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Everyone's invited - are people genuinely shocked?

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happywombles · 28/03/2021 15:54

Lots of threads running on here about the 'revelations' - but I keep wondering are people genuinely surprised? I went to an all girl's school in SW London in the 90s and had lots of friends who went to St Paul's, Kings, Dulwich etc and went to lots of parties - clearly dodgy behaviour was absolutely rife, filming stuff and passing it around (this was back in the day when there were no mobile phones and only posh boys had such easy access to cameras), inappropriate sexual behaviour i.e coercion etc, girls being given drugs/too many drinks to make them easy prey etc - just asked DD and she confirmed things are pretty much the same nowadays plus phones etc. We never told our parents or the school but it was just standard. DD says it's basically the same today. Part of it is clearly entitled boys who keep being told they are great, special etc.....attending single-sex schools having a massive sense of entitlement when it comes to all things including girls (and boys).

But are people genuinely surprised?? Nothing that has come out is anything new. Everyone who has been through these school - or has close connections knows this. So why is everyone 'shocked'???

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en0la · 29/03/2021 09:24

Can you search it by school name ?

happywombles · 29/03/2021 09:16

I dont think that this is just about private schools - however, a lot of parents/society seem to assume that private schools are somehow exempt. i.e. nice boys dont do that, not wanting to send their nice boys to state schools because of gangs, violence etc....

In addition, and this is my personal experience - the sense of entitlement, privilege and arrogance was much greater for me and DD when it came to boys from private over comprehensive schools. Personally, my experience of Oxford and other universities was also that Oxford was much worse than elsewhere.But that's my personal experience. Misogyny is alive and kicking everywhere - though power plus misoginy can be quite a bad combination

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IdblowJonSnow · 29/03/2021 09:14

@PresentingPercy

I completely agree with you. Time for the UK to wake up. My DD starts high school in September. I'm pretty anxious. Sad

"It’s extremely dangerous to think this is a private school issue. It’s an issue about lack of respect for women. It’s a problem of upbringing and a failure of parental responsibility. It’s a problem in schools because they, like everyone else, didn’t realise the extent of it. And do it goes on. But the idea sexual assault is only perpetrated by a tiny minority of boys in private schools is utterly ludicrous. We need to wake up and pay more attention to how all boys are brought up. "

WineAndMassage · 29/03/2021 09:06

Not shocked. Used to work in investment banking...Seen the vile behaviour steaming from entitlement and arrogance in abundance... try going to HR..they will get rid of you promptly..

Lessthanaballpark · 29/03/2021 08:48

Not shocked. Been saying it for decades. But pleased it’s finally getting some attention and proud of the girl who started it.

Ever since its stratospheric resurgence in the 90s I’ve always said porn is a scourge and was told to calm down.

Fucking minimising of a deeply conservative society.

PresentingPercy · 29/03/2021 08:43

I’ve just listened to a very interesting discussion about porn on the radio. How many parents know what their boys have on their phones? How many parents can get near their boys’ phones?

The sensational news is about the private schools which feeds into all the assumptions we make about money and it’s influence. It’s easy to be shocked. The fact is, of course, that sexual predators come from all sections of society. By being shocked at private school boys is to totally brush 90% of this under the carpet. Standard schools will have boy’s like this too and they are accessing porn just like all the others. These bots have just the same opportunity and motives.

I doubt the grooming gangs of Rochdale and other places were privately educated. They were still “entitled” males. It’s extremely dangerous to think this is a private school issue. It’s an issue about lack of respect for women. It’s a problem of upbringing and a failure of parental responsibility. It’s a problem in schools because they, like everyone else, didn’t realise the extent of it. And do it goes on. But the idea sexual assault is only perpetrated by a tiny minority of boys in private schools is utterly ludicrous. We need to wake up and pay more attention to how all boys are brought up.

Foxhasbigsocks · 29/03/2021 07:19

Also not shocked.

A girl reported a rape on the grounds of a state school near me in the 80s, but because the boy was under 14 he couldn’t be prosecuted. They have changed the law since then.

In the early 90s at university a girl was said to have been photographed while very drunk at one of the sports club events with a man on top of her simulating sex and then publicly shamed for it.

This stuff has been going on for a long time but if this “shocking” news makes it reduce then that’s great.

365sleepstogo · 29/03/2021 07:12

I am shocked.

I know sexual/sexist bullying happened in schools but never imagined anything like this. Maybe it’s because I went to an all girls school (not private) at secondary.
I remember one incident of boys from the next door mixed school shouting comments as we ran passed them during PE but only that one incident.

There was nothing remotely like this at my coed primary either.

DH went to a boys private secondary (not a big name) and he said there was bullying but he never saw boys bullying let alone sexually harassing or assaulting girls from other schools. However, parties were not a big thing, so may be the opportunities were just not there?

We don’t have teens or friends with teens so haven’t heard through this way either.

I mentioned on another thread how we visited Dulwich College a couple of times and spoke to innumerable parents of boys and didn’t get a whiff of anything like this. We really liked the school and would have happily sent our son there.
So, yes, shocked on many levels.

firedog · 28/03/2021 22:36

He wouldn't answer as he'll not see it as an issue

Oohhhbetty · 28/03/2021 19:34

Not shocked in the slightest - I was at the school that lots of rich London parents sent their DC to for sport and country air. I came from a tiny school and I was shocked beyond belief. I imagine I would find lovely like minded sporty boys as my first boyfriends, I found arrogant, thuggish boys who were either in ‘the gang’ or trying to be in ‘the gang’. The sensitive academic boys either shut up and hid away or tried to change to fit in. There was so much verbal and sexual abuse that it was a toxic place to grow up that took many of us years to stabilise again. I have met so many friends since who went to state school who had such normal experiences - dabbled in a bit of this or that, but didn’t live at an institution where you were made to feel ashamed of pretty much anything you did as a girl. I tried to message one of the boys who abused me a few years ago, to try and move on, and he didn’t even answer. Coward.

loveyouradvice · 28/03/2021 19:12

Being shocked makes news headlines....

I think this is BRILLIANT ... it means that all those named schools will start to change their cultures top down rather than thinking they are managing it by saying they have a "zero tolerance" policy - Ha Ha!

And change starts to happen.... more widely too as other schools/kids say "its here too"

OhCrumbsWhereNow · 28/03/2021 18:09

Not shocked at all. Most of what I've read there I have seen/heard about in the schools I was at, my siblings schools, and amongst young people in the two other countries I've lived in.

It's not a private/state or single sex/co-ed thing. It's basically some young people with rampant hormones, insecurities, low self-esteem, peer pressure, easy access to drugs/alcohol and unsupervised private space attempting to negotiate sexual relationships and failing pretty badly.

Not that that excuses any of it, but anyone thinking it's niche either has very sensible children or is living in la-la-land.