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I feel so angry reading 'Everyone's Invited' website about rape culture largely at private schools

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Bouledeneige · 26/03/2021 00:02

So I read the Dulwich College post and now the allegations about Highgate School on Newsnight. There are fulsome letters to both schools governors published online. They make for heartbreaking and stomach churning reading. I am so angry. I've just read the 'Everyone's invited' website and I can see how entrenched misogyny, rape culture, slut shaming, homophobia and racism are in the named school. - mostly private but a few selective.

And underling them all is a powerful suggestion that school leadership is all about 'boys will be boys', reputation management and 'there's two sides to every story'. So traumatised female students are forced into silence and reduced to walking the corridors with their abusers with lots of mockery and slutt shaming accompanying them. Its so disgusting - it is beyond anything that can be excused. Who on earth wants our sons to be recruited into this misogynistic and coercive rape culture or our daughters abused and living in fear of it?

I've stated my views on other threads. My kids went to a not so perfect state school in London. The big difference to these accounts is that they experienced a very 'woke' and 'right on' school culture that demonstrated a zero tolerance culture and empowerment of the female students. They were so empowered they actively and powerfully called out sexist, racist and homophobic behaviours and the perpetrators - boys - were called to account formally and informally. It was not a perfect school at all - there was drugs, sexual behaviour and bullying but the culture of the school was so zero tolerance it went beyond a few PHSE chats it was inculcated in the ethos of the whole school. the predominant culture was mature female and diverse voices,, backed by teachers and the leadership of the school articulating a mature and equitable world. To be fair I think the boys followed behind.

But I'm not focused on my DC's experiences. I'm absolutely choked that the Harvey Weinstein, rape assertive power dynamic is prospering in school environments. Its disgusting. I hope there is a root and branch review and parents start asking about the character that private and selective schools engender |not just the results. There's an old adage that a[rents of boys would prefer them to be civilised by being schooled alongside their female contemporaries but that girls do better in all female environments.

It is such a joke when we talk about equality in work environments when so many women have been exposed to these brutish rapey school environments. We will never change society if we don't change education. And we have to more actively prepare our young men for decent and egalitarian behaviour to women and our young women to be empowered to be empowered and seek retribution. But in the end it will be leadership in schools that have a primarily male culture that makes the biggest difference investigating and punishing out sexist and abusive behaviour and treating perpetrators in the same way as students accused of drugs offences. And secondly, peer pressure amongst young men at parties, on school buses and in classes that really calls out bad behaviour.- this is not who we are as men. It really, really matters. And parents can't leave it to someone else. They need to actively avoid school environments with toxic cultures and probe how they exert a zero tolerance egalitarian culture. Take action, remove your money and change the economy of private schooling.

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whenwillthemadnessend · 27/03/2021 18:37

I spoke to my DD about this recently as I read the threads on here she goes to a normal state comprehensive and is in year 10. She said that there are jokes and silly comments from boys and some boys do make rape jokes. She says that she keeps away from those types of boys but it's there all the same.

However she did say she was not aware of any groping or inappropriate touching or worse in the school that she goes to with anyone that she knows of, and there has been no gossip going around of that nature. Which is reassuring for her, my son goes to the same school and I have been drilling into him that rape jokes are not appropriate and I dont want to hear him using the word unless it's the right context.

I guess in some ways we are lucky that it is a decent school and it has not escalated any further however I still feel that these comments and jokes need to be stamped out as it's the stamped out as it's a huge issue and culture

UnFortunately however it is an extremely large Pandora's box to deal with and I imagine fuelled by the easy access to porn social media and also children far too young playing inappropriate computer games such as grand theft auto I know my son who is 13 has friends that were allowed to play grand theft auto from a very young age and he is still not allowed to play much to his disgust. I have explained to him that I'm not happy with the misogynistic game content and I don't care what his friends do but he is not allowed.

I really don't know what the answers are but I would imagine we have to start from the very bottom and at a very young age

Notenoughsleepmumof3 · 27/03/2021 18:36

Equally many girls and women do not come forward during the time of sexual assault because of the stigma that it can carry. They bury it, especially if they are doing well at school. The trauma of it can be delayed and only once they begin dealing with that trauma and breaking it down are they able to say it out loud and own what happened to them.

Notenoughsleepmumof3 · 27/03/2021 18:29

@PRESENTINGPERCY There are different complaints procedures. It can be difficult to complain about some things at state schools as well, especially bullying. But, there are more protections in place for the person making the complaint within the state sector and with Ofsted.

I can attest that, when my son was viciously beaten up in a stairwell in a state school, by a child who was 11, the head at the time asked me not to call the police, which was really out of order, as it was a serious assault. And the child was over 10. The police should have been involved.

Did the girls complain to their school? That would be interesting to know.

PresentingPercy · 27/03/2021 18:02

The law regarding safeguarding applies to all schools. It’s not entirely known if any school brushed allegations under the carpet if they happened in their premises. In fact, you might wonder why the parents of the girls didn’t go to the police if everyone knew what was happening. My guess would be they didn’t. All parents could be complicit in covering this up. However there is no difference between safeguarding in private schools and safeguarding in state schools. The policies should be more or less the same. Maybe parents in private schools don’t ask to see them or they are not on their web sites?

Ritasueandbobtoo9 · 27/03/2021 17:03

“This isn't just a private school issue”

I think safeguarding is often much better as schools will work in partnership with local police and councils about safeguarding and families whereas in private schools it is just left to the school and there is societal pressure not to go to the police.

Also in working class communities boys know they may get a kicking from the girls older relatives.

Notenoughsleepmumof3 · 27/03/2021 16:50

@Dillydaffy

State schools under local authority control have to deal much more seriously with these allegations than fee paying schools do hence the fact that some of these schools were able to push allegations under carpet. Just can’t happen in state schools - once they are reported the process is completely transparent, pupils put in isolation units whilst enquiry happens and police contacted. Time for ofstead to scrutinise fee paying sector.
This is very true and important to make note of. The schools were negligent in not dealing with the matters appropriately when they happened. Parents were also negligent either in their lack of knowledge or knowledge and ignoring it. Equally, I understand parents of private school kids getting defensive and feeling they are being attacked for their choices. However, much of this criminal behaviour is about entitlement. Boys feeling entitled to behave this way within their peer group. Private school kids, parents, and teachers often have a sense or a feeling of entitlement. That they are giving the best education, that they are the best without any real knowledge of what they are comparing themselves to sometimes. There is real ignorance there.

My kids have had a mix of both private and state. So I have experienced state and then private for 2 of mine until the end of primary and then opted for state secondary for all. In South London. I know plenty of parents at DC and the other privates in the area. The amount of entitled comments I received about my choice (especially since I turned down places at JAGS, ALLEYNS, DC) was astounding. Literally teachers and parents saying, well if you care about your child why wouldn't you give them the best. That is an entitled way of thinking. And if the teachers and the parents are saying it, you better believe the kids are thinking it and eventually believe it too. I know they did, because of what they said to my own children in the playground in year 6. So...I think this a real time for some self-reflection. I would never say this only exists in private schools, but the way it has been dealt with seems to be married to the idea of being entitled to get away with it. And that is a big problem.

PresentingPercy · 27/03/2021 14:46

I don’t think a unified inspection regime would make much difference. They both look at the legal safeguarding process in school and how schools dealt with complaints that come forward. One of the issues for many schools is that the girls have not come forward, until now.

There needs to be clarification about what happens at parties. Schools can have “bringing the school into disrepute” in their list of misdemeanours but they need some evidence of this to permanently exclude. Far more difficult to get at a party. School discipline is not a court of law, so probability is good enough. Incidents in school are more clear cut. In the year 18/19, 20 secondary pupils in every 10,000 were permanently excluded. 7500 pupils across all schools. Expect to see greater emphasis on sexual assaults and misogynistic behaviour in behaviour policies and strong action taken.

The big issue here is also dads and home culture. What is it like at home? Boys often are entitled and it runs in families. “Boys will be boys” is applied to all boys, wherever they are educated. Excuses are made for them and I think schools will soon be making it clear that there will be no tolerance of poor behaviour towards girls so some parents need to wake up when parenting boys.

Lanzo · 27/03/2021 06:52

This is a massive problem in state schools as well.

It is private school girls speaking out about it so it gives a very skewed impression of the situation.

shinealightonit · 26/03/2021 14:16

Entitlement comes in many forms - every school has its own form of social currency and it doesn't make sense that "everyone" from a particular school would have the same level of social currency as there's always a hierarchy. At my school the "entitled boys" who were the biggest sexual predators were part of a gang who dealt drugs on a small scale. They always had access to drugs and alcohol and places where people could go to party - people wanted to be "in" with this group because they were "cool" and seemed to be having more fun than everyone else. At other schools the entitled ones might be the sporting superstars or the good looking ones. You don't have to have rich parents to be the sort of dickhead that we are all calling out.

Lamplighter12 · 26/03/2021 13:51

This is not purely a private school problem
. But light is the best disinfectant. On that basis every private school should be subject to the same school inspectorate as all other schools in the country immediately.

OVienna · 26/03/2021 13:51

@Oohhhbetty

It sounds like Dulwich have self reported themselves to the charity commission so I suspect their internal processes will be much scrutinised.
Good for them.
OVienna · 26/03/2021 13:50

@DarlingOscar

This is a very naive take on the whole thing. This is an issue that affects every kid at every school. The fact that this one website has attracted comments from a small range of (largely) London Boys Independent schools does not mean that the issue is somehow magically restricted to those schools.

HTH

I agree. Also: the website is very London-based overall. Good on the owner of the site to take the school names down because (however cynical I am that it was as much to do with legal threats as anything else) I do think that there is a risk here with the geography, demographic, and status of the schools quoted in the main the whole thing will start to look like some sort of version of Fast Times at Ridgemont High. We should and must hear from students across the full spectrum.

I think it is very optimistic to suggest that state schools are better able to tackle this because so much happens off site as well.

SchrodingersUnicorn · 26/03/2021 13:08

It's so naive to think this is a private school problem or to think what you see of your kids' school is all there is.
This is widespread, in all sectors, and staff have their hands tied in all sectors by demands for 'evidence', the difficulty of expelling pupils and the apathetic attitude from predominantly male leadership and the police.

sandybayley · 26/03/2021 13:00

@pico1234 - I think Everyone's Invited said they won't publish school names going forward not that the previously named school references will be deleted. See this article

schoolsweek.co.uk/everyones-invited-rape-culture-website-stops-naming-schools-amid-fears-they-take-disproportionate-blame/

pico1234 · 26/03/2021 12:53

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pico1234 · 26/03/2021 12:51

@Jamiebond789, as of this morning the names all still seem to be there. However, if it is going to happen in due course, I agree that doing so will allow us to have a better cross society discussion about what’s happened/happening.

However, I think that allowing the school names to be published on her site, in the beginning, was actually necessary for the site to gain enough publicity and traction.

And, further, I don’t think that her statement regarding removing the names is based entirely the sentiment she speaks of (although I agree with it!), but more likely on the basis of legal advice! .....given that these top schools have incredible legal resources and are likely to be exploring all ‘their options’.

Jamiebond789 · 26/03/2021 12:08

I read today that Soma Sara has removed schools names from the everyonesinvited website. She is worried that certain schools are being “disproportionally blamed” and this “doesn’t reflect reality”. She also stated that “pointing the finger at certain demographics and institutions is damaging because we risk making these cases seem like anomalies” when the issue is pervasive across all of society.

Oohhhbetty · 26/03/2021 11:47

@Lindseylovescake. That all sounds good. You can’t really ignore it when so many newspapers have outed it I am sure - trial by press scrutiny. Interesting it is the broadsheets more than the red tops.

pico1234 · 26/03/2021 11:46

.....we’ll find out in due course I’m sure

pico1234 · 26/03/2021 11:45

Agree @Lindseylovescake. The key word there is “AND they have been following them”!

Lindseylovescake · 26/03/2021 11:40

@Oohhhbetty, that is standard practice under the code, and a requirement of any charity that is facing severe and public scrutiny, no matter what it might be for.

It is also the case that they have reported themselves to the LADO and the local police, also standard practice, yet additionally it also works for them, by showing parents and students that they are being open, transparent and have nothing to hide.

The charity commission will not be involved in any scrutinising with respects to internal processes, as the cases in hand come under the jurisdiction of the local authority and police - that is should the school have done anything illegal or the police require evidence to prosecute individuals for offences themselves.

It appears they are taking this seriously and following all the correct procedures. If they have sounds policies in force (their website indicates they do) AND they have been following them correctly, then they have nothing to hide from. Im sure they will also be subject to an emergency ISI (the ofsted for independent schools) inspection at some point soon too.

Oohhhbetty · 26/03/2021 11:31

It sounds like Dulwich have self reported themselves to the charity commission so I suspect their internal processes will be much scrutinised.

dcb2 · 26/03/2021 11:07

Agree that there are formal processes in private schools too. I won't go into details for obvious reasons and it wasn't of the same nature as this thread but quite a serious offence was committed by a private school pupil.

The incidents were investigated, the pupil in question was expelled and, with school's support, the Metropolitan Police decided to prosecute.

Oohhhbetty · 26/03/2021 10:38

Clearly some of the named schools haven’t been following the process quite as they should - we will discover more as the cases unfold. But absolutely this is not sector dependent, this is nationwide and perhaps due to phones and porn and inattentive parenting. Good on these brave girls in ALL schools to use their voices.

alongtimeagoin2019 · 26/03/2021 10:37

[quote Dillydaffy]@alongtimeagoin2019 yes they have to deal with things that go on outside school and also on phones if they are reported to schools. The process is clear and transparent - once there has been a reporting on an incident that ticks the LA boxes, the D.C. who allegation is made against is put in to isolation, parents contacted, parents of victims contacted and police officers are assigned to talk first to parents and then children.[/quote]
But the private schools also have clear and transparent processes- I have worked in some. Those processes obviously don't always work- in the same way they don't always in the state schools either...(also know from experience). You've only got to read on MN about things that go on at ALL schools where nothing is done.