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Help I am not sure whether I made the right choice for our DD by going to our local comprehensive

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daysem · 31/03/2022 09:29

Hello dear mums,

My DD is in an outstanding local secondary in New Malden . All our neighbours love the school but I am not sure it is the right school for my DD.
My DD took the grammar tests and some independent school tests. She was offered places in several independent schools ( not the super selective ones) but as money was tight we went with our local comprehensive, which was praised by local parents.

At the start of Year 7, my DD sat the Cats4 test and based on her Cats4 test, her school sat her targets. Her current GSCE target is 6 plus. I am aware that my DD is not a genius. She is very good at certain subjects but not a budding scientist. Still, I am a bit upset that her current school does not stretch her more and does not have higher expectations on her. I am not a tiger parent but I want the school to stretch her and not give up on her .

Here is the question, financially it would be hard but should I look into moving her to an independent school before Year 9 ( before GSCE’s) where she might be supported and stretched a bit more.

Did anyone experience this? If your child is relatively average do you think they are better off in an independent school in a small class size?

As a parent I want to make sure that she has the best opportunities and I feel like I failed her. Sorry for the really long winded message. Please be kind in your comments.

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3WildOnes · 31/03/2022 14:05

Are you sure the target is based on the Cat tests? Usually school use these tests to set the children. GCSE target grades are based on their KS2 Sats results via the DofE, I didn’t think school were allowed to set target grades themselves?

As she is happy I really wouldn’t worry and would keep here where she is settled.

daysem · 31/03/2022 13:16

Thank you @3WildOnes she made good friends and is generally happy at school. Interesting point you raise @gumballbarry it is hard to know if that’s the case? I guess we will never know.

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gumballbarry · 31/03/2022 12:29

I've no idea if this is the case by the way but...is it possible the school are measured on how many children exceed their target (and how many children fail to achieve it) so this incentivises the school to predict a lower grade then they otherwise would so the percent of children who out-petform is high?

3WildOnes · 31/03/2022 12:26

If your daughter is happy and settled at her school and has a good friendship group then I wouldn’t move her. I would probably get her a tutor a couple of times a week, one in English and one in Maths and then maybe switch up subjects as she gets older.

daysem · 31/03/2022 11:56

@thing47 very interesting. I will try to findthe DoE and the CSPAR study. It would make good Easter reading.

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thing47 · 31/03/2022 11:51

I don't really work in educational research any more (though I do still follow it from personal interest). Unfortunately, some of the more detailed studies are only open to people working in the field, but if it's a subject which interests you, there is some basic DoE research.
The CSPAR study is also worth a look.

It's quite hard to quantify the impact of various elements of the school process because they are interlinked, so isolating one factor and stripping out relating issues is not a perfect science. But the DoE paper references several earlier studies which haven't found a definitive link between class size and attainment (at secondary level, they might show a benefit at primary level) and others which reiterate the beneficial impact of good teaching. HTH

daysem · 31/03/2022 11:48

@Lockdowndramaqueen I pmd you.

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daysem · 31/03/2022 11:31

Thank you @OnTheBenchOfDoom. It was so nice to read your post. Exactly my sentiment a child’s future should and cannot be defined at the age 11. I think hard work always beats intelligence and I am pleased to hear that your Ds did so well which attests this. Thank you @thing47 it would be great to see that pedagogical research.

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Lockdowndramaqueen · 31/03/2022 11:30

I have pm’d you @daysem

thing47 · 31/03/2022 11:23

The advantages of small class sizes is often overstated @daysem. Conversely the impact of great teachers is often understated (and no, I'm not a teacher!).

Most of the pedagogical research actually shows that the quality of teaching is a considerably more significant factor – so DCs do better in large classes with a good teacher than they do in small classes with a poor one.

Of course, there are exceptions to this general rule, before anyone goes all anecdotal on me, but that's what the data shows.

OnTheBenchOfDoom · 31/03/2022 10:54

Ds1 was average, based on his SATs and CATs they placed him at a predicted flight path through school to achieve a 4/5 in English lang and a 6 in maths.

They supported and nurtured him. At home we widened his knowledge base on things they were covering in school, so for Geography they covered the Grand Canyon so we watched a couple of videos on YouTube from the National Parks who oversee the Grand Canyon. We did this alongside learning things just for fun. The internet and especially YouTube is a great resource. We played games together, watched tv shows and discussed Ross's relationship with Rachel in Friends etc etc. Learning isn't just about something you are tested on.

When it came to year 9 Ds started to get confident in his ability because he was now doing the option subjects he liked. He decided that his grades predicted from when he was 11 years old were not going to define him. He put in a little bit extra effort at home, genuinely not a huge amount and saw him achieve a grade 8 in English lang and a 9 in maths. The majority of his GCSE grades were 9s.

Life is not defined at 11 or 12. Learning is not linear. All the CATs do is give school a baseline so that they can show Progress 8 information. Learning doesn't just take place in school. Your role as a parent is just as important, supporting homework, showing an interest in what they are learning about. We never asked did you have a good day but instead my children came home and said in maths we did angles, in History we did Catholic threats in Elizabethan society etc. These things can spark conversations with them also teaching you things too.

The school has a good reputation, I would keep her there and see how she gets on. Money can be spent on tutors rather than independent schools. Also you may wish to just look at how much it may cost you to support a child going through university. You might want to save for that www.savethestudent.org/student-finance/maintenance-loans.html

daysem · 31/03/2022 09:47

Thank you for your comments. You are right the school said that she can always get higher marks but I am not sure whether they would support her in attaining higher marks. Anecdotally, I was told that the school concentrates on kids on top sets.

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ConfusedByDesign · 31/03/2022 09:37

Yes we had the same for ds1. We decided to keep him in the secondary school and just pushed him at home and used the money we saved to stretch him in other ways like tutors and travelling.
If you can afford it comfortably then I would choose the independent school.

HomeHomeInTheRange · 31/03/2022 09:32

Setting a target of 6+ does not mean that that they do not expect her to get higher, or that they will not push her to do so.