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Which A level would you drop?

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EachandEveryone · 14/06/2021 18:36

If you were 17 and didnt have a clue what you wanted to do. Medicine is out because she knows it would be too stressful. She wants to earn money and has had part time jobs since she was 14 so she likes to spend😃. No interest in computing. She is quite argumentative and much more woke than me. Typical teen really. She is desparate to do a course which means she cannwork abroad for a year.

Todays halfway results Geography A Biology B Sociology A and Chemistry C (which she is gutted about) Apparently they dont have to drop one but it would make sense to.

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Piggywaspushed · 18/06/2021 06:47

Oh talk obviously isn't aware of al the top unis that list sociology, along with all the traditional subjects, in their lists of preferred subjects for various degrees.

I teach film, English Lit and sociology. All hard in different ways. English is the easiest! My DS does sociology (horror!), economics ( double horror (or is that hard because it's a subject of the capitalist elite??) and history. He is on track for A A A.

I am happy to acknowledge that film does not always appear on lists for these types of 'selecting universities' and always suggest to very able film students to do eg English and history as well. But no uni asks for 3 'traditional' subjects' - one or two is fine and we have that here.

FWIW a tutor at my school at the moment who will be going to a magic circle law firm next year met a person working there with film, drama and history A Level and a degree from Bristol so clearly time wasn't doing their recruitment !

jojojowo · 18/06/2021 00:43

Drop whichever is her least favourite as long as it's not needed for any potential route she wants to take. I started with 4 and had to drop one would have loved to have dropped chemistry but needed it for medicine so dropped PE instead. It got me where I wanted so am glad I did it but part of me still wishes I carried on with PE as I genuinely loved it. Whereas I spent the next year disliking chemistry as it got sooo much harder but not much more interesting

EachandEveryone · 18/06/2021 00:27

Who can afford that?

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TortolaParadise · 18/06/2021 00:19

I would not drop any subject but I would consider a subject tutor.

Comefromaway · 17/06/2021 23:52

And it sounds like you actively discriminate against candidates who attend schools in often poorer areas who don’t have”leadership positions” or extra curricular activities & those without the contacts to source internships.

clary · 17/06/2021 23:08

So @Talkwhilstyouwalk in this graduate recruitment scenario, is the OP's DD really going to do better with AAB (but oh dear the A is in sociology) or ABC (but hey, the C is in chemistry)? Because that's what you said.

Then you said you need AAA anyway. So I think it's all a moo point.

Talkwhilstyouwalk · 17/06/2021 23:05

@RampantIvy

But a Chemistry B at a level will look better than a Sociology A IMO.

No it won't.

Probably wouldn't for the type of recruitment I'm involved in (grad recruitment for big firms and banks). But might do if sociology was relevant to the role....
RampantIvy · 17/06/2021 23:02

But a Chemistry B at a level will look better than a Sociology A IMO.

No it won't.

DrEllie · 17/06/2021 22:59

I'm a sociologist so I'm obviously going to take offence at the perceived uselessness of the subject! It depends what she wants to do in future. The biology matches with chemistry if it's science she wants to do - geography matches with sociology if it is a social science she wants to do. You will find a lot of encouragement tp do STEM subjects but they are not for everyone. We will still need social workers, drugs counsellors and probation officers etc in future

Talkwhilstyouwalk · 17/06/2021 22:59

@clary

Yes I agree with *@Piggywaspushed*, cannot believe that some are still peddling the myth that sociology is not well regarded.

Seriously, on what planet would a C (any C) be better than an A (any A - tho sociology is indeed on lists of acceptable subjects)?

OP suggests that her DD does want to go to uni, and unless it is to study chemistry she will have a better chance of good offers and getting in where she wants if she is going to gain A/A* rather than C/B.

I would be amazed if banks and accountancy firms looked beyond the degree subject and class to see what A-levels you did tbh.

Most require at least BBB in in their criteria, often more. In reality, many candidates will have straight A's. They often don't specify this on their website but they are usually after certain academic A Level subjects such as Maths, Economics, History, English, languages and sciences. Candidates with, say, Photography, Sociology and Business Studies A-levels generally don't make the cut even if they do meet the minimum requirements in terms of grades......why would they if they have hundreds of applicants with straight A's in Maths, English and Economics?! They have to narrow down the candidate pool somehow.

Sorry for being direct but I work in graduate recruitment and sift through plenty of graduate applications on a daily basis. Most don't stand out.....most job offers go to those with very strong grades in academic subjects who have attended the best universities and have lots of work experience (e.g. internships). Most will have participated in a range of extracurricular activities and will have held some leadership positions both at school and university.

It's competitive out there.....graduate schemes are very competitive.

clary · 17/06/2021 22:42

@Comefromaway

Eg I used to recruit ex primary school teachers to work in my kids performing arts school and if their degree differed I might look for music or drama A levels.
Yes indeed, I was a teacher of MFL but my degree was only in one MFL - so I am sure schools looked at my A levels to see another one there! But otherwise no, surely.
Comefromaway · 17/06/2021 22:39

Eg I used to recruit ex primary school teachers to work in my kids performing arts school and if their degree differed I might look for music or drama A levels.

Comefromaway · 17/06/2021 22:38

@clary

Yes I agree with *@Piggywaspushed*, cannot believe that some are still peddling the myth that sociology is not well regarded.

Seriously, on what planet would a C (any C) be better than an A (any A - tho sociology is indeed on lists of acceptable subjects)?

OP suggests that her DD does want to go to uni, and unless it is to study chemistry she will have a better chance of good offers and getting in where she wants if she is going to gain A/A* rather than C/B.

I would be amazed if banks and accountancy firms looked beyond the degree subject and class to see what A-levels you did tbh.

If someone is going to university it will be the degree that matters, they probably won’t even look at A levels unless something specific is needed for a particular sector
clary · 17/06/2021 22:31

Yes I agree with @Piggywaspushed, cannot believe that some are still peddling the myth that sociology is not well regarded.

Seriously, on what planet would a C (any C) be better than an A (any A - tho sociology is indeed on lists of acceptable subjects)?

OP suggests that her DD does want to go to uni, and unless it is to study chemistry she will have a better chance of good offers and getting in where she wants if she is going to gain A/A* rather than C/B.

I would be amazed if banks and accountancy firms looked beyond the degree subject and class to see what A-levels you did tbh.

Piggywaspushed · 17/06/2021 21:31

What is your background to make these assertions?

Talkwhilstyouwalk · 17/06/2021 20:58

At A-level it is not well regarded by many of the top graduate recruiters. Banks, Accountancy Firms and Law Firms are generally not interested in A Level Sociology, unless the candidate is applying for an HR type of role. Even then there are many subjects that are more highly regarded. Good grades in science subjects prove academic attainment as they are a lot more difficult. She could perhaps consider a role in pharmaceuticals with 2 sciences, or how about an embryologist?

It does depend on what she wants to do though. With sociology and geography she could appeal to recruiters for the government, market research or the police for example.

So really, the best thing she could do would be to have a really good think about her future. Also, uni isn't the be all and end all these days, some companies are offering some excellent apprenticeship schemes to those who achieve good A-level results!

Piggywaspushed · 17/06/2021 20:47

Cambridge has a list of preferred subjects for HSPS, which includes... sociology....

Talkwhilstyouwalk · 17/06/2021 20:42

@Frazzled2207

I'd drop sociology or chemistry if she isn't enjoying. But a Chemistry B at a level will look better than a Sociology A IMO.
Totally agree
Bryonyshcmyony · 17/06/2021 20:41

@Talkwhilstyouwalk

If she could get her grade up in Chemistry it would hold her in much better stead than Sociology which at A level is not regarded very highly. I'd ditch the sociology for sure, with one less subject she'll have more time to focus on the other subjects.
It's a myth that sociology isn't regarded highly. It's very different from the old style sociology
Talkwhilstyouwalk · 17/06/2021 20:40

If she could get her grade up in Chemistry it would hold her in much better stead than Sociology which at A level is not regarded very highly. I'd ditch the sociology for sure, with one less subject she'll have more time to focus on the other subjects.

Piggywaspushed · 17/06/2021 20:19

Oh wow , just came here for a nose and saw soem of the comments on sociology. It's on LOTS of unis' lists of preferred subjects for lots of courses (as are all the other subjects). It is popular with unis as it ticks essay boxes, hums boxes, quantitative methods boxes.

I think what she drops needs to be informed by a long hard think (and perhaps soem virtual open days etc) about her future plans.

On the face of it, it's Chemistry. Geog, Biol and Sociology is an EXCELLENT combination.

Have a look at Southampton's Population Studies degree?

Oblomov21 · 17/06/2021 19:27

Chemistry. Lowest grade.

I totally disagree with pp's re the seriousness or validity of sociology, it's well respected, and very interesting, with debate and essay type exams. Ds1 is enjoying it very much. It's in the top 10 of subjects.

Comefromaway · 17/06/2021 14:11

No point in doing 4 A levels unless you are going to get really top grades in them all. AAA is better than AABC for university entrance.

I'd drop the one she enjoys the least or is getting the worst grades in.

EachandEveryone · 17/06/2021 13:00

Tell me about it. The child Im on about is so sickly sweet to her mothers face and she is more hardcore than we were in the late 80’s. I suppose its the crowd you run with.

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