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I feel so angry reading 'Everyone's Invited' website about rape culture largely at private schools

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Bouledeneige · 26/03/2021 00:02

So I read the Dulwich College post and now the allegations about Highgate School on Newsnight. There are fulsome letters to both schools governors published online. They make for heartbreaking and stomach churning reading. I am so angry. I've just read the 'Everyone's invited' website and I can see how entrenched misogyny, rape culture, slut shaming, homophobia and racism are in the named school. - mostly private but a few selective.

And underling them all is a powerful suggestion that school leadership is all about 'boys will be boys', reputation management and 'there's two sides to every story'. So traumatised female students are forced into silence and reduced to walking the corridors with their abusers with lots of mockery and slutt shaming accompanying them. Its so disgusting - it is beyond anything that can be excused. Who on earth wants our sons to be recruited into this misogynistic and coercive rape culture or our daughters abused and living in fear of it?

I've stated my views on other threads. My kids went to a not so perfect state school in London. The big difference to these accounts is that they experienced a very 'woke' and 'right on' school culture that demonstrated a zero tolerance culture and empowerment of the female students. They were so empowered they actively and powerfully called out sexist, racist and homophobic behaviours and the perpetrators - boys - were called to account formally and informally. It was not a perfect school at all - there was drugs, sexual behaviour and bullying but the culture of the school was so zero tolerance it went beyond a few PHSE chats it was inculcated in the ethos of the whole school. the predominant culture was mature female and diverse voices,, backed by teachers and the leadership of the school articulating a mature and equitable world. To be fair I think the boys followed behind.

But I'm not focused on my DC's experiences. I'm absolutely choked that the Harvey Weinstein, rape assertive power dynamic is prospering in school environments. Its disgusting. I hope there is a root and branch review and parents start asking about the character that private and selective schools engender |not just the results. There's an old adage that a[rents of boys would prefer them to be civilised by being schooled alongside their female contemporaries but that girls do better in all female environments.

It is such a joke when we talk about equality in work environments when so many women have been exposed to these brutish rapey school environments. We will never change society if we don't change education. And we have to more actively prepare our young men for decent and egalitarian behaviour to women and our young women to be empowered to be empowered and seek retribution. But in the end it will be leadership in schools that have a primarily male culture that makes the biggest difference investigating and punishing out sexist and abusive behaviour and treating perpetrators in the same way as students accused of drugs offences. And secondly, peer pressure amongst young men at parties, on school buses and in classes that really calls out bad behaviour.- this is not who we are as men. It really, really matters. And parents can't leave it to someone else. They need to actively avoid school environments with toxic cultures and probe how they exert a zero tolerance egalitarian culture. Take action, remove your money and change the economy of private schooling.

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PresentingPercy · 03/04/2021 13:57

@GovernorTeacherLawyer
Thanks for your response. I agree with what you say.

The trouble with the narrow view of public schools only is that it won’t produce a better society for girls. It’s fair enough to query the premise of the post. It’s very easy to get caught up in the journalism that just looks at fee paying schools but that’s letting down all girls.

Poorlykitten · 03/04/2021 13:18

But this is a thread about the private school abuse cases. If you want to start one about state schools or a more general one, then go ahead.

tf23 · 03/04/2021 12:39

@manymanymany

Why are private school parents so defensive? There's no 'bashing' in the OP's balanced, reasonable post. Stop derailing the thread please. These schools' so-called charitable status is already a joke and it's fair enough to question their ethos.
Being honest, I'm defensive because of the title of the thread being "largely at private schools". It has since been said by the founder of EI that it wasn't the case.

I'm also defensive due to some of the fairly offensive generalisations made about private school pupils and their parents. I wouldn't generalise about state school pupils or parents in this way as I think it's inappropriate and clouds the real problem.

The most important issue here is the experience of those who've written accounts. They were shocking to read. It's not a private v state issue, it's an issue that we should all try to address, both as parents, but also with the schools themselves.

GovernorTeacherLawyer · 03/04/2021 12:35

@manymanymany

Why are private school parents so defensive? There's no 'bashing' in the OP's balanced, reasonable post. Stop derailing the thread please. These schools' so-called charitable status is already a joke and it's fair enough to question their ethos.
@manymanymany. Did you mean to quote me? Your comment seems irrelevant to what I, and the person to whom I was replying, said. 1. I'm not a private school parent; 2. what has "bashing" got to do with anything? 3. Discussions about whether our not a change to the inspection regime would lead to a diminution of such abusive acts in schools would seem to be very much on topic (and derailing the thread), unlike the ludicrous red herring of a school's charitable status!
GovernorTeacherLawyer · 03/04/2021 12:31

[quote Oohhhbetty]@PresentingPercy Yes we must move forward across society, accepting that there are problems in every institution in the land, and there have been some good threads with ideas and lots of parents discussing how they might parent differently

This thread however is about the OP and other people being angry in particular with private schools, particularly those that ignored complaints from alleged victims. Another two scandal schools in the Telegraph today. Why did these schools take no action? I know other schools in state sector no doubt did too, I understand that we don't hear about them in press, but my question to you is this - can you see that parents paying huge fees might expect more from these particular models of schools? Why did the schools who have been mentioned, who took money from parents in good faith, not do better? they sell themselves as better in every way, why not this way?

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/04/02/exclusive-elite-schools-ignored-us-warned-rape-culture/[/quote]
@Oohhhbetty "Why did these schools take no action?" First, that assumes that the incidents were actually reported. Second, the probability that if they were reported NO action was taken is so low as to be beyond credible. Third, as we know from police and court reports, trying to establish accurately what happened in incidents of this kind is incredibly difficult even for well-trained professional interviewers. Fourth, (rightly or wrongly) schools will be at least as concerned not to punish and tarnish the innocent as they are to discover and punish the guilty. Fifth, you'll be hard pressed to find any private school that markets itself as "better in every way". Other than that, I think you make a good point about parental expectation; I happen to think they are wrong, however if they expect a better quality of protection and support for their kids just because they pay fees directly. The protection and support of our children is a basic right parents should expect and duty that schools should provide, irrespective of funding arrangements.

manymanymany · 03/04/2021 12:29

Why are private school parents so defensive? There's no 'bashing' in the OP's balanced, reasonable post. Stop derailing the thread please. These schools' so-called charitable status is already a joke and it's fair enough to question their ethos.

GovernorTeacherLawyer · 03/04/2021 12:16

@Curioushorse

Do you know what would be interesting? If OfSTED inspected private as well as state schools. Their standards are enormously higher than ISI- which is basically a gentleman’s club. I know that sounds contentious- but those of us who have taught in both environments will know the inspections are nowhere near comparable. And.....I don’t think a lot of private schools want them to be, because I don’t think they’d necessarily come out well.

This is a really good example of a situation we can’t compare. OfSTED haven’t policed the private sector in terms of safeguarding in the same way as the state, so there is no way of examining this situation properly.

@Curioushorse If you really think that the Ofsted inspection regime and criteria are (and have been for the last 9 years) "enormously higher than ISI" then I'm afraid I find it hard to believe that your experience in schools has had much to do with the insertion system. Having managed inspections in both the maintained and private sectors, I can tell you that I found both regimes equally robust, broad and deep, and both equally flawed.
Oohhhbetty · 03/04/2021 10:17

@PresentingPercy Yes we must move forward across society, accepting that there are problems in every institution in the land, and there have been some good threads with ideas and lots of parents discussing how they might parent differently

This thread however is about the OP and other people being angry in particular with private schools, particularly those that ignored complaints from alleged victims. Another two scandal schools in the Telegraph today. Why did these schools take no action? I know other schools in state sector no doubt did too, I understand that we don't hear about them in press, but my question to you is this - can you see that parents paying huge fees might expect more from these particular models of schools? Why did the schools who have been mentioned, who took money from parents in good faith, not do better? they sell themselves as better in every way, why not this way?

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/04/02/exclusive-elite-schools-ignored-us-warned-rape-culture/

PresentingPercy · 03/04/2021 09:40

Exactly. Just saying entitlement of a certain kind is solely a private school issue is ludicrous. It has already led to the debate being narrowed down and prevention and education is needed in all sectors of society. However I think home life and upbringing are starting points. Parents should look at their parenting but certain cultures promote males in the heirarchy. So how is that going to change?

NotDonna · 02/04/2021 23:26

Private, state, whatever. Pretty irrelevant. More importantly how do we PREVENT this!

OhamIreally · 02/04/2021 22:32

@PresentingPercy you have misunderstood and are suggesting that I merely assumed these boys were privately educated. I knew exactly where many of them went to school because they would talk about their schools and many of them were well known public schools.

PresentingPercy · 02/04/2021 19:58

I was an older mum! No. I don’t have it in for grammar schools. I don’t necessarily equate the odd pushy parents I’ve come across with every parent of a child at a grammar. I know lots of parents whose DC went to the grammars and some are my friends!!!

However, I did work in Education and I dealt with DC who were excluded. Trying to find them new schools for a fresh start. They were excluded from all sorts of schools. However it’s obviously wrong to assume university students are from private schools when you haven’t asked them. I do at least know where the DC go to school.

Oohhhbetty · 02/04/2021 17:41

@PresentingPercy but you seem to have it in for all grammar schools based on what ever happened between you and the ‘pushy parents’ at your DD’s state primary years ago (you mentioned you are retirement age so I am guessing this was a while ago and hardly true of every grammar parent in the land) Everyone brings in their own anecdotal experience to these forums they are not based on data but on people.

PresentingPercy · 02/04/2021 16:56

You went to one school. Yet you compared boys who went to whole myraid of pivate schools. So you think. Did you ask all of them, or just make assumptions because you did not like them? What do you think of men cat-calling from building sites? Or the men who have groomed girls? Do they not have "entitled" attitudes in their way?

OhamIreally · 02/04/2021 10:46

@PresentingPercy

Why do you think that entitlement is purely a private school issue? I’ve seen state school boys exactly the same. The hard army types. The arrogant rugby types. The cock of the walk types, the “get yer tits out” catcalling types. Honestly - this behaviour is everywhere! In all schools. Just looks a bit different in state schools.
I think it because I went to a large state co-Ed school and never saw the huge sense of entitlement that I witnessed amongst the privately educated boys I met at university. So I had a good basis of comparison.
BasiliskStare · 01/04/2021 18:45

Ds went to a school which is private & single sex & to say once more , DS says that during his time there he never ever saw any bullying or given they had social evenings with other schools ( single sex female schools ) no untoward behaviour But the school was very very much - behave properly. - it was a rule and during Ds's time he cannot remember anyone over stepping the mark.

AuntieStella · 01/04/2021 18:13

No chance of karma, these boys were protected by the golden bubble of wealth and powerful parents. No doubt the fathers were bullies like the sons

So many of the accounts added to the website in the last week are from bog standard comps, such that the site's founder now says it's just plain wrong to say it's a private school issue. The experiences of those girls matter, and it seems the toxic males who have never been near a golden bubble are going to be overlooked. Opportunity lost?

BasiliskStare · 01/04/2021 16:59

One more point a relative of mine during his time at Winchester saw none of this - not all private schools are dreadful.

BasiliskStare · 01/04/2021 15:58

No chance of karma, these boys were protected by the golden bubble of wealth and powerful parents. No doubt the fathers were bullies like the sons,

Yup - right. - Good gideon. Sad

& onwards to more considered debate

PresentingPercy · 01/04/2021 12:52

We had that with the married head of a local secondary school and his secretary. He went in the end. Messy though. School ended up as RI too.

tf23 · 01/04/2021 12:27

@PresentingPercy

I was aware, when I was working In education and young, that there was concern about abuse by a teacher at a boys’ grammar school nearby. The teacher was moved on to a girls’ school! Nothing happened at all! Ifcdnyime thinks, yet again, that this is just a private school issue, they are wrong!
Ditto. Name change but I knew of someone who was abused by a teacher at my state primary school. Despite one of the parents being a police officer, the teacher was not charged and remained at the school for years thereafter. The child in question had to move school for obvious reasons.

Tangential to the issue here but two teachers at my kids' prep school were allegedly seeing each other (one single, one married) and they were both quietly "moved on". I don't see covering up as more of a private school issue.

PresentingPercy · 01/04/2021 11:50

Why do you think that entitlement is purely a private school issue? I’ve seen state school boys exactly the same. The hard army types. The arrogant rugby types. The cock of the walk types, the “get yer tits out” catcalling types. Honestly - this behaviour is everywhere! In all schools. Just looks a bit different in state schools.

OhamIreally · 01/04/2021 10:21

I think this is the tip of the iceberg and it will be shown to be endemic in state schools as well.
I went to a co-ed state school decades ago and there was all the usual bra-strap pinging and calling girls "slags". From there I went to a good university with a large contingent of public school educated students. The arrogance and entitlement coupled with misogyny of the male students took my breath away- it was more pronounced than anything I'd seen or experienced.
I think the sense of entitlement instilled by private schools really feeds into this. Totally toxic.

PresentingPercy · 01/04/2021 09:00

I was aware, when I was working In education and young, that there was concern about abuse by a teacher at a boys’ grammar school nearby. The teacher was moved on to a girls’ school! Nothing happened at all! Ifcdnyime thinks, yet again, that this is just a private school issue, they are wrong!

Poorlykitten · 01/04/2021 08:56

I know of someone, in his 40s who was repeatedly abused by his teacher at private school. It was all brushed under the carpet and he was paid off with a (very insignificant) lump sum to keep quiet...(Which, he did and the teacher kept his job). The whole of the management team and board knew about it, they didn’t want the name of the extremely posh boarding school to be tainted.