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I feel so angry reading 'Everyone's Invited' website about rape culture largely at private schools

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Bouledeneige · 26/03/2021 00:02

So I read the Dulwich College post and now the allegations about Highgate School on Newsnight. There are fulsome letters to both schools governors published online. They make for heartbreaking and stomach churning reading. I am so angry. I've just read the 'Everyone's invited' website and I can see how entrenched misogyny, rape culture, slut shaming, homophobia and racism are in the named school. - mostly private but a few selective.

And underling them all is a powerful suggestion that school leadership is all about 'boys will be boys', reputation management and 'there's two sides to every story'. So traumatised female students are forced into silence and reduced to walking the corridors with their abusers with lots of mockery and slutt shaming accompanying them. Its so disgusting - it is beyond anything that can be excused. Who on earth wants our sons to be recruited into this misogynistic and coercive rape culture or our daughters abused and living in fear of it?

I've stated my views on other threads. My kids went to a not so perfect state school in London. The big difference to these accounts is that they experienced a very 'woke' and 'right on' school culture that demonstrated a zero tolerance culture and empowerment of the female students. They were so empowered they actively and powerfully called out sexist, racist and homophobic behaviours and the perpetrators - boys - were called to account formally and informally. It was not a perfect school at all - there was drugs, sexual behaviour and bullying but the culture of the school was so zero tolerance it went beyond a few PHSE chats it was inculcated in the ethos of the whole school. the predominant culture was mature female and diverse voices,, backed by teachers and the leadership of the school articulating a mature and equitable world. To be fair I think the boys followed behind.

But I'm not focused on my DC's experiences. I'm absolutely choked that the Harvey Weinstein, rape assertive power dynamic is prospering in school environments. Its disgusting. I hope there is a root and branch review and parents start asking about the character that private and selective schools engender |not just the results. There's an old adage that a[rents of boys would prefer them to be civilised by being schooled alongside their female contemporaries but that girls do better in all female environments.

It is such a joke when we talk about equality in work environments when so many women have been exposed to these brutish rapey school environments. We will never change society if we don't change education. And we have to more actively prepare our young men for decent and egalitarian behaviour to women and our young women to be empowered to be empowered and seek retribution. But in the end it will be leadership in schools that have a primarily male culture that makes the biggest difference investigating and punishing out sexist and abusive behaviour and treating perpetrators in the same way as students accused of drugs offences. And secondly, peer pressure amongst young men at parties, on school buses and in classes that really calls out bad behaviour.- this is not who we are as men. It really, really matters. And parents can't leave it to someone else. They need to actively avoid school environments with toxic cultures and probe how they exert a zero tolerance egalitarian culture. Take action, remove your money and change the economy of private schooling.

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Watermelon1234 · 01/04/2021 08:21

@PresentingPercy

We see mobs “ruling” and influencing all the time now. It’s who makes the best footage and gets it out there. You don’t need much of it. It’s not surprising this has boiled over. It surprises me, though, that no one cared enough to demonstrate for the Rochdale girls.
Yes that was a massive scandal - most likely still happening in other areas- and it felt like it was brushed over and minimally reported on. Maybe it wasn’t pc enough...
PresentingPercy · 31/03/2021 23:49

We see mobs “ruling” and influencing all the time now. It’s who makes the best footage and gets it out there. You don’t need much of it. It’s not surprising this has boiled over. It surprises me, though, that no one cared enough to demonstrate for the Rochdale girls.

GoLightlyontheEarth · 31/03/2021 22:06

@SilverGlitterBaubles

The main issue here is that parents, schools and society are failing children. Why are our kids being raised with access to extreme porn, why have boys and girls got little understanding of relationships, why have they so little self respect and respect for others. We now have a situation where this gone from a genuine call for girls and women's voices to be heard to something that has snowballed into a nasty out of control social media slur campaign against all males with young teens being named and shamed online for alleged sexual harassment or assaults. We had a situation today where a large gang of girls targeted boy who someone had alleged something about resulting in him being attacked and kicked in the head. It's now mob rule and trial by social media. These are kids it's all gone way too far.
I completely agree. That’s horrendous.
SilverGlitterBaubles · 31/03/2021 22:01

The main issue here is that parents, schools and society are failing children. Why are our kids being raised with access to extreme porn, why have boys and girls got little understanding of relationships, why have they so little self respect and respect for others. We now have a situation where this gone from a genuine call for girls and women's voices to be heard to something that has snowballed into a nasty out of control social media slur campaign against all males with young teens being named and shamed online for alleged sexual harassment or assaults. We had a situation today where a large gang of girls targeted boy who someone had alleged something about resulting in him being attacked and kicked in the head. It's now mob rule and trial by social media. These are kids it's all gone way too far.

GoLightlyontheEarth · 31/03/2021 18:21

I’ve worked in an Academy. The education is not in any way shape or form on a par with those of Independent schools.

Elij00 · 31/03/2021 16:17

@CJFJ1

Clearly the answer is to close all independent schools down and convert them to state academies.
We'd close the majority of schools in the UK both state and private if we were to go by this rule. Even some of the squeaky clean All Girls Schools will have to close too.
ApplyWithin · 31/03/2021 14:28

I noticed that the headmaster of Dulwich college reported things to police and one of the things he was quoted as saying was so "those involved have chance to clear their name" so I don't know if he said more and this quote was focused on by the Guardian and if he also said he reported so police could investigate and bring people to justice if appropriate as well. But it reads like even the head treats it like false allegations which is part of the problem

Innocent until proven guilty surely? Same as when the police say they want to eliminate a suspect from their inquiries. A girl comes to the head with an allegation, the head questions the alleged perpetrator who denies it. What is he supposed to do? Call the police and say “string this kid up, I wasn’t there but this girl says he did it and I believe her version of events no questions asked” ? He’s letting the police deal with it because it is a police matter.

NewModelArmyMayhem18 · 31/03/2021 12:47

@Lollipop888 you must have read my mind. I typed a paragraph referencing the young female medical school from Oxford then deleted it (not sure why). But I think the reason people are 'having a go' at these eltitist public schools is for the very reason that somehow pupils' potential is put above what is right to do.

Curioushorse · 31/03/2021 12:46

This is such an interesting thread (in a bad way- but also in the almost universal lack of surprise. Yeah, I too have experienced the entitled behaviour from men who went through elite private schools. It is very believable that they expect to be able to attract and behave towards others sexually in the same entitled way they live their life).

.....but I know somebody who is trying to deal with the aftermath from this website. They’ve had an anonymous allegation about their school on the website. It’s serious. Because it’s anonymous though, they have no way of directly helping the victim or investigating the perpetrator. They don’t even know if it’s an historic accusation, or about a recent incident.

Lollipop888 · 31/03/2021 12:40

@NewModelArmyMayhem18

I suspect the excuse of not wanting to ruin bright boys' promising futures was often the rationale for not progressing complaints of inappropriate behaviour by schools. Shameful.
Definitely agree with this.

It needs to be addressed in all walks of life though not just schools. I remember in the last few years a female medical student from Oxford or cambridge uni I think getting off lightly with stabbing her boyfriend because she had a promising future (and probably had rich parents and went to a “good” school before that).

Lollipop888 · 31/03/2021 12:36

@tangerinelollipop

the ones that aren't businesses reliant on customers

These ones do not come with a certificate of holiness either Confused

All kinds of shenanigans can happen in them too (including coverups, etc)

I definitely agree that there are problems in state schools too and attempts to cover up behaviour and bullying etc but equally can see that exposing such behaviour in these schools would not make as much of a headline as exposing it at the top schools.

It doesn’t mean state or academy schools are squeaky clean though.

And I agree it sounds like there has been a lot of reputation protecting going on- school, head and pupil.

Oohhhbetty · 31/03/2021 12:24

I think a few things are going on -

Firstly (hopefully) every school in the land is learning from the fee paying schools being thrown under the bus by previously compliant/on message journalists in the broad sheet media who publish many paid adverts from these schools but seem to be currently brave enough to threaten to lose that advertising revenue to use these schools' famous status to hold up as an example to other schools that don't get the clicks (the Everything Invited idea got no traction until they began to name schools - have a look at the article in the Times today by Alice Thompson who explains that no one was interested until it was shiny schools that were being named.) These schools sacrificed their reputations for the greater good -well they do like to say that they like to help state schools learn 'better practice', maybe we can pass this off as doing their bit for wider education which helps with their charitable status?

Secondly, fee paying parents of sons at schools such as DC are horrified that having paid exorbitant amounts of money to make sure that every time their child wrote the words Dulwich College (or similar) on an UCAS form, CV or job application that it would bestow them some sort of special treatment, they find instead that they might, by default, that the interviewer/reader might think, by default, that they are a sexual predator and not want them at their uni/company etc. And that bloody hurts, I get it, no one wanted to bestow that special treatment on their child. No one wants there child to be discriminated against because of where they went to school (that is why they paid in the first place, to avoid such things, non?)

But the most important thing is what do we do going forward? How do we make young boys see that this is no longer acceptable in any school, on any phone, at any party, in any club, to any other human being, whether it is a girl or a more vulnerable boy?

NewModelArmyMayhem18 · 31/03/2021 12:18

Because there aren't any issues with academies. There are plenty of issues in state schools but I just don't think pupils' potential (and it being ruined) is 'protected' in quite the same way, I really don't.

PresentingPercy · 31/03/2021 12:16

Actually all schools are reliant on parental good-will. They just differ slightly in how this manifests itself. You will know that there is a massive scramble for places at London senior schools. There will be enough parents to go round - whatever.

I notice Winchester is now reviewing whether they now want girls.

Private schools are not going to close in London. Or probably anywhere else because of this. Minor ones do close for financial reasons but they have usually been on the wane for years and are uninspiring. The big names will not close - definitely not in London. All heads will be very anxious to improve safeguarding and welfare and ensure parents know they are doing this in a robust manner. I have no doubt parents of boys will be made aware that tolerance levels of abuse are now 0. If, as alleged, PR companies are very busy with school business, it is not getting into the press! I would say gloss and PR has been notably absent.

I also think it is very wrong to blame teachers and schools for DC behaving badly in private houses. However if a DC discloses something to a teacher, under safeguarding law, the teacher must act. The police too. What about criticising the police for non action? They have a long history of that.

tangerinelollipop · 31/03/2021 12:07

Generalisations are wrong IMO. Specific issues need to be properly addressed wherever they take place

tangerinelollipop · 31/03/2021 12:07

the ones that aren't businesses reliant on customers

These ones do not come with a certificate of holiness either Confused

All kinds of shenanigans can happen in them too (including coverups, etc)

Oohhhbetty · 31/03/2021 11:56

@stokey
Issues at all schools but the ones that aren't businesses reliant on customers are less interested in crisis management PR agencies and brand protection. There are some very busy PR people right now I am told.

Oohhhbetty · 31/03/2021 11:54

@NewModelArmyMayhem18 My husband always says he was most upset about the parents at his prep - they knew the teacher had done things and that he had been moved on to another school (and no doubt more victims) but no one spoke up, not wanting to tarnish the reputation of the school that their sons were at. It is a very top Prep school and they wanted their sons to be able to say that they went to that school in their later lives without tarnish.

Stokey · 31/03/2021 11:54

Because there aren't any issues with academies Hmm

NewModelArmyMayhem18 · 31/03/2021 11:52

I suspect the excuse of not wanting to ruin bright boys' promising futures was often the rationale for not progressing complaints of inappropriate behaviour by schools. Shameful.

Oohhhbetty · 31/03/2021 11:36

This sums up how many are feeling about the covering up - poor poor girl

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-56567390

Oohhhbetty · 31/03/2021 11:23

Or at least have a transparent inspection regime for both sectors of education?

CJFJ1 · 31/03/2021 11:12

Clearly the answer is to close all independent schools down and convert them to state academies.

Oohhhbetty · 31/03/2021 11:05

My. husband knew of several boys abused at his prep but says he escaped as he wasn't 'pretty enough'. It is stomach turning. And the teacher was sent on to another school when he was exposed. Late80's so not even that long ago.

Stokey · 31/03/2021 10:57

It's awful but unsurprising the historic abuse that went on. By the time I was at boarding school in the 80s, beatings would have been frowned upon but there were still lesser instances of physical violence. For example I remember a teacher throwing a board rubber at me, and another one banging mine and my friend's heads together.

I think it was around that time people became more switched on about paedophilia in boarding schools. I remember male friends being interviewed in the 90s at uni about a larger paedo ring around several boarding schools in central England.