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Has DS’s school disadvantaged the students by the way they tested GCSES?

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Bigblueone · 10/08/2021 17:11

They didn’t do mini assessments. They did exams in the style of normal GCSEs. They had no idea what was on the papers and these were the only opportunity they had to show what they knew. DS was told they’ll give out the grades based on what a normal year (pre 2020) would receive. After today’s news I’m concerned.

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BumbleMug · 12/08/2021 22:20

[quote Bigblueone]@dancealittleclosertome the teacher said they’d not seen the results until yesterday.[/quote]
Technically the “results” wouldn’t have been seen. TAGs we’re sent off to the boards. Then the boards sent them back as “results”. There was a possibility that some could have been changed after moderation but the exams officer would have been told and SLT informed. So I suppose in theory teachers might not have been informed of any changes. But changes should be rare, previously discussed and unlikely if the sampling was approved.

Bigblueone · 12/08/2021 22:16

@dancealittleclosertome the teacher said they’d not seen the results until yesterday.

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Hercisback · 12/08/2021 21:43

Private schools gave better remote learning

Nope.

actiongirl1978 · 12/08/2021 21:31

Agree with @BumbleMug that each school had a centre policy which was checked with the regulator.

dancealittleclosertome · 12/08/2021 21:31

OP, do bear in mind that teachers at an average sized secondary school may well have had to award in excess of 200 marks. They can't be expected to recall every single one, hence a teacher asking your dc to show his result.

actiongirl1978 · 12/08/2021 21:29

OP the advice from ofqual was for teachers to assess pupils, provide evidence and submit a grade that would be 'the best a pupil could achieve' based on evidence.

The teachers will have seen the grades when they went through reviews with SLT ahead of being submitted to exam boards.

I'm an exams officer so am pretty familiar with the guidance.

Even if the other schools marked an assessment, the rest of the evidence for the pupil will have been taken into account for the final TAG

BumbleMug · 12/08/2021 21:29

[quote Bigblueone]@BumbleMug something very odd is going on. Another teacher also made him show her his grade as she didn’t know what he’d got either…[/quote]
Very odd indeed and I can’t begin to imagine what the school has done. TAGs are the only method available for GCSE’s this year and literally stands for Teacher Assessed Grade. There is even guidance on how teachers can use holistic approaches to come to the grades. If your schools teachers genuinely haven’t ‘assigned’ the grades then they’ve broken many rules. If I was you I’d ask to see the schools TAG centre policy. Every exam centre has to upload one to the board supervising them and in it it had to clearly state their methods of assessing grades. If it’s not on the schools website you can request it and they have to provide it.

Caffeinemonster · 12/08/2021 21:24

@Justbetweenus

I think the higher grade inflation in private schools this year (and last year) demonstrates it’s patently unfair. We shouldn’t have some schools giving pupils “the benefit of the doubt” while others stick diligently to previous years’ results. But Gavin Williamson was in charge… 😏
Why would you assume this is private schools giving more grade inflation? Isn’t it more likely that private schools provided much better remote learning and private pupils are more likely to have parents that have the time and/or inclination to push them harder?

It’s remote learning that has widened the gap, not the assessments and grading.

Bigblueone · 12/08/2021 21:15

@BumbleMug something very odd is going on. Another teacher also made him show her his grade as she didn’t know what he’d got either…

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BumbleMug · 12/08/2021 20:50

@Bigblueone

It’s very odd. She definitely said they had only just seen the results and implied they’d had no input with the mark. Luckily my ds did well by some dcs marks were a couple of grades lower than they’d ever previously had.
Absolutely false. TAGs are all that could be awarded this year and the school would be investigated for malpractice if there was no teacher input. They may have chosen to pay for some external moderation of assessments but ultimately the teachers had to assign the grades. That teacher is lying.
cptartapp · 12/08/2021 20:39

DS school had two weeks of 'exams'. Two exams most days of 2-2.5 hours each. No mocks.
My nephew has been having 'test and teach' mini classroom tests for weeks.
A friend's academy school warned parents that some DC would be called back into school in early June for more tests depending on individual exam results at the end of May. Another bite of the cherry so to speak.
The disparity has been ridiculous.

Bigblueone · 12/08/2021 20:29

@Hercisback they just had one lot of assessments in the format of GCSEs. They might of well have not bothered cancelling them in our case.

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Hercisback · 12/08/2021 19:22

We were told by SLT the students had to know what evidence we had used. I suppose that counts if they know what assessments were included even if they didn't know the marks.

Chilldonaldchill · 12/08/2021 19:12

Lots of schools didn't allow students to see any of the evidence. Ours didn't. They sat exams and had no clue about the marking till today.

Hercisback · 12/08/2021 19:05

We cross trust marked some moderation copies of papers but not blind marking on a whole cohort. The marking process isn't the issue.

You can ask which evidence was used towards the grade given and DC should have seen it beforehand. There should be no indication of grade given on any work from March onwards but seeing marks is OK.

TheFallenMadonna · 12/08/2021 18:53

If they were basing the grades on the exam scores, it is definitely a good thing to ensure that the marking of those exams is fair. When you're marking the work of a child you know well, objectivity with respect to the mark scheme can be hard.

Orf1abc · 12/08/2021 18:49

Is the school part of an academy trust? I've heard of similar, where exams are marked by other schools in the trust to avoid bias. It's not ideal, but arguably closer to a normal assessment.

Bigblueone · 12/08/2021 18:41

It’s very odd. She definitely said they had only just seen the results and implied they’d had no input with the mark. Luckily my ds did well by some dcs marks were a couple of grades lower than they’d ever previously had.

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TheFallenMadonna · 12/08/2021 18:39

Schools had to say in their centre policy how they would mitigate against potential bias in assessing work, and blind marking is useful for this when the assessment is based on exam scripts. It's how "real" exams are marked. We also had our marking moderated by another school for that reason, and we moderated them. Grading the marked work is another matter, and that is what has been so difficult given that there was absolutely no consistency between assessments used by different schools.

Hercisback · 12/08/2021 18:35

You can appeal. Google it for more info.

I'd say the teacher misrepresented what actually happened. Someone in their school will have known the grades awarded. The leadership team and subject leads had to sign off on them.

Whyarewehardofthinking · 12/08/2021 18:35

@Bigblueone

DS did well and got the grades he needed but turns out their school didn’t even do TAGs. These GCSE length exams we’re blind marked by another school and sent then sent to the boards to be moderated with no teacher input. Some of his friends were very disappointed with their marks which were worse than mocks and previous assessments. Was this approach even allowed?
Every school has submitted assessment records and rationales to explain their approach to exam boards. After that, each school had at least 3 subjects sampled and a number of pieces for each student for each subject was submitted. Schools could approach this in anyway they judged fair. For us, we had some internal assessments as such, but also used exam papers that were marked blind by another school. Then, the original teachers of each student examined every paper and compared them to the grade descriptors provided by the exam boards. We had to have extensive evidence for each grade, and the majority of teachers used for cross marking are examiners in a normal year. There HAS TO HAVE BEEN teacher input.

If the exam board was not happy with the approach they would have had a deeper sampling period or gone to the school to interview staff.

I know schools have had different approaches, but there was no guidance issued to instruct us more than "gather evidence such as....." Please be pissed off at the government and not the staff that spent months doing this. I worked more in our 3 weeks of assessment than I ever have working for the exam boards on top of my normal school role.

Bigblueone · 12/08/2021 18:32

She didn’t know what mark he had until she’d asked him.

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Bigblueone · 12/08/2021 18:31

@Hercisback one of his teachers this morning.

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Hercisback · 12/08/2021 18:26

That is not the proper process, who told you that's what happened?

A small sample from some schools was taken to "moderate". No board took in marks and moderated for all subjects so someone has misinterpreted or misrepresented something somewhere.

Bigblueone · 12/08/2021 18:25

Definitely no grade inflation here.

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