary education.

Let me ask you this: is the school going to take responsibility now for what happened? Of course not. They will say prefects are not mandated to jeopardize their physical safety for the sake duty.

I understand the moral repugnancy of this act. But going forward, the parent of the assaulted child must put his future long-term interests first. The police prefers this kind of thing to be handled by the school, and the school prefers the police to handle it. Educating the bad children isn't his nor his mother's job. Educating himself is.

Lemonleaflicker · 15/05/2022 10:37

@Rory2910 being a prefect is not something universities give a hoot about. If those shitheads had gone to an area they weren't supposed to the prefect would have also have been in trouble for allowing them to do it.

Of course he should be able to carry out his duties without some children feeling entitled to physically assault him. The quicker these children learn that you cannot go through life punching people you disagree with the better. And maybe a talk from the police is what they need.

@GazeboLantern I am sorry this happened to your son. The fact that they were in uniform and their behaviour witnessed by the general public may be all the school needs to be able to impose some sanctions. My child was attacked in school and despite being year 11 the child was excluded, had a return to school meeting where our impact statement was read aloud, and when he did return he was put in isolation for several days. It was more than we had hoped for but this did take place in a classroom.

Some schools have a police liaison officer who deals with incidents such as this. Have a look at the school's website to see if you have anything like this listed. I think we googled it. When you do speak to school or see them ask them what they are putting in place to safeguard your son whilst in school from these boys.

Rory2910 · 15/05/2022 09:47

Your son should have been more judicious about enforcing his duties as prefect. Being prefect is for his own personal good and university application; not to literally go around policing other children (and hence assuming the liabilities of the adults). That is a fool's errand.

If the background of your son and his assailants are stark, I would advise proceeding very carefully. After all, his ultimate objective is to get to the university he desires. Nothing else matters.

Oblomov22 · 14/05/2022 16:45

Why have you not called the police today? Please do so. And the you can email the school tomorrow with the police reference number.

carefullycourageous · 14/05/2022 16:17

GazeboLantern · 13/05/2022 23:26

I asked ds: he was not given any crime reference number.

Have you rung the police yet? The crime needs to be reported properly and you need a crime reference number.

WhatsThatNoisee · 14/05/2022 12:02

The type of people that do these things won't learn. The best thing is to pursue the police dealing with it. The sooner violent offenders have a record started, the sooner they'll be taken off the street before they end up curb stomping, stabbing or bottling someone.

Tamzo85 · 14/05/2022 10:08

I’m sorry for you that must have been a shock. However I have to be honest and say if he wasn’t seriously injuries almost certainly nothing much will happen now - the police will just think of it as a school kids fight but out of school (as a lot of fights between school kids happen then). They’re also not going to throw the book at first time underage offenders for fighting with school peers.

Honestly I think this is the kind of thing which makes giving prefects authority to tell other kids what to do such a bad idea. There are rough kids and they don’t take being bossed around by another school peer who they otherwise would never listen to well. It’s a beating from a bully or two just waiting to happen I’m afraid.

GazeboLantern · 14/05/2022 10:03

Thanks, Felix125.

I wonder whether a uniformed talking-to in front of their parents would scare these brats into behaving themselves - or thrill them.

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Felix125 · 14/05/2022 04:08

If it happened outside of the school, then it will down to the police to pursue it - the school can (and should) put safeguarding in place whilst he is at school however.

If the attack was over and the suspects had fled the scene, it would be downgraded from an emergency - this is why the police did not attend and will see you in the next few days.

It should have been cirmed (or 'skeleton' crimed) from the initial call. They now need to speak to your son to get his account. It will depend on how far you son wants to pursue the matter. The police would look to prosecute and get them to court - although there are various 'out or court disposals' which will come into play. If it goes as far as court, there may be a chance he will need to stand in court to provide his evidence (all sorts of help & support if it happens - so don't worry). Or would he be happy with 'words of advice' or some sort of restorative justice in stead. Youth offending team will also become involved.

Don't forget you can access you local victim support services for help & support too.

alexdgr8 · 14/05/2022 02:15

sorry for the repeats; the site has been misbehaving. again.

GazeboLantern · 13/05/2022 23:26

I asked ds: he was not given any crime reference number.

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winterchills · 13/05/2022 22:33

That's awful your poor boy. Kids can be horrible I would be livid!

GazeboLantern · 13/05/2022 22:22

BlueOverYellow · 13/05/2022 22:20

OP, are you in South Cambridgeshire?

No

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allboysherebutme · 13/05/2022 22:21

I'd make it my business to find out where they all lived and go around to the parents and say if they ever hit your son again, I will come around and do the same to you. X

BlueOverYellow · 13/05/2022 22:20

OP, are you in South Cambridgeshire?

alexdgr8 · 13/05/2022 22:17

do you mean that he tried to prevent them entering somewhere outside school grounds ?
that seems rather foolhardy, esp if there are a group of them.
ok to state a rule, but tell him not to put himself in danger by antagonising an unruly group in an area where he has no back up.
i may have misunderstood the situation. sorry this happened. hope he's ok. is it worth being a prefect if makes him a target. i would keep my head down and avoid trouble.

GazeboLantern · 13/05/2022 22:15

I was wondering why you do not ask your DS for the reference number now.

He's in the bath.

I've taken photos of his bruises.

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alexdgr8 · 13/05/2022 22:03

do you mean that he tried to prevent them entering somewhere outside school grounds ?
that seems rather foolhardy, esp if there are a group of them.
ok to state a rule, but tell him not to put himself in danger by antagonising an unruly group in an area where he has no back up.
i may have misunderstood the situation. sorry this happened. hope he's ok. is it worth being a prefect if makes him a target. i would keep my head down and avoid trouble.

FT96 · 13/05/2022 22:00

I hope your son is okay, such an horrible incident! Maybe try to follow up with the police yourself and talk to the school on Monday. They will have to do something about it.

carefullycourageous · 13/05/2022 22:00

GazeboLantern · 13/05/2022 21:55

do you mean that he tried to prevent them entering somewhere outside school grounds ?

No, that was in school. The attack was off school grounds.

I can't talk to the school until Monday. Gives me a few days to work out what we need to do. We have never had anything involving the police before.

I expect the police did not attend because both ds and the rescuer stranger spoke to them and stated that the attackers had fled and ds was not seriously injured.

Ds hasn't said anything about a crime reference number (I'll ask him later on).

Sorry I forgot it is Friday Hmm

You should still phone the Police and I would email school now as this is very serious. The Head can read it over the weekend - send it direct to them not reception etc.

Are you very shocked? I was wondering why you do not ask your DS for the reference number now. It is best to get on with things really. You need to speak to the Police to be clear what is happening next. If nothing is happening next - you need to ask them why not.

Secrettoday · 13/05/2022 21:58

At our school it would be investigated and the attackers suspended/excluded. We’ve had 2 such incidents in the last week!

GazeboLantern · 13/05/2022 21:55

do you mean that he tried to prevent them entering somewhere outside school grounds ?

No, that was in school. The attack was off school grounds.

I can't talk to the school until Monday. Gives me a few days to work out what we need to do. We have never had anything involving the police before.

I expect the police did not attend because both ds and the rescuer stranger spoke to them and stated that the attackers had fled and ds was not seriously injured.

Ds hasn't said anything about a crime reference number (I'll ask him later on).

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