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Local schools getting easier GCSE exams / inflated grades

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JoannaFurneaux · 06/05/2021 19:44

Hi all,
my daughter is currently at grammar school where they are having very strictly run exams over the course of a month. 2 per subject. One of his friends goes to a local private school. Apparently his friend at private school said they have been having exams for weeks all of which can go towards their exam grades. Her friend who previously had struggled is forecasted to get almost top marks in every subject! Another friend at the same private school is also getting much higher predicted grades. Previously had also struggled as well. This sounds extremely unfair and is putting extra pressure on my own daughter and is surely not an isolated case. Does anyone know the best place I can complain to about this? I simply want to ensure the fairest possible outcome for my own daughter which at present it sounds like she wont get.
Thank you
Jo

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AmazingGrapes · 07/05/2021 19:58

@Pastanred I agree - it’s a total cock up of a situation and is fair on no one. We sat a number of kids for foundation last year and a few of them that were predicted 5s (the max grade on a foundation paper for those that don’t know) were bumped up to a 6 by the algorithm.

We also had some kids who were all set to get 1s bumped up to a grade 3. In other schools with historically worse grades than ours pupils were marked down and cheated out of higher grades that they deserved.

This year no matter how your local school is assessing there will be untold levels of unfairness. This is because how can you use one set of grades but thousands of different assessment criteria/protocols and expect fair outcomes?

I and many teachers see no reason why exams couldn’t have gone ahead. We’re all back in school and even if there had been an outbreak around this time they could easily have socially distanced y11 and 13 in exam conditions whilst other year groups stayed at home. What we’re seeing is the work of a government who is terrified by the enormity of last years fuck up, and has come up with an ingenious way of avoiding a second public fuck up this year - passing the buck to schools.

It’s unfair to kids and teachers. Teachers are marking thousands of papers that exam boards usually PAY people to mark and TRAIN them to mark. We’re just expected to do it in our free time around our ordinary teaching load.

When schools are this stretched and guidance is so thin on the ground, unfairness will abound. I wish the population at large could see the chaos that exists in schools right now - but I fear the government will get away with this one too.

MargaretThursday · 07/05/2021 17:07

If they can get on to the 'right' course, then how they do in that course will be the main thing.
Universities / employers at 18 will remember that this is the cohort with the massively disrupted learning and inconsistent grades.

Well they will, but will they give an offer to a child who has say a set of 6s and 7s, as opposed to a child who got all 9s? Which one will they go for assuming A-level predictions are similar?

It will effect children for the future.

And schools who give honest results the children are doubly penalised as they will be up against others that are their standard, but given higher grades, but people will assume that their grades are inflated too.

And last year there were overpredictions. This year, I suspect will be worse, as they know it's on teacher assessments, so those that overpredicted last year to look better than the rest, may well doubly overpredict to try and beat the others.

DD1's got a friend in year 11 and the teachers are sending them home with the questions and answers the night before they do the tests for example. So assessments can be "assisted".

But, Op, if it's any comfort. We know one school that predicted far too high. The children themselves are not happy about it from what I've been hearing from dd2 who has friends who were there. Firstly they're not proud of the results. They know that they didn't earn or deserve them, even the ones they probably did deserve, because others are clearly inflated, they then question the ones they do deserve and wonder if they are inflated too.
Some of them have dropped out of A-level courses, or even dropped a year because they started A-levels in subjects they'd been told they wouldn't get the grades needed, and they apparently did-but don't have the knowledge so found it too difficult.
They're also struggling with the idea that they will have to do exams at the end of the course, because they feel that they are going to do worse and it's going to be obvious. It's actually decreased their confidence in themselves not helped.

Pastanred · 07/05/2021 16:25

I didn’t make sweeping accusations🙄

I actually said ‘many kids near me’

I made an accusation about my dn who was set 3 and had no predicted grades for any subject above a 4! Suddenly getting a 7 having handed in nothing and only sitting his mock couple weeks prior to lockdown

I only have to look at my current year 12 cohort (I teach sixth form) - they needed a 6 to do my course and there’s a defo difference in standard. Some of these kids wouldn’t have got a 6 any other year!

That’s not to say some kids who are bright who have a bad day on a mock later do well but that wasn’t the case of what I saw last year

I’m talking about kids who were never more than a 3/4 getting 6+ dispite having no provision in lockdown 1.

They wouldn’t have even been entered into higher paper to even have option of those grades normally. Schools near us didn’t even send out work in most cases until June when year 11 had left

If your dd went from 3-7 then she was entered for higher paper suggesting she clearly had bad day and wasn’t a 3 at all. No one who’s a steady 3 would be entered into the higher paper and as such wouldn’t be able to get that score

pointythings · 07/05/2021 16:09

Pastanred in your area that may have been so. Provision has been very variable. My local comprehensive and sixth form have provided excellent online teaching, including assessed work. As I said, don't make sweeping generalisations.

Pastanred · 07/05/2021 15:51

Pointy things

Perhaps under normal circumstances

But kids were not in school and remote teaching was crap in most of the local comps near me this time last year

There were no expectations kids even completed work during lockdown 1.

TeenMinusTests · 07/05/2021 11:24

Thanks Green She is much better than she was. For most of the year she was managing 1hr work per week with a tutor. Now it is 30-60mins per day. Smile

Greenmarmalade · 07/05/2021 11:17

@TeenMinusTests I’m sorry your daughter is going through such a hard time.

sashh · 07/05/2021 10:23

I did O Levels in 1983.

The last 6 months of school in most subjects was spent doing 'past papers'.

By the time it came to the exam it was like taking just another paper.

pointythings · 07/05/2021 10:15

@Pastanred

I totally get it and I’d be just as angry but I’d be complaining to your school to be honest as they do seem more strict than most

Most kids near me got inflated grades last year - my dn got a 7 in one that she got a 4 for in a mock. No way would she have got a 7! But it’s very common and sadly whilst it’s wrong I’d be in the ‘if you can’t fight then join them’ camp!

I absolutely have to pull you up on this. Going from a 4 in a mock to a 7 in the real thing is perfectly possible with hard work. DD2 went from a 3 to a 7 in Chemistry in 2019, and from a 5 to a 7 in Maths. All due to really putting in the hard graft. Don't make such sweeping statements.
TeenMinusTests · 07/05/2021 08:57

Apart from 3/4 borderline, and requirements for 6th form choices, it doesn't matter in the long run.
It doesn't matter if Charlotte gets 8 and Sally gets 7s and Abbie gets 6s.
If they can get on to the 'right' course, then how they do in that course will be the main thing.
Universities / employers at 18 will remember that this is the cohort with the massively disrupted learning and inconsistent grades.
All our young people can do is their best, but looking across to other schools and what they are doing won't help. They can control their own work, but not anything else.

(And yes, I do have a y11. One who should have been getting a raft at 4/5 grade, maybe the odd 6, and is now scrabbling around to get any passes at all due to major MH issues over the last year.)

HasaDigaEebowai · 06/05/2021 21:32

Don’t the rules say the same evidence has to be used by the teachers for all children though. So you can’t use Fred’s grade 9 essay on 12th Night and Julies on 1984.

jgw1 · 06/05/2021 21:07

@VorpalSword

Guidelines are to run a series of low stake assessments and not just run exams, so it might be your school that is not applying the guidelines.

Schools can use a wide range of evidence to determine their grades, not just exams, they can use open book or different style of questions. All schools, even private ones, have to be consistent to previous years (not counting 2020) and they are all being checked. Random sample of students and subjects to be sent in..

If you are angry blame them Department of Education, not schools trying to navigate a very tricky situation.

There is an inherent contradiction in the guidance that has been given to schools, and it was the Head of Ofqual I think who said as much. If I have 10 students I could have evidence that each of them is producing work of a grade 9 standard. Therefore this year I should give them each a grade 9. In another year in any given exams 5 of them would probably get a 9, 4 an 8 and 1 a 7. But no one would be able to predict who the 7 would be on the particularly day of the exam. So there will be grade inflation, and it will be more than last year, that is designed into the system.
Orangesandlemons77 · 06/05/2021 21:06

Also at GCSE level as long as they get grades to go on to A levels surely that is the main thing?

Schools have been told they can use a range of work to give grades this year as well, not just the exams / assessments.

Orangesandlemons77 · 06/05/2021 21:03

Why don't you complain to your school that they are doing the exams and not assessments? As an aside my DS is half way through his 5 week block of assessments and don't think it seems an easier option. he's got 5 assessments on average for one single subject.

daisypetula · 06/05/2021 20:59

@MarjorieBouvier

If these schools are all sitting exam after exam, presumably in proper exam conditions, then why bother cancelling GCSEs/Alevels in the first place?
Exactly. The year 11s I know all say GCSEs would have been easier as the exam season started in April and finishes in June.
Aboutnow · 06/05/2021 20:59

Our local fee paying was dreadful last summer, and proudly boasted on social media that they had their 'best ever results'! The thing is these children will suffer long term as they will end up on degree courses beyond their actual ability and come a cropper with horrible mental health consequences. The thing is these schools live or die on their results and they are always going to do whatever it takes to keep their customers happy.

christinarossetti19 · 06/05/2021 20:57

@Greenmarmalade

You know what though... the system is totally unfair on lots of kids anyway. The kids in the crap schools with the endless stream of supply teachers are the ones who constantly miss out, year on year.

The kids with SEND in a class of 32 kids with no extra help, compared to those in private school in a class of 15.

Those who have parents who can pay for tuition, grammar school entry tuition, extra-curricular; and those who don’t.

There is no ‘fair’ in education.

This.

There is no 'fair' in education.

It only seems to be a problem when children who benefit from this status quo look like they may not.

HasaDigaEebowai · 06/05/2021 20:50

The rules are quite strict though aren’t they? We have been told that our school is using a combination of the mock exams they sat in November (full past paper), Mini exams which have just happened (but these can’t carry the same weighting) and now full exams. Ds1 literally has 5-6 gcse papers sat in full exam conditions every week for the next three weeks. It’s horrendous, he’s exhausted and the school is taking very seriously its responsibility to give grades that are an accurate reflection of likely results in a normal gcse year.

It isn’t fair, but personally I think the kids in our school are at a disadvantage as a result of the massive number of exams, not advantaged.

JoannaFurneaux · 06/05/2021 20:49

@VorpalSword

Guidelines are to run a series of low stake assessments and not just run exams, so it might be your school that is not applying the guidelines.

Schools can use a wide range of evidence to determine their grades, not just exams, they can use open book or different style of questions. All schools, even private ones, have to be consistent to previous years (not counting 2020) and they are all being checked. Random sample of students and subjects to be sent in..

If you are angry blame them Department of Education, not schools trying to navigate a very tricky situation.

Yes I do get your point.
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JoannaFurneaux · 06/05/2021 20:48

@cptartapp

I agree OP. My friend is SLT and says at a meeting it was notable the historically 'weaker' school students were doing classroom test and teach every couple of weeks. My nephew for example. Others were having DC sit end of term tests in exam conditions. DS2 has two and a half hours Biolgy 'exam' on everything they've learnt tomorrow, and then a further two hours RE. I'm afraid the genuinely brighter students won't stand out this year.
Yes that is what I think too. Ultimately it may come back to bite people on the you know where when they do A Levels which I assume will be assessed on a level playing field.
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JoannaFurneaux · 06/05/2021 20:46

@NeverDropYourMoonCup

If they had opted for continuous exam conditions assessments, they would have been inundated with equally angry parents furious that their children were being put under inhumane levels of pressure when they hadn't even completed the course and that not enough time was being dedicated to mental wellbeing.

If they stick with a single batch of exam condition assessments, they would have complaints about how it's inhumane to put so much pressure on them by assessing purely on the basis of a single day.

If they hold assessments in classrooms, they would have complaints about how it's inhumane to assess them when there is no room/somebody with a cough or a sniff/there is noise in the corridor or above them.

Somebody will complain the tests were too hard and it's not fair or humane.

Somebody will complain the tests were too easy and it's not fair or humane.

Somebody will complain that there weren't any tests and it's not fair or humane.

Somebody will complain that there is any form of assessment taking into account work completed in lockdown.

Somebody will complain that the assessments aren't taking into account work completed in lockdown.

Somebody will complain that there was an expectation to do any work in lockdown.

Somebody will complain that there weren't punishments for failing to complete work in lockdown and there wasn't enough work being given.

Somebody will always say at [other school] they aren't doing anything at all and are giving the kids vastly inflated grades for free.

In short, whatever way you look at it or do assessments, there will be people furious that the way that is chosen as to be the best for the kids to maximise their results fairly. Because they don't think their child will be the one benefitting from that particular approach, whatever it is.

I know what you mean its a no win situation.
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JoannaFurneaux · 06/05/2021 20:45

@Pastanred

I totally get it and I’d be just as angry but I’d be complaining to your school to be honest as they do seem more strict than most

Most kids near me got inflated grades last year - my dn got a 7 in one that she got a 4 for in a mock. No way would she have got a 7! But it’s very common and sadly whilst it’s wrong I’d be in the ‘if you can’t fight then join them’ camp!

Agreed!
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NeverDropYourMoonCup · 06/05/2021 20:44

If they had opted for continuous exam conditions assessments, they would have been inundated with equally angry parents furious that their children were being put under inhumane levels of pressure when they hadn't even completed the course and that not enough time was being dedicated to mental wellbeing.

If they stick with a single batch of exam condition assessments, they would have complaints about how it's inhumane to put so much pressure on them by assessing purely on the basis of a single day.

If they hold assessments in classrooms, they would have complaints about how it's inhumane to assess them when there is no room/somebody with a cough or a sniff/there is noise in the corridor or above them.

Somebody will complain the tests were too hard and it's not fair or humane.

Somebody will complain the tests were too easy and it's not fair or humane.

Somebody will complain that there weren't any tests and it's not fair or humane.

Somebody will complain that there is any form of assessment taking into account work completed in lockdown.

Somebody will complain that the assessments aren't taking into account work completed in lockdown.

Somebody will complain that there was an expectation to do any work in lockdown.

Somebody will complain that there weren't punishments for failing to complete work in lockdown and there wasn't enough work being given.

Somebody will always say at [other school] they aren't doing anything at all and are giving the kids vastly inflated grades for free.

In short, whatever way you look at it or do assessments, there will be people furious that the way that is chosen as to be the best for the kids to maximise their results fairly. Because they don't think their child will be the one benefitting from that particular approach, whatever it is.

snowcobra · 06/05/2021 20:39

It's an absolute mess - could've been avoided if they never cancelled GCSEs

noblegiraffe · 06/05/2021 20:38

I'm very surprised that any schools are giving their Y11s any sort of grades right now. Grading individual assessments would be bonkers, it's going to be hard enough grading the lot.

That school is setting itself up for a raft of appeals if that's what they're actually doing.