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Gcse 2021 anyone appealing?

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Cleanmean · 12/08/2021 09:43

Dc has had a rubbish year, getting covid and being off school for ages (like many others). He's just got his results and is pleased but 2 of his grades are lower than his tracked grades and may mocks. He wants to appeal but I said it'll be impossible to appeal this year as teachers will have followed the protocols very carefully and there's less margins for error. Is anyone appealing this year and if so what do you think your chances are?

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Cleanmean · 13/08/2021 20:40

Wombat- my dc sent off some queries to his school today and they emailed back to confirm they'd accept his email as a formal appeal! He's not even sure he wants to appeal but had just asking for his grades for each assessment. I think it does complicate things that we are all in uncharted territories and no one really knows what the protocol is.

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Fridaydayday · 13/08/2021 20:39

@WombatChocolate our school used the grade boundaries for 2017-2019 and there are a lot of unexpectedly low grades. Students had to sit GCSE format exams no mini assessments. Seems so unfair compared with other schools but absolutely nothing can be done about the disparity. Feel powerless and annoyed.

PlumpCushion · 13/08/2021 20:38

@WombatChocolateyrs that happened in DD’s case . I contacted them at the time of the mocks and said dd was have a difficult time and would they like to see info from outside agencies they said no as they’d spoken to DD and had all they needed. I didn’t pursue it further as I assumed that the threshold for SC has been met. Turned out the additional information was really crucial to the appeal and college had been very remiss. Try to think if there is anything the school may have been fully unaware of.

PlumpCushion · 13/08/2021 20:32

@AzPie my DD’s A levels were appealed last year (from ACD to ABC) as the college did not know that they had to apply Special Consideration themselves and factor it in to the CAG. Could it be that your DD has also be denied her special consideration? I would really research this carefully as the college didn’t even know they had to address this themselves until I told them! They then led the appeal themselves. Don’t assume the school have correctly followed procedure and taken your DDs circumstances into account.

UncomfortableSilence · 13/08/2021 20:24

Wombat should all schools be open to having this informal chat first? DDs school don't seem open to answering questions and just send the link to the appeals form?

Squidlydoo · 13/08/2021 20:10

I totally agree with everything @WombatChocolate has very eloquently said.

Another thing to add is that an appeal has two stages - the first is checking there hasn’t been an administrative error (this will be relatively straightforward but as most schools will have spent time triple checking data the success of these appeals could be rare - and May also result in grade going up or down!), the second stage requires the student to provide a narrative with evidence explaining how the school has not followed correct procedures. The JCQ form details how this should look and the acceptable grounds for these appeals. It is not sufficient grounds to say a student is unhappy with the grade given. The emphasis is on the student to provide any evidence and rationale for malpractice rather than the school. This appeals form will be sent off to the exam board with w scanned copy of the student work.

It is also important to realise as the onus is on the student to lead this process and there is no requirement for schools to defend or justify their position or grade. The exam board has also made it clear they will not remark any student work so if the evidence submitted in the portfolio matches the requirements of the process as set out in the Centre Policy, the appeal will most likely be unsuccessful. For example, a portfolio showing. A series of exam papers or assessments.

It is also really important to know that if an appeal results in a lower mark - this is the grade that is given. There is no option to revert back to the higher grade!

Understandably emotions abd feelings are very heightened and raw when our own children are the ones affected and especially if there is a perception of something being unfair. Sadly every exam process - even in normal years - can be unfair and can lead to student disappointment. I have known of students who have had exam papers remarked and gone up two grades due to marker error.

To reassure you though, I am yet to hear of a teacher or a school who hasn’t taken this year’s process extremely seriously. The vast majority of schools have spent hundreds of hours on this incredibly complex task!

WombatChocolate · 13/08/2021 19:39

It is possible to appeal on the basis of new evidence of special circumstances the school didn’t know about, so couldn’t take into account when adjusting grades. Covid cannot be the special circumstance.

In most cases, parents are very zealous in making schools aware if such cases and often report things which can’t be considered. However, some families will have things they didn’t tell the school about. It will have to be evidenced. Along with this, students will be asked if they have further work which should be considered that wasn’t part if the evidence bank. Of course, that needs to be at the higher grade level. Most students will struggle to evidence this, as schools generally used the very best examples of work….they were looking to justify the highest possible grades.

WombatChocolate · 13/08/2021 19:34

Schools had to submit their process to the Boards.

The grounds for appeal are in the process was not followed correctly.

The fact a student got X,Y,Z grades on various pieces of work, cannot tell you exactly what they will get or should get. It really isn’t a case of just averaging, but as a PP said, holistic judgement s had to be made. Boards sent schools grade descriptors which had to be applied….so for example, consistency was important for higher grades….that means not just producing a couple of pieces for higher grades. Remember, that work from across the course will have been taken into account and schools were asked to take more notice of recent work, it that wasn’t the whole picture.

Remember too there were no grade boundaries this year. Therefore, when students look at their work or think in terms of grade boundaries for an individual piece of work, or grade boundaries as they were used for previous exam sittings, this wasn’t how it worked this year. However, getting your head round this as teacher or student is quite tricky.

It isn’t always easy to know as a parent exactly what was said by teachers to students. Teachers were told not to talk grades for individual pieces of work or overall…and most won’t have, but often students seem to think they have. Even if they have, that can’t be the basis of an appeal. You need to evidence the school not following the procedures properly. Work won’t be remarked (often earlier work from the course isn’t in the schools hands but was returned to the students and cannot be retrieved) but it will all be about the processes the school used.

And lastly, one thing to remember is that schools have been extremely generous this year. Grades are significantly above the historic pattern. Schools and teachers really don’t want to downgrade students, but often were extremely (questionably too generous) generous rather than mean. No teacher wants poor results and neither does any school. So the chances of being treated meanly are actually pretty low.

In all this, having a conversation with the school/college is really important. Launching an official appeal before doing this would be crazy and in fact, the appeals process tells people to speak to their educational setting first. Conversations can help throw light in the processes used and the evidence for a particular student (and often students remember their best pieces of work and forget some of their weaker ones) and also give a sense of the cohorts performance in relation to historic averages, to help get more of a sense that meanness is extremely unlikely. Those conversations can aid understanding and help acceptance of grades which are disappointing. That’s really important.

After these conversations, some families will choose to lodge a formal appeal, but most won’t. No doubt there are some cases where it is warranted and will result in an upgrade, but it will be low numbers….and that’s not because the system is denied to prevent it, but simply that settings were extremely careful with this process and where there was any doubt were generous.

And finally, remember, that every year, large numbers if students receive grades that disappoint them in exams….this is often by several grades as well. Students might be surprised, but teachers less so. It was inevitable that some would be disappointed this year too, even in a year of large grade inflation.

Have the chats. Approach it as a query and be positive rather than critical and aggressive. All schools should have someone who is available for these chats at the moment. Look at any documentation you have and the website too and make sure you are contacting the right person to have that chat with. If you’d ant find that info, email the Head of Year or Section and the Academic Deputy to ask for help and stress you’d like that conversation in the early part of next week.

It’s all very raw at the moment and will feel better in the next few days, but it’s important to get a sense of understanding why the grades were awarded if they were a shock….and it is possible to do this, as the grades came from the school.

mumsneedwine · 13/08/2021 15:40

@BumbleMug thank you for confirming I wasn't going mad.

AzPie · 13/08/2021 14:05

I am absolutely raging Angry just been told by the school that DD was not entitled to access arrangements so none were applied...she has autism and her keyworker was well aware of her needing certain arrangements. It really feels like this is personal now, probably because I had to threaten to take them to court for disability discrimination before they would offer any real support. I thought the refusal to accept MH hospital stay and death in the family as mitigating circumstances was bad, this is unbelievable!!

HalzTangz · 13/08/2021 13:41

If the grades he got will affect him getting into college or an apprentiship then he should appeal.
If he can still progress with the grades hes I wouldn't bother with an appeal

BumbleMug · 13/08/2021 13:14

[quote Squidlydoo]@mumsneedwine

Exam boards will have contacted schools and asked the schools to moderate the marks down - particularly if the data looked completely out of step with previous years results.

The changes will have been made by the school.

Exam boards have categorically NOT changed any grades this year[/quote]
Absolutely NOT true.

2 exam boards changed our grades slightly in both directions for about 15 pupils.

mumsneedwine · 13/08/2021 13:14

Found out on Monday. Stupid predictive test

mumsneedwine · 13/08/2021 13:00

@Squidlydoo I'm afraid this is not true. A school near us has had some subjects moderated down and only doing out on Monday when received the results.

frugalkitty · 13/08/2021 12:54

Enid I agree completely. If DD's work (along with others) has been graded too generously by the teacher/department and has then been moderated down, that's fine. If she's an 8, she's an 8. Our issue is that having been firmly under the impression that she'd get a 9, being awarded the 8 is rather disappointing. Hoping for a 9 is one thing, but this is the one grade she was pretty certain about....due to the marks she'd been given and from what the teacher had encouraged her to think.

We may not pursue it, but the school need to know (especially as the same happened with DS with the same subject/teacher. He just wasn't as bothered as DD so we didn't query it then).

It's up to DD and we'll follow her lead.

EnidSpyton · 13/08/2021 12:41

[quote Squidlydoo]@mumsneedwine

Exam boards will have contacted schools and asked the schools to moderate the marks down - particularly if the data looked completely out of step with previous years results.

The changes will have been made by the school.

Exam boards have categorically NOT changed any grades this year[/quote]
Yes, this is exactly my point.

The teacher may have assessed the student as a 9.

The exam board may then have said, no, sorry, your grades are too high and you need to moderate downwards.

As such they may have been forced to adjust their grades.

If so, this is not the same scenario as a teacher saying to a student you're on a 9 and then marking their work as an 8 and submitting it as an 8.

As such anyone not happy with their grades should be checking first with the school whether they were asked to moderate downwards by the exam board. If the school were, the appeals process is going to be very different. I'm not even sure what the process would be. I'm with an international exam board in my school so can't comment with authority on the process with UK based exam boards, but I assume you'd have to appeal the exam board's decision rather than the school's, here?

worriedatthemoment · 13/08/2021 12:37

Our school did not give out any mock grades at all for last few months of mocks or assesments , sometimes they were given the raw score but that was it as they didn't want anyone assuming they were getting x, y ,b
Ds results were ok but one subject he got a 4 in he normally gets 5/6 and high marks although he was ill for the last assessment, another subject he got awarded a 5 yet normally sits at a 7, the others were where we expected, with one being a grade higher than expected. Its been a tough time for them and must of been hard for teachers too .

Squidlydoo · 13/08/2021 12:35

@Braveheart35

Lots of schools have done the same and it is good practice.
The issue with appealing this is that you have to prove the process is flawed - which may be difficult as this was the advice from JCQ. An appeal will not lead to remarking of work as the exam boards have already said they won’t do that.

Good luck though.

Braveheart35 · 13/08/2021 12:32

@Squidlydoo

Thanks for that. I should probably move this, as I’m referring to A level grades. The school didn’t write their own exams, they used the full set of locked papers from the Nov series. All students were given their marks from these mocks and told they would not be given equivalent grades, but the grade boundaries from 2019 & 18 could be used as guidance. There were no other school assessments apart from these exams.

Squidlydoo · 13/08/2021 12:27

@mumsneedwine

Exam boards will have contacted schools and asked the schools to moderate the marks down - particularly if the data looked completely out of step with previous years results.

The changes will have been made by the school.

Exam boards have categorically NOT changed any grades this year

Squidlydoo · 13/08/2021 12:24

@Braveheart35

The students should not have been told the grades achieved in any assessment since March. The school will have rightly weighted the most recent sets of mocks more heavily but ultimately the decision is a holistic judgment.

For example, final assessments will have been created by teachers, it is therefore more likely students will be better prepared for the elements with in them and it is likely would score well. Schools would be penalised and challenged by the exam board if a disproportionate amount of students secured top grades.

In normal exam series, the grade boundaries would be determined based on the performance of students. More difficult to do that this year so holistic judgments were needed. It is likely students could secure a grade 9 in an assessment and only be given an 8 or even a 7.

The other complication is that grade boundaries change year on year.

The whole process is extremely complex. If the school has managed it well, students should feel satisfied the process was fair. Even if they don’t, the processes in the background will be determined by some rationale abs grades agreed by multiple members of staff.

Unfortunately the method this year was never going to be without its problems but I still feel it is the best option for students - compared to normal exams!

mumsneedwine · 13/08/2021 12:19

@Squidlydoo exam boards have moderated students down.

MrsHamlet · 13/08/2021 12:19

I'd say that just says the mock is more heavily weighted, not that the mock is the grade.

Squidlydoo · 13/08/2021 12:18

Exam boards won’t have moderated any students down. What is more likely to have happened is the grades have been adjusted by the school to bring them more in line with previous years results.
The issue is the fact a teacher has said “you’re a 9”. We have specifically forbidden teachers from discussing grades for this very reason.

The overall grade will be a holistic judgment, not the result of one mock or assessment. This is proper and fair as takes into account the circumstances of the assessment

Braveheart35 · 13/08/2021 12:12

@Squidlydoo

That’s interesting. What if the schools proposal for determining grades (which parents were sent a copy & it was accepted & agreed by ofqual), stated

‘ The final mock exams in May should be given the very strongest consideration in determining final grades as 1. They are the most recent evidence 2. They are undertaken in the strictest examination conditions and 3. They cover the whole syllabus’.

This is A level btw. Would a student be within their rights to appeal in the basis the schools own procedures were not applied, if they were not awarded the grade achieved in the mock?

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