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Is private Y9 state Y10 possible ice age 14 DS?

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Woonang · 02/05/2021 14:34

Hi
My family will move to UK in Oct. My DS will be 14 at that time. If we wait for the allocation of Y10 upon arrival, I estimate that it will take at least 1 month. It will then take another month for DS to get used to the new environment as English is not our mother language. I'm worrying that he will not be able to pick up the missing GCSE course properly.

I want to ask if it is impossible to apply for Y9 in state school? If it is impossible, can I arrange DS to study in private school Y9 first. Apply to move him to Yr 10 in state school in Sep 2022? Is it feasible under his age consideration?

Thx for your advice in advance.

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LIZS · 03/05/2021 17:36

And local authorities do not deal with independent schools, you would need to contact any of those yourselves. Not sure what your finances are like but housing and fees in that area are expensive, even by South East England standards.

GU24Mum · 03/05/2021 17:33

Hi OP, it's not the the local authorities are difficult , it's just that they can't really help you until you have an address. I hope it all works out well for you all.

Woonang · 03/05/2021 17:29

@GU24Mum It's a real dilemma!!!

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Woonang · 03/05/2021 17:27

@TerribleTiming The new logic of looking for a suitable place is very new to me. Thx. Yes, in any case, the most effective way should be to discuss with the authority directly. I hope that they can give me advice generous as all of you, as I heard the opposite from other groups.

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Woonang · 03/05/2021 16:32

@LIZS

I'm doubtful he would get a place at a Guildford private school or nearby for year 9 now unless you have already applied. These are allocated well in advance and are competitive entry. Does your dd have a confirmed place at Uni of Surrey? Most students live on campus for first year or commute so would not base yourself close by just for that.
Frankly, I don't know the school entry in Guildford is so competitive! By the way, do you have any idea of the schools in Sutton? Are they the same as Guildford's school?
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GU24Mum · 02/05/2021 22:06

I think you'll struggle to get a Y9 place in a good state school in Guildford this September. I know the year group and it's a very large one so you may only be offered schools which are "less sought after" - you can read into that but I don't want to start naming individual schools! It may be less tricky for the year above which I know isn't ideal but you may need to weigh up year group against the school you'd be offered.

TerribleTiming · 02/05/2021 21:14

I would look at the train line that runs from Guildford out to Portsmouth. Easy route to get into Guildford for your dd, or commuting into London for work. If you look at the stations south of Guildford there are lots of towns and villages in Surrey and Hampshire with good schools that you could use as a base and may not be as over subscribed as Guildford itself. You could speak with the local authorities of each area about which schools have spaces and whether your ds could drop down a year due to language issues and a July birthday making him very young in the year group.

LIZS · 02/05/2021 19:01

For private I would suggest you look at Box Hill near Leatherhead. Not as academic as some, but follows IB and has international pupils, so possibly more flexible to your circumstances.

LIZS · 02/05/2021 18:39

I'm doubtful he would get a place at a Guildford private school or nearby for year 9 now unless you have already applied. These are allocated well in advance and are competitive entry. Does your dd have a confirmed place at Uni of Surrey? Most students live on campus for first year or commute so would not base yourself close by just for that.

Woonang · 02/05/2021 18:32

@Postapocalypticcowgirl Understood. Thx again.

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Woonang · 02/05/2021 18:29

@LIZS I'm considering Guildford as my DD is apply for an offer is the University of Surrey. Actually, I have no idea on which schools are popular. I think those schools with better academic achievement will deemed to be more popular. I concern more on students conduct. Just hope that my DS can stay happy and positive in his née life.

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Postapocalypticcowgirl · 02/05/2021 18:20

@Woonang

Before creating this post, I thought my only options are private Y9 or state Y10. With the advice of all the kind people here, I know that there maybe another way out. It's great! Million thanks to all of you.

@Postapocalypticcowgirl Would you suggest me to write to the school before their summer closing (say in June) asking if they can accept my DS's application of Y9 offer?

I think I would discuss the situation with schools this summer, yes. They won't be able to confirm if a place would be available or not, but they would be able to confirm whether they would consider placing your DS out of year, I think.
Woonang · 02/05/2021 18:18

Before creating this post, I thought my only options are private Y9 or state Y10. With the advice of all the kind people here, I know that there maybe another way out. It's great! Million thanks to all of you.

@Postapocalypticcowgirl Would you suggest me to write to the school before their summer closing (say in June) asking if they can accept my DS's application of Y9 offer?

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Woonang · 02/05/2021 18:05

The exact schedule that I can come to UK depending on the visa application. My family comes from Hong Kong. As you know that the number of visa application increased in compound, the application processing time is uncontrollable. I keep my fingers crossed that it can be ready before Sept.

Thx a lot @DancesWithDaffodils

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Woonang · 02/05/2021 17:55

@Heathofhares

I’m in Surrey
It's great! Pls give me more advice on the authority's policy in case you think that it may be helpful for me. Thx in advance!
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LIZS · 02/05/2021 16:58

Surrey LA may allow you to apply a short while in advance of a move if you have proof of a local address. You need to look at the In Year application process. However they are not known for flexibility. Where in Surrey are you considering? Bear in mind popular local schools may be "full" and although you could appeal it will only delay things further. Would you be happy for your ds to travel a distance to school? It would be disruptive to move again pre gcse - the syllabus, exam board and order of teaching topics varies from one to another. Is your ds in a British curriculum school at present?

Lougle · 02/05/2021 16:58

Some schools are going back to a 2 year GCSE course now, because OFSTED don't like the way the curriculum narrows with a 3 year GCSE programme.

It would be best to find a school that does GCSEs from year 10 and move in year 9 to pick up the language.

Postapocalypticcowgirl · 02/05/2021 16:49

[quote Woonang]@Postapocalypticcowgirl
Yes, 2 years backward may be too much even for the child. Will try to use the excuse suggested by @UserAtRandom to apply for Yr 9. By the way, can I apply for private Y9 as back up?[/quote]
Yes.

Discuss it with the school in advance. I believe the school I work for (UK, state) would consider placement out of year in this circumstance, but only one year below the year they should be in- if that makes sense?

We do have a very small number of students placed out of year within school for various reasons. We would not allow a placement of two years below their age group as it would cause issues with being able to complete a college course/ A-levels in the state system.

DancesWithDaffodils · 02/05/2021 16:35

I wouldnt move schools for Y10, after only one year in the first school so would go with whatever school you can get access to when you arrive, and continue there until the end of Y11.

Is there anyway you can get here for early September with your son? Starting a new school year at the start, especially if you are allocated Y10, would make a big difference.

FWIW, we applied for mid year transfer 3 days before we flew into the UK, were offered places THAT DAY, and could have started on the following Monday morning. Some councils can move quickly. Most insist you are physically here, but if you will accept the school you are given, however unpopular, it can be way less than a month.

Heathofhares · 02/05/2021 16:12

I’m in Surrey

Woonang · 02/05/2021 16:03

I see. It's a good reference. Thx @UserAtRandom

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UserAtRandom · 02/05/2021 16:01

So your child moved to Y8 at state school at that time?

It wasn't my child (so I can't tell you the details of what happened). When my DS was in Year 8, a boy started in his year group who could only speak limited English and should have been put into Year 10 on the basis of age. The reason given (to the rest of the year) was that the boy had been put into Year 8 as the school started GCSE work in Year 9 and it was clear he would be unable to access it as his English was not strong enough.

The boy stayed in DS's year group and ended up taking GCSEs 2 years later than his age group peers.

Woonang · 02/05/2021 15:58

Hi @Heathofhares Thx for advising. It's a good news for me as it is quite difficult for me to think of a reasonable rationale to persuade the council. I'm planning to move in Sutton or Surrey. Do you have any idea in those regions please?

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Heathofhares · 02/05/2021 15:47

I would also try to get him to start in year 9 at the schook where he is going to be doing his GCSEs. As his birthday is in July he is regarded as ‘summer born’. This can give more options when making a request to be educated out of cohort. (My knowledge of being out of year group is based on children starting school at 5 not 4) but secondary schools should be aware of other summer born children being educated out of cohort - you will have to persuade the admissions authority too. Can I ask what part of the UK you are coming to? Different regions have slightly different policies surrounding this.

Newuname199987 · 02/05/2021 15:43

Three terms per year for school fee totals

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