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BrightLight04 · 15/07/2021 20:57

My 8y old DD is going to be in Y5 private school this year and it's time to start looking into the secondary schools. She's average in Maths and way below average in English (Comprehension and Creative writing are disaster). Hates reading anything hence no vocabulary. She has a brilliant tutor who struggles with her too. No SEN issues I was told about so far. I am obviously not looking into high profile schools, in fact I will have to put her name down for a state school option too as I fear a complete fiasco during 11+ exams. Which private schools might be an option for her? We are in SW London. Thank you.

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Popcorn925 · 23/01/2022 19:24

Kew House and Radnor House

rattusrattus20 · 23/01/2022 17:31

I think she'd walk into Streatham & Clapham girls with those academics. Their intake is roughly comp standards, not sub-comp like a Portland Place type, so you definitely get the odd bright girl there too.

hivemindneeded · 23/01/2022 09:18

Look at Radnor House in Twickenham. Might have crept up academically but when it opened, it was known for being good at nurturing children who were below average.
Hampton Court House School, maybe?
Same used to be true of Claremont in Esher though I think it is academically more demanding these days.

If she hates reading, encourage her vocab in other ways. Put audio books on in the car, listen to podcasts on subjects she likes and give her a small incentive every time she asks what a new word means then uses it in context in speech or in schoolwork. Play scrabble and bananagrams with her. Buy her magazines and illustrated books on subjects that fascinate her. She doesn't have to like fiction.

busymomofadd · 23/01/2022 08:57

Can please recommend any private english tutor for creative writing and comprehension for one on one online lessons please for Yr5 DD. TIA.

avobee · 17/08/2021 15:22

I totally agree with posters above suggesting an education psychology assessment, they can also make recommendations from that on how education can best meet your child's needs, which you then discuss with potential schools to have an idea of what they could offer specific to your DD.

OhCrumbsWhereNow · 17/08/2021 14:55

Don't discount the state sector.

DH and I were both at v selective indies/grammars and had planned for private schools for DD.

She's very dyslexic and ultimately it didn't seem fair to send her somewhere where she'd probably be bottom of the class and feel stupid. So we found a comprehensive that excelled in music and the arts and sent her there.

She's just finished Y7 and is coming top of her class in some subjects and near the top in others. Teachers have completely understood her strengths and weaknesses and what she needs to help in the areas where she struggles. Result is a child who is happy, feels she's succeeding and doing well - and is therefore trying hard and doing better than anyone expected in subjects she always felt a bit of a dunce in.

Couldn't be happier - and while my heart may still slightly yearn for wood panelling and glorious grounds, we know we made the right choice.

pottedplantaddict · 16/08/2021 23:09

I would second St Catherine's, Twickenham. Such a lovely, nurturing school and the small class sizes would help staff be able to give her reading more attention. SENCO is also pretty good there, as there are quite a few dyslexic girls so would be able to give good advice.

From what I hear the English department there is a particularly nurturing and kind bunch - but also get pretty stellar results. I know a wonderful young lady there who has just completed her first year of A-Levels there, and I know they have done wonders for her. I've heard they've provided amazing support to all their students, no matter their ability, and sparked pure interest in the subject. Students who were previously struggling have scored 7s and above in their Lit/Lang GCSEs. I would recommend booking an open day, it's totally worth a look.

The prep school also means that your daughter can start in Year 5 or 6, if 11+ is too much to bear! I feel like this school is also rising in popularity too as many are after that close-knit ethos, but that being said entrance requirements are lower than other local schools. I know that lots start in those years for the same reason, and are made to feel like part of the furniture.

PM me if you have any questions - I'm familiar with most schools in the area and would love to help :)

minipie · 19/07/2021 23:55

It may be worth looking at the new senior schools being opened by Broomwood, Thomas’s and Fulham Prep. Suspect they are likely to be less academically competitive to get into, given they are new amd cannot compete with the established names. Also expect they will be smaller schools, to start with at least, and that could benefit your DD who may need close attention to help her with the bits she struggles with and to see if there are any underlying issues.

Emanuel is very competitive at the moment.

Grumpycatsmum · 19/07/2021 23:48

Agree with previous posters who said push for a dyslexia assessment. It does sound like she would benefit from some specialised support. I had suggested dyslexia for my DD1 from first year in school and they only did one after 5 years to shut me up and because her spelling was very poor. Turned out she needed quite a lot of support in reading/writing, although not falling behind generally. What you've said you are doing already sounds very familiar to me.

Mummy194 · 19/07/2021 23:37

Sorry, got my 10+ and 11+ crossed there.

Emanuel does have a 10+ exam, which may be easier than 11+, but still requires that DC study the same material.

canary1 · 19/07/2021 23:21

Agree with GlencoraP.... investigate the significant disparity between maths and English. Ed psych,., maybe dyslexia? Who knows? See what outcome is and work on advise from that.

Mummy194 · 19/07/2021 22:47

Don't know much about the other schools, but Emanuel does have a 11+ exam to get into yr6 around December. Though I have found these easier than 10+, you do have to study the same material as you would for 11+ for them.

Saturday 4th December 2021: 10+ entrance exam. Details of exact timings will be sent in November.

www.emanuel.org.uk/admissions/10-plus-entry/

IrishGirl2020 · 19/07/2021 19:03

Friends I know with girls who didn’t want to do the whole 11+ craziness have gone to St Catherine’s and Emanuel in Year 6. Also have a couple of friends who went to Radnor House. All lovely schools and worth looking at.

Mummy194 · 19/07/2021 16:41

Depending on where you are in SW, Portland Place does not have entrance tests and is very central, giving you time to work out what to do at 16+.

PP has already given great schools to look at.

Good luck

daisypond · 19/07/2021 08:13

Meant to add, there was no way my DD would have passed a grammar school entrance test.

daisypond · 19/07/2021 08:08

I live in SW London and my DD - middle table at a state primary (not one where children routinely went off to independents) - went to SCHS. This was some years ago. No tutoring. Not a reader. Terrible at maths. No problem getting a place. As long as you weren’t actually under-par for state school SATs, I assumed you’d get a place. It was the only one we applied for. But as I said, I think it’s harder to get in now. But that’s just anecdotal.

ChocolateHoneycomb · 19/07/2021 08:00

I would get a private dyslexia assessment. Our ds , who also has ASD so that is an added complication, has a spiky profile and school said it was not dyslexia on loads of occasions. This was based on his reading being advanced and his having ASD causing some other difficulties. Spelling dire. He does have dyslexia. Since diagnosis school have been v good. Current age is 10yr 1mo, spelling age on his report 8yrs, reading 16yr 6mo.

Then I would second a smaller inclusive nurturing independent. I think the bright capable and motivated do well anywhere but the middle, those with mild difficulties, sensitive and less confident benefit from extra attention and support available in some independent schools. Not familiar with your area I’m afraid but I would look through good schools guide.

AnotherNewt · 19/07/2021 07:59

They are no easier in this part of SW London than state sector 11+ tests - it's a fiercely competitive area l unfortunately for those who love in it.

Willingness to consider a short journey out of London will give many more options. Especially if the school offers flexi-boarding, and once your DC have settled, then a sleepover at school might be preferable to daily commute - even one night a week would break it up a bit.

daisypond · 19/07/2021 07:51

I got the impression the OP didn’t mean 11+ for a grammar school, more the selection tests that independent schools will do, many of which will be easier to get into than a grammar school.

Mrstreehouse · 19/07/2021 07:48

If your child can only pass the 11+ with hot housing and ongoing tutoring, even if they do get a place, they are going to struggle long term at school. Grammar schools are usually extremely academic and our grammar actively encourages not putting pressure on children to practice for these tests, they may pass but they will often really struggle long term and always feel like ‘the bottom of the pile in a hugely competitive system. Better to chose a school more suited where they might get a chance to shine.

Hoopa · 18/07/2021 18:27

@BrightLight04
I wouldn't trust the schools diagnosis - they are not experts and it can be very easy to miss, very nuanced. Might also be something more niche like dysgraphia. I would look to an expert - before you get a tutor, spend the £500 on an assessment which should give you a really good detailed report, they are such a great thing to have to send to schools and will be your sword and armour in the education system (whichever sector) if she is diagnosed with an SEN. It also helps explain some behaviours at home - ie being very disorganised, unable to follow a stream of instructions etc.
Whatever happens, it sounds like she has some real academic strengths in certain areas, so she is going to be just fine in 'real' life!

Scaffoldhell · 18/07/2021 08:17

@BrightLight04 have you done an online LASS test? If you google them, they are free online and are what the schools use to see if there is a potential dyslexia issue. They are looking for a spikey profile. Might be worth doing to see how she scores. If there is a big difference then it’s worth getting an Ed psyche done.
Think you said that you are in SW London and so am I, so can tell you the schools we looked at for my DD if you like and the ones to avoid. Drop me a PM if you want to.

IBuyPestoAndThatsOK · 17/07/2021 19:28

Schools can't diagnose dyslexia in our county - has to be by EP. I don't know if that's the same in your borough, but worth checking out.

A private EP in our county costs about £500 for a dyslexia assessment.

BrightLight04 · 17/07/2021 17:37

@AirEngland

What about Ibstock Place? I don’t have much experience of it, but my friend who is a yr 6 teacher in a london prep and tutors for entrance exams really rates it. Especially for children who might not cope with the academic pressure of other independents. I know it’s a bit of a marmite school though!

122 isn’t a bad score at all. And 105 would be considered high average I think. Although if there’s already a lot of tutoring going on I can see why op might think English was a struggle.

Ibstock is a bit weird to travel too but manageable. She's definitely struggling in Comprehension as cannot find correct answers to the questions and it takes her ages. She used to hate VR but got the grip now. Our tutor and I are puzzled with that score.
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BrightLight04 · 17/07/2021 17:32

@Scaffoldhell

My DD has dyslexia which is quite severe and it was only picked up at the end of year 4 with similar spiked test results. - high maths and low English. However points to hold on to are that her maths is very good and way above average . Her English is low for a private school but this will improve as she starts the prep for 11+ that ramps up in year 5 and year 6. We also got an English tutor for 11+ everyone at private school will be tutoring anyway regardless of their ability and it’s your DD’s weaker area so needs a boost. Don’t get to down hearted. The 11+ puts dread in the hearts of even the most academic children. My DD is now in an excellent private secondary that is small and nurturing and working with her and she is thriving
Thank you! The whole experience in very daunting.
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