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In-year application appeal

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WrenP · 30/04/2022 21:54

Could I ask some advice about making an appeal for in-year school admissions?

We have just relocated to Winchester so I can take up a job as a children’s oncology consultant, and I have applied for schools for my four children. I’ve managed to find a primary school that has places for my little two, but have unfortunately received rejection letters from all three secondary schools as they are full in both Y8 and Y10.

Our first choice has been very helpful and advised us to appeal, so I’m starting to go through the process and write supporting documents. Has anyone been through this and been successful? Any advice for what to write or what evidence to include would be hugely appreciated. It’s pretty daunting and I really want to my best for my boys as they are both getting quite stressed by the uncertainty.

Thank you for taking the time to read and respond.

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Hatinafield · 01/05/2022 23:00

The LA have a legal duty to offer a place somewhere though. What are they saying?

WrenP · 01/05/2022 21:48

Thank you, that means a lot. I feel awful about moving him in Y10 and tried really hard to avoid it.

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TOGA1 · 01/05/2022 20:18

As a fellow medic I have to support OP. There are certain specialties that really aren’t that common in terms of career advancement and you have to go where the job is. It is a situation that not many people understand or appreciate.

OP - I have no experience of your area (I am an adult oncologist and London based) but do also think for your Y10 - if no joy on appeal, an independent may be the only way to go at this point.

clary · 01/05/2022 13:56

Op I echo those who say might be best to leave oldest child where he is now...disruption at this stage is not advised. If not, please do check thoroughly the order of work they have done in all subjects. AQA MFL for example has a scheme of work, but lots of schools I imagine will work through the text book in order, which is a very different order from the SoW. Just one example, there will be similar discussions fir all subjects I imagine.

SockFluffInTheBath · 01/05/2022 13:53

Sounds like you’re in a tight spot OP. Congratulations on the new post, and good luck with the appeals.

The difficulty for your yr 10 DC is that, as pp said, even if the school is running the same subjects on the same exam board they may have done the modules in a different order to their current school- very common in subjects like science so practical kit can be rotated round the classes. The holiday tutor could help massively with that though with the right information from the school.

WrenP · 01/05/2022 12:58

I'll look at Perrins, thanks

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WrenP · 01/05/2022 12:54

Yes, I'm currently on a temporary contract and would otherwise not have a job from the end of this month. I'm the main earner. We carefully balanced our options and felt the harm to the little ones of not having a mother around for a year would be a worse option. I may be wrong, I don't know.

We were planning to support our eldest with extra tuition to fill in any gaps over the summer and in Y11 once we've secured a new school place and worked out where those gaps are.

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VioletCharlotte · 01/05/2022 12:51

@WrenP have you looked at Perrins in Alresford?

SockFluffInTheBath · 01/05/2022 12:43

PatriciaHolm · 01/05/2022 12:24

Perhaps you can move and the rest of the family stay put for a year? Moving children at end year 9, end year 11 and primary would be a much much better idea. This plan really throws your year 10 under the bus unfortunately.

I think this is your yr10 DC’s best option. What happens if you don’t take the job, is your current post a temporary contract?

redskyatnight · 01/05/2022 12:40

WrenP · 01/05/2022 12:22

Yes, pretty much all the exam boards are the same. They study the same books in English and the same periods in history. That's why we're renting within catchment.

The other thing to check is whether they are studying them in the same order. Otherwise this will still leave huge gaps. I would think very carefully about how disruptive this is to your Year 10 student. Schools are generally extremely reluctant (rightly so, IMO) to take a child in at this stage. If you have any alternative, I would take it.

Raera · 01/05/2022 12:32

Another panel member here. Just finding matching subjects may not be enough, you also have to make sure the school can timetable those subjects for your son.

PatriciaHolm · 01/05/2022 12:27

WrenP · 01/05/2022 12:22

Yes, pretty much all the exam boards are the same. They study the same books in English and the same periods in history. That's why we're renting within catchment.

I would use that as a key argument in the appeal then if you are sure it's correct - you are trying to show that the detriment to him to not attending is greater than the detriment to the school of taking another pupil.

The LA should definitely offer you something though - are you already resident in Winchester?

LilacPoppy · 01/05/2022 12:25

You need to do whatever you can to pay for private for your eldest , you caused this situation it’s selfish not to. Either that or your dh home educates him.

PatriciaHolm · 01/05/2022 12:24

Perhaps you can move and the rest of the family stay put for a year? Moving children at end year 9, end year 11 and primary would be a much much better idea. This plan really throws your year 10 under the bus unfortunately.

WrenP · 01/05/2022 12:22

Yes, pretty much all the exam boards are the same. They study the same books in English and the same periods in history. That's why we're renting within catchment.

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orangeisthenewpuce · 01/05/2022 12:22

The LA legally have to offer you a school within a reasonable distance and should have done so by now.

Clymene · 01/05/2022 12:19

Does kings do the same exam board as the current school? And offer all the same subjects? Do any of the schools you're looking at do that? That should be your primary consideration.

And you only have one child in the middle of their exams so last year or even next summer would mean none of your children would be affected by the move.

WrenP · 01/05/2022 12:15

We have discussed keeping him at his existing school but we're a close family and don't want to be separated. I do feel dreadful about moving him at such a critical point in his education, but with four children to consider there would never be a good time to move. I look after children with cancer and sadly have little choice over location - this has been a very difficult decision for our family. I would also like to add I have nothing against private education.

We have applied to all 3 secondaries in Winchester and our catchment is Kings'.

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SeasonFinale · 01/05/2022 11:50

Is there any way your Yr 10 can continue at their existing school. They will be following certain exam boards and there is a high possibility a new school may not be doing the same boards. Even if they are rhey mag have taught the syllabus in a different order. Your best bet I am afraid of supporting his transition into a new setting to get the best chance of continuing with his boards may well be through the private sector. I am afraid I don't understand your comment that because he is sociable he wouldn't want a private school. Kids at private schools can be sociable just as well as kids at state schools may not be.

I too am mystified why anyone hasnt considered their child's education at this critical stage when taking a job, however important a job, and ensured a way of them finishing the stage they are at.

VioletCharlotte · 01/05/2022 11:39

I live near Winchester so know the schools quite well. Which schools have you applied to?

PatriciaHolm · 01/05/2022 11:34

Is there any way at all your eldest can finish his GCSEs at his existing school? Anyone he can stay with for a year in school time?

This is a very hard time to move him, and will undoubtedly negatively impact his exams. There is no way you are going to be able to match what he's already been studying, especially if the local Schools do a three year plan for GCSEs.

titchy · 01/05/2022 11:27

Wow. You're a medic who presumably appreciates the importance of education and you've moved at a time that will almost certainly impact very negatively on your eldest's GCSEs Shock

GiltEdges · 01/05/2022 11:19

WrenP · 01/05/2022 11:16

Private education isn't financially viable - we're paying for rent and a mortgage as our house sale is yet to complete. My eldest son is very socially minded and is adamant he wouldn't want to go to a private school even if it were an option.

Does he appreciate that, socially minded or not, he might well be going to no school at all as things stand? I'm just a bit surprised you made the move at this point in your eldest child's life. Educationally, it's one of the most crucial years.

WrenP · 01/05/2022 11:16

Private education isn't financially viable - we're paying for rent and a mortgage as our house sale is yet to complete. My eldest son is very socially minded and is adamant he wouldn't want to go to a private school even if it were an option.

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GiltEdges · 01/05/2022 11:08

Have you look at what private provision there is in your area? Could you afford to look at that as an option for your older two? I'd be particularly concerned about your Y10 and how this disruption could affect him.

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