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Admission appeal for yr 7 place

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SummerHouse · 24/03/2021 11:35

We have handed in our appeal but deadline is Monday so I could still add to it. Thought I could relax once it was in but no, I dreamed the panel were executioners last night. It feels like it is down to which parents can argue their case best and I know some have legal reps.

One thing I am wondering is if we need more evidence. So for example the school we want offers German. We have close family in Germany and had visited every year. Should I ask for evidence from them that they are German citizens or is that ridiculous?

Also wondering what they might ask at the hearing if anyone has experience?

What a horrible process. Sympathy with all who are going through this.

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prh47bridge · 24/03/2021 14:09

It isn't that weak. A lot of appellants concentrate on issues that aren't relevant - distance from school, transport issues and so on. Identifying a specific area where your son will be disadvantaged if he is not admitted gets you on the right lines. It will help if you can identify other things he will miss out on if he isn't admitted.

SummerHouse · 24/03/2021 13:50

Our case is weak but that's better to know so we can focus on the school he has been offered and get him mentally prepared. DS can understand a fair bit of German and can speak some words and phrases but that's it. It's a very good point about our commitment to him learning the language which has really been pretty poor. Glad this has been highlighted now and not at the panel hearing so I can at least be prepared.

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Embracelife · 24/03/2021 13:30

It may seem a little odd that you visit Germany each year and see relatives but you waiting for a,secondary school to teach basic German...surely ds has that level already? Or you have pursued lessons outside already?

But there must be other stronger reasons to be appealing and why the school you want is best.

For dd appeal it was based on her particular health needs.

prh47bridge · 24/03/2021 13:29

It isn't about who argues their case best. It is about who has the best case. A really polished presentation will get you nowhere if you don't have a decent case.

The deadline for appeals is not the final deadline for updating your case. When you are told the date of the hearing you will be given a deadline for submitting evidence. You can change or add to your appeal right up to that point.

If the school you've been offered does not offer German, that is a good point which should carry some weight. It will help if you can show that your child wants to learn German or has already started to do so.

Don't bother with evidence that close family are German citizens. That would be over the top.

It is impossible to predict what an appeal panel will ask in the hearing but they should be concentrating on clarifying any points that are unclear and testing any possible weaknesses in your case.

Friendship issues will only carry weight if there is expert evidence that your child has a greater need to stay with friends than other children of that age. As others have said, friendships change a lot at this age. It is not uncommon for children to drop their lifelong best friend within a few weeks of starting secondary school.

Embracelife · 24/03/2021 13:26

If you speak a lot of "German" and ds uses it with relatives then he can take it as a community language for gcse,as additional gcse. My dds did this with their language and got high grades with just a bit of practice with relative. Most schools will be happy to put forward and pay. Since gcse is basic level so he would be totally bored in classes if he using the language with relatives and it would be a waste of class gcse time when he could take as additional language as extra

SummerHouse · 24/03/2021 13:19

Thanks so much all. I think your kindness is actually what I really needed. Especially the lots of lovely friends waiting for him comment. I feel calmer. Whatever will be, will be. In the grand scheme of things, this is nothing.

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Hersetta427 · 24/03/2021 13:11

I think the language issue will carry more weight if you can demonstrate your commitment to the language. Has your son already started taking German lessons etc? I think if you haven't and your only tie is because you have German friends who visit annually then you may have a tougher time as the need to learn the language seems tenuous at best.

LIZS · 24/03/2021 12:29

I doubt having German speaking family will influence an appeal, subjects offered especially mfl can vary by demand and availability of staff. Very few schools give much choice.

MrsAvocet · 24/03/2021 12:25

I can't help with the appeal advice but did just want to say please try not to worry about friendship issues. As EduCated says, most children make new friends in Secondary. All of my children had completely new friendship groups by the end of the first term in year 7 and most people I know say the same. My youngest had a friend much the same as you describe and now they grunt at each other in recognition and that's about it. They didn't "fall out" just grew apart as new horizons opened up.
I know it seems like a huge thing now (my middle child went to a different school to his friends) but try not to dwell on it too much. There are almost certainly lots of lovely new friends waiting at whichevet secondary your DC ends up at.

LolaSmiles · 24/03/2021 12:25

I think you've got to relax as much as possible. You're right that friendships aren't grounds so a passing mention is enough. Wanting a specific language is, in my experience, probably not enough grounds for an appeal but you might be lucky.

There's a poster who is excellent on legal things but I always get their username wrong. Hopefully they'll come along.

SummerHouse · 24/03/2021 12:21

Thank EduCated you sound very wise. It's very reassuring to hear that I have done the right thing in not going to town on that in the appeal.

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EduCated · 24/03/2021 12:17

The advice from the very knowledgeable and experienced people on here is generally that legal reps are, at best, a bit pointless unless you genuinely feel you are absolutely unable to present your appeal, because they tend to approach it as a legal case and not as the appeal process works.

And you are correct that friendships are only really a passing mention unless there is specific (documented) need. They may have been inseparable until now, but there’s nothing to suggest they won’t go their separate ways even in the same class. Probably feels unimaginable, but secondary is a big change and friendships naturally tend to shift and change at this point anyway Smile

SummerHouse · 24/03/2021 12:01

Also I was advised that a friendship is not a good reason so it gets a passing mention but it's actually what keeps me awake at night. They have known each other since babies and best friends since as long as they could have a best friend. Nursery, pre school and primary they have been inseparable. Is this something that even comes into consideration?

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