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CSG - What do the cut off distances mean this year?

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GreenAndSpringy · 08/03/2021 12:09

I’ve been following the Banded cut off distances for Camden School for Girls (CSG) with interest for some years now.

2020
A 0.46
B 0.77
C 0.47
D 0.40
2019
A 0.82
B 0.49
C 0.31
D 0.54
2018
A 0.80
B 0.58
C 0.88
D 0.35

But the latest have really thrown a curve ball:
2021
A 1.32
B 0.81
C 0.42
D 0.30

I’d like to get my head around what this disproportionate A Band distance is actually telling us.

I guess it’s possible that many of the girls who sat the Banding test and received the higher scores asked to be removed from the Council’s list before the 1st March if they received an Indy offer before then (or moved from Town). This kind of fits in with the narrative that more children are taking up private options this year. This isn’t my preferred theory.

I suspect that it’s more likely that a larger cohort than usual of academically very-able girls took the test and weren’t dissuaded by the historical cut off points. This theory suggests the A band is made up mostly of girls who would ordinarily score amongst the highest 10% of a CAT and thus are distributed amongst the population accordingly - hence the longer offer distances. It also suggests that most of the sibling offers weren’t in the higher bands this year.

Furthermore, if the trend to go private this year is real (at least locally), my guess is that the unpublished Waiting List offer distances for Band A (and to an extent Band B) would extend rather further still.

Am wondering if anybody else has been struck by the unusual cut off distances this year and has any comment, or come up with their own ideas/theories. One final data point is that Band D is 0.3 miles and there are at least 10 girls waiting who live no more than 0.1 mile past that point - it is a VERY squashed band.

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Camdenish · 08/03/2022 17:13

Again, a tiny band D. All those local girls missing out on a place. It makes me so cross.

2020 intake was an anomaly with A being very small. I suppose this is to do with Covid, but I can't work out how.

laughinglemons · 07/03/2022 23:54

Thanks Purple. Looking for next year. Please post if you know anything about the waiting lists moving and what distances offers get to.

PurpleNotebook · 02/03/2022 12:23

Camden Banding Distances:

Band A (coloured orange) - in 2022 this was 0.81 miles

Band B (coloured blue) - in 2022 this was 0.80 miles

Band C (coloured green) - in 2022 this was 0.54 miles

Band D (coloured purple) - in 2022 this was 0.36 miles

Not sure how that relates to everyone on waiting lists for Camden School for Girls, but much smaller Band A than last year, and Bands A and B identical.

sammyvine · 10/05/2021 23:22

@TwentyNotOut

DD1 had her heart set on Parli for Sept 19 entry. On offer say she was around 120 on the waiting list and never got below 50. We live in an area where historically she would have got a waiting list place in any of the 4 preceding years (for which I had data). It was a long, agonising summer.

She is happily settled at another school now (not in Camden, sadly), but DD2 now has a bee in her bonnet about Parli despite my discouragement! We will be applying next year - this thread has been helpful in reinforcing why I am right to discourage her from getting her hopes up!

We are too far from CSG to consider it, but it does make me fume that they give places to staff children regardless of distance, even though (last time I looked in any case!) they are not listed as a priority group for entry.

Wow the schools are really oversubscribed these days

Is parliament hill good?

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GreenAndSpringy · 10/05/2021 11:38

“ Isnt AB not very good anymore? I remember it got a very bad Ofsted report.”
AB’s current Headteacher (N John) arrived in 2015 and Ofsted was already acknowledging his efforts as being positive in 2016. By 2018 he had obtained an overall “Good” Ofsted report for the school and and an “Outstanding” gong for his Leadership skills.
By 2018 word had got around with prospective parents and the distance criteria shrank to 1mile from 2.66 and over. It has been shrinking ever since.

All the kids I know there (from 6th form to Y7) are very happy.

The other angle to AB’s current popularity are the local alternative mixed and boys’ schools, particularly for those who aren’t religious.

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sammyvine · 10/05/2021 01:29

@ExiledinIslington

From what I gather the waiting list at Acland Burghley doesn't move so much. It seemed to be the top choice for a lot of the boys and a few girls in DD's year. I think only one got in. LSU wasn't on our radar being atheists and we are too far from EGA, plus at some open days, I saw 2 girls looking to leave there which put me off. Unfortunately, DD never actually saw Highbury Fields!
I am surprised at that

Isnt AB not very good anymore? I remember it got a very bad Ofsted report.

Camdenish · 08/05/2021 18:24

The previous year band D of CSG only moved in the wrong direction. Band A moved by 0.0x of a mile.

Laughing at “sphincter tight”

There is some movement even in the first couple of weeks of term Exiledinislington, if you’d be prepared to move your DD after starting somewhere else.

ExiledinIslington · 08/05/2021 12:23

A few of DD's friends have been offered places at Parli now. They live a 5 minute walk from us. She's currently 23 on the waiting list and we're about 1.5 miles away. I know she would have got a place by July in 2019. We're not giving up hope just yet but don't want to be overly optimistic either!!!

GreenAndSpringy · 08/05/2021 09:39

Coming back to add a few more current data points for anyone trawling this year’s experiences to help them make their own decisions in the coming years. As of the first week of May 2021:

CSG - in contrast to the expansive Band A offer distance circle, the one for Band D is sphincter tight. On National Offer day you had to live within 0.3miles from the school to get a place. At this moment, those living about 0.1mile further from that cut off distance will still have a dozen or so D banded girls above them on the waiting list.

Acland Burghley
Furthest offer distance was 0.64. Currently, at about 1.2 miles, waiting list is close to 80.

Parliament Hill
The unofficial waitlist circle is about the tightest it has ever been (my belief is that is about 1.4). Those on the waitlist within 1.3miles are likely to have already been accepted and if you are on the cusp of this distance there’s a realistic chance for a June opportunity to accept a place.

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GreenAndSpringy · 11/03/2021 11:57

@Camdenish - Thank you! I feel “seen” :D

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Camdenish · 11/03/2021 11:32

@GreenAndSpringy it’s okay, I get it. Secondary school admissions brought some awful memories back for us of the reception allocation.

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Camdenish · 10/03/2021 13:26

The one thing that put me off Haverstock was the three year GCSEs. I imagine they're irrelevant now as I think Ofsted frown on them. Have they maintained their head? We didn't "need" it anyway as AB was always a reality.

What religious schools will families get?

GreenAndSpringy · 10/03/2021 13:01

AB distances correction (sorry!)
2019 : 0.71
2020 : 0.77
2021 : 0.64

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GreenAndSpringy · 10/03/2021 12:46

@Camdenish. Amongst dd’s peers, AB is the overwhelming preference for girls who don’t want to go to a single gender school. Also a top choice for girls who have younger male siblings.

Haverstock hasn’t quite won over local parents yet, but there was a class visit organised for then Y5 kids in 2019 which enthused those children. We had Haverstock down on our list as a safeguard against a religious school, had dd been a ds, that’s probably where she - or rather he - would have certainly gone. The school visit Haverstock organised was so successful my own kid would have been happy had that been the provided option. This is quite an achievement given the other schools she saw.

I really hope the leaders at Haverstock can establish the school as a success before it gets “reduced”, I hate the idea of unwilling families being forced into religious institutions, a thriving Haverstock would reduce that outcome.

Quite a few kids from dd’s school moved to AB last year, all those I’ve spoken to are really happy there, and those I know are all delightful, imaginative children. Kids with SEN seem to thrive at AB as well as at Parli.

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Camdenish · 10/03/2021 12:15

That makes sense Exiled. Well sort of. I wonder who is moving to London at the moment.

I wonder if more girls are choosing AB. It would be interesting to know the ratio of boys to girls for this intake in comparison to previous years.

ExiledinIslington · 10/03/2021 12:05

Property developers/landlords buying the houses as rentals or perhaps the families are renting them out are my guesses.
0.64 cut off for AB is tiny! No wonder kids didn't get places there.

GreenAndSpringy · 10/03/2021 12:03

@Camdenish

Acland Burghley was 0.64.

2011 : 0.57
2012 : 0.87
2013 : 1.44
2014 : 2.83
2015 : 2.75

Sorry they’re old but they’re from when we were looking.

@Camdenish “2014 anyone that wanted got a place 2015. anyone that wanted got a place 2016 anyone that wanted got a place 2017 : 2.66 2018 : 0.99”

And I’ll add
2019 : 0.71
2020 : 0.64

So those are recent historic distances for AB all in one place, which as Camdenish has shown, tell a part of Acland Burghley’s story.
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So, with Tremendous political upheaval, a once in a century pandemic and the ongoing effects of last decade’s Baby boom, one local school finished its renovations and is gaining confidence through effective leadership (Parli), another school is winning hearts through its own leadership strategies (AB), and (perhaps) another school experiencing a PR wobble (LSU), the local contenders in this long running Game of Playgrounds continue their Saga.

In a few years time there are going to be mumsnet contributors and lurkers looking through this forum at threads like these and wondering what all the fuss was about!

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Camdenish · 10/03/2021 12:00

Who is moving into London if families (with family size houses) are moving out? House prices and rent don't seem to be getting cheaper.

GreenAndSpringy · 10/03/2021 11:41

@alejandro’s theory took on a lot of traction just there!
I knew people were leaving the country but didn’t realise that so many were just looking for breathing room out of the Big Smoke.

@minniemoocher, I’m also curious to know where Londoners are flocking to. Which part of the country are you based in?

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Camdenish · 10/03/2021 11:31

@minniemoocher could you find out what part of North London they're from and report back to us! I wondered where all my neighbours had gone. It is very quiet round here...

Where are you, if you don't mind saying of course.

minniemoocher · 10/03/2021 10:50

No idea about this specific school but we have had 5 new neighbours move in from north London in the last month and 3 more houses are sold to Londoners, the local private school has a long waiting list of incomers from London. It's highly unusual according to my friend to have more than one or two in a year, 27 houses sold to London based clients since May when they reopened. There's a higher than normal probability that families have decided to relocate after the application process started in some cases

Camdenish · 10/03/2021 10:38

Found more.

2014/2015 and 2016 anyone that wanted got a place.

2017 : 2.66
2018 : 0.99

This is when it got the new head I think? Added a few children over the PAN as they had space in higher years.

Also sorry to derail but I’m avoiding actual work...

Camdenish · 10/03/2021 10:26

Acland Burghley was 0.64.

2011 : 0.57
2012 : 0.87
2013 : 1.44
2014 : 2.83
2015 : 2.75

Sorry they’re old but they’re from when we were looking.