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Head of NLCS left suddenly?

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dreadingthetime · 30/04/2022 22:09

Can current parents shed light on this please?

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TimWasMeanToMe · 22/11/2022 07:40

bjmin · 25/07/2022 20:42

No, that table is national, it's not just London.

No it was just london.
This is a screenshot of the top 10 national independent schools for grade inflation in 2021.

Head of NLCS left suddenly?
Mulholland82 · 21/11/2022 14:24

New head was appointed recently - Vicky Bingham. Anyone have anymore info on the reasons for Sarah Clark’s departure? It was quite sudden and a fair while after the grade inflation so it definitely isn’t just because of that.

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bjmin · 04/09/2022 08:33

Jm69 · 27/08/2022 23:35

Has anyone seen a breakdown of a level and gcse exam results for nlcs for 2022 cohort? Website is incredibly vague and just congratulating students but no actual results cited. I am a current parent and have not received any communication from the svhool regarding this years results. All seems a bit odd especially after the recent grade inflation during covid.

That's a good question. Most likely after the national attention they received last year and the head's departure, they are wisely trying to keep a low profile. With the change in head, it might be a good idea to refocus the school on a more well-rounded goal instead of solely exam results.

TurquoiseJungle · 29/08/2022 18:47

I think some of the private schools in groups like HMC or GSA all agreed to not release results at this point and be vague.

I noticed a few other top schools who usually give full glowing breakdowns being oddly vague.

Xenia · 29/08/2022 18:13

..last year..

Xenia · 29/08/2022 18:13

They may have decided given last year's debacle to do san Eton and not release the results other than the IB results where I think they give a bit more detail for 2022 (my daughter went there and it IS a good school, no matter what was done last years badly about TAGs).

DorotheaDiamond · 29/08/2022 17:45

I'm an ONL and was wondering the same! DD's current (private) school actually had better results this year than last year!

Jm69 · 27/08/2022 23:35

Has anyone seen a breakdown of a level and gcse exam results for nlcs for 2022 cohort? Website is incredibly vague and just congratulating students but no actual results cited. I am a current parent and have not received any communication from the svhool regarding this years results. All seems a bit odd especially after the recent grade inflation during covid.

bjmin · 25/07/2022 20:42

KingscoteStaff · 24/07/2022 09:56

@pkim123 Is that the list of top inflation for just London schools?

No, that table is national, it's not just London.

KingscoteStaff · 24/07/2022 10:01

Oh bother it hasn’t reposted the chart in your message - I’m talking about the info you posted on the Ist page of the thread - 2/5/22.

KingscoteStaff · 24/07/2022 09:56

pkim123 · 02/05/2022 08:28

Many Heads will be in the same boat, as several schools added 30-35% percentage points to their A grades. However, NLCS went far further adding over 56% points to their A grades. All schools were wrong for doing this, but NLCS just made a complete mockery of the situation. I feel for the students and parents as this really puts the school in a bad light.

@pkim123 Is that the list of top inflation for just London schools?

TizerorFizz · 22/07/2022 22:23

I bet the results will still be stonkingly high and too many DC won’t have truly earned the grades as they would have done 10-12 years ago. It’s now extremely difficult to differentiate between top grade candidates for university places as most universities don’t interview.

Phineyj · 22/07/2022 20:36

Yes, I would hope some generosity with mark bands might cancel out the undoubted issues with the students not having sat GCSEs.

Although not great news that one of the exam boards is having industrial action.

Xenia · 22/07/2022 20:28

It was just awful all round - in fact in my view the pandemic was worst for those doing GCSEs and A levels than just about any other group other than those people dying of covid and those working with them.

I would hope 2022 results were similar to 2019 in terms of the percentage getting A stars.

Phineyj · 22/07/2022 20:11

Oh and there was nothing preventing students being given papers in advance where tests were used. I refused to do that as I thought it was unethical and also stupid (surely answers would have been, er, commissioned?)

Basically if one had wanted to produce evidence that 66% were working at A* standard, it could certainly have been done.

But it's the optics, isn't it, even if you don't care about the ethics?

Phineyj · 22/07/2022 20:07

I think the stat is 4% of TAGs were changed by the pathetic quality assurance. 4%!

Phineyj · 22/07/2022 20:05

I was generous but realistic with my TAGS. I was expecting there to be some sort of external quality assurance and I didn't want to risk the grades at the top by being too generous at the bottom. I put in hundreds of extra hours setting and invigilating tests and moderating.

Boy; did I get in trouble, when one of the students missed their university offer and their insurance (they made the points but not the grades).

It was a thoroughly miserable experience with no right thing to do for anyone as the guidance was so vague and useless.

I have no connection with NLCS but by God it was an awful few months.

WombatChocolate · 20/07/2022 13:11

I can understand how the over-inflating happened.

Whatever Heads at independent schools say about not being bothered by exam results and league tables, they are usually very interested in it. In 2020 which was the first year of teacher grades, the whole system was chaos. Schools were asked to submit broadly in line with previous results. Many did this and some inflated. Then after all the furore about the use of an algorithm, the grades the system had given were abandoned and instead the teacher grades were used. At that point, schools which had ignored the recommendations to go with typical ratios of grades were the ‘winners’ and their kids got the inflated grades. Some independent schools who had been much more conservative even found themselves being sued for not giving high enough grades. Their argument that they could only give X% to A* as that was their historic average didn’t hold water with parents who knew other schools had given far more and then got away with it.

So come the following year when teacher grades were again to be given, and no algorithm was even suggested, pretty much all schools over inflated. It became a question of ‘how much could you get away with’ really. Schools knew that the system wouldn’t have enough staff to seriously challenge many results, and given it was all based on whatever teachers wanted to use and how they wanted to interpret it, some schools decided to push it more than others. Knowing schools the previous year who had been conservative had ‘lost out’ or even been sued all incentivised schools to boost it higher and higher. I guess those close to the top of the league tables, who perhaps felt under pressure to try to maintain their position or rise a place or two were especially worried that if they didn’t raise them by whatever they did, that others would and they would lose out. I can totally see how it happened. Who was to say whether a 15% rise would be okay or a 60% rise or 80% rise? NLCS just happens to be the one that chose the biggest percentage rise. Would it have been acceptable if it was 35% instead? All the schools in the lists basically did it. Lots of state schools did it too and while it might not have boosted A* grades so much, the boosting of oerhaos C to B or similar was often as big a leap - but without quite so much attention.

In my view, schools couldn’t really win, and in the independent sector with parental pressure that was especially the case. If they were conservative and realistic, they would be criticised and out of kilter with others. If they were generous, they risked the attention they have got. And in reality, it was impossible to say what grade a student would definitely get. Every year over 80% of UCAS predictions are wrong - usually too generous. Schools can often suggest on a broader level what % of the cohort will get different grades, but they usually can’t pinpoint the exact students. They might be able to say that 25% will probably get A. But although they might know that 10% are pretty certain, the other 15% might come from 50% of the year group. So, in a year if teacher grades, where 50% of the cohort had a chance of an A, you’d outdone argue that 50% would be the right number to give - because essentially everyone had to be given the benefit of the doubt…as long as the doubt had some basis to it.

It will be interesting tos we what happens this time round. Will there be any attempt to suppress the results if certain types if school? That is very difficult and can be shown up fairly easily? Will the grades really be at a half way mark between 2019 and 2021? We will see. I’d suspect the generous side is more likely.

TizerorFizz · 19/07/2022 18:30

I think employers will have to introduce more complex and searching tests. Degree awards are a bit suspect too from some places.

Xenia · 19/07/2022 17:18

Yes it makes no sense to anyone who even has half a brain. Even if that year group was unusually full of the best upper sixth group ever in the country you would need some justification for it before sending in a very high load of A*s. It is very sad as it is a lovely and very good school and my daughter loved it there and did well. So I hope it can get back to normal with grades that are about right in 2022 now we have full exams again.

It is veryh complex for HR people later (I have university age youngest children) to compare years too as someone might have a gap oyear so have real 2019 A levels for 2020 entry v. someone of the same date of graduation who did no A levels and just had TAGs.

TizerorFizz · 19/07/2022 14:28

@Xenia
A* and As have gone through the roof in 12 years and universities are bound to wonder who is truly the best! The results at NLCS also show is lack of enquiring into grades before they are awarded. 90% is an outlier. So why not look more closely before results are announced? I agree. Sitting the exams would have been preferable but that would have been howled down too!

Xenia · 19/07/2022 14:18

Yes those 33 A star NLCS 2019 is right (and 50% St Paul's is high) and perhaps all those show grade inflation since my daughters did their A levels before A stars existed a good while back; but the teacher assessed grades of the last 2 years have been a big complication. I would never have cancelled public exams. All 5 of my children did GCSEs, then AS levels and then A levels. Yet in 2022 children doing A levels have not even done GCSEs never mind AS levels!

Bimkom · 19/07/2022 12:49

pkim123 · 03/05/2022 19:43

Here's the data for A* grades at all top schools, just the facts:

www.londonpreprep.com/2019/08/a-level-results-2019/

@pkim123 Thank you very much for these statistics. With all the fuss I had wondered what my DS's (private) school had done (although they didn't seem to be showing up on any of the lists of major increases I had seen in the newspapers when the scandal broke), and now I know why. Compared with what they got in 2019 compared with what is on the website, the number of A stars in 2021 apparently went up 0.8 % and the number of A star to A by 1%.
Slightly reassuring that they didn't play the system - although no doubt my DS's three A stars (plus A star EPQ) in 2021 will be tarnished by association with what went on elsewhere. That is an additional problem for the NCLS girls. Now those girls who would have got the A stars in an exam year have nothing to show for it, they will just be lumped in with those who wouldn't. Wish they had/would publicise those schools that didn't really increase instead of lumping all private schools together.

Teacher95 · 18/07/2022 20:10

Do we know any more about why they left yet?

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