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I am thinking of letting DS miss his umpteenth secondary school test tomorrow am I crazy?

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citylover · 11/01/2008 11:10

DS1 is in year 6.

I live in an innner london borough where the secondary schools are very variable. All the four good local ones we have applied for are very oversubscribed and there is a very slim chance he will be allocated one of those, it's a complete lottery. For his first choice they are actually (from this year) operating a lottery system within their inner catchment area as opposed to a catchment area alone - we live 5 minutes away!!

In a panic and to try to cover all eventualities I put down two rather random grammar schools on the outskirts of London.

DS is very bright but to be honest I don't think he is suited to the grammar school environment, he would be better suited to a local comprehensive school.

And as I was forced to go to a fee paying school on a scholarship and hated it I am very aware that however good a school is you won't thrive if you hate it! However my situation was slightly different in that my other option was a really good state grammar school where 70% of my classmates went to. I was the only one from my school to go to my secondary school.

When he sat the test at the first grammar school he hated the school. The second one tomorrow is not quite as traditional as the first but it is still highly selective and his chances of getting in there also slim. I know one boy from his nursery who got in and if my DS was offered at that school then he could travel with him. It's about a 20 minute train ride plus a bus at this end.

He has sat so many tests for each different schools - he has sat 5 to date plus the banding tests at school. The selection tomorrow is 5 hours fgs they have asked them to bring a packed lunch.

I haven't had him tutored but he is now used to the format of the 11+.

I am feeling inclined to say that he doesn't need to sit the test and just hope for the best (which is all you can do anyway with the current system) because really we would like a local school.

However I am so worried that he will be offered a place at one of the really bad schools in the borough and they are bad by any measure believe me despite their spin. We are talking gangland and really low A-C scores at GCSE. But by not going tomorrow our odds of this won't really increase much.

It is alleged our LEA operates social engineering whereby they offer places at the less successful schools to people in the more affluent successful parts of the boroughand vice versa.

What a mess!!

At least as we rent we do have the option of moving but
am very very reluctant to do that as I know people around here - have lived here for 15 of my 20 years in London and I really love this area. I am also very close to my work. And DS2 is happy in primary school.

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LadyMuck · 11/01/2008 11:26

Has he had a chance to see the school yet (is it one of the Sutton ones?).

Tbh I think that he needs to be part of this decision. If he really doesn't want to do it then I would not push him as he'll probably just flunk the papers. But tbh I would want him to be able to make an informed decision.

Ds1 is far from that stage yet, but when the time comes he will be shown the default school (which actually there is absolutely no way that I would ever let him go to, but he needn't know that) as well as the others where selection etc may be required.

If he hasn't seen the school, then the decision is down to you really. You wnt a good comp, but you're not guarenteed to get it. Even if he passes the test you can still apply for the comp and have the grammar as a back-up (though not sure that you'll get the grammar if it is 2nd place). If he doesn't take the test or takes and doesn't pass then you're left hoping for a good comp. Even if you move then there is no certainty of getting into a good comp as you will have missed the admission deadline?

marina · 11/01/2008 11:18

I am 99% sure you live not far away from me, citylover, all this sounds depressingly familiar. Especially the bit about social engineering and place offers.
Are you in L or G and are the random grammar schools in B I wonder?
Where we live the secondary schools are dire - we are offically bottom of the London league table as of yesterday.
I think I am better placed than you in that we gave up on living somewhere nice a while back and moved to a part of the borough within catchment area of the neighbouring borough's grammars.
Tbh I would still send him to sit the test. Has he visited the school in question and did he like it any better than the other one? I ask this because although they are all good, my local grammars do vary widely in style and atmosphere, with one being quite refreshingly Bohemian and lively, and others...well...not. Much more trad and "honours board" ish.
If your local schools are as crap as you say, and I can well believe it, I would keep as many options open as you can now and fingers crossed for the lottery result.