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PART 3: SW London Girl's Indies 11+ Results, Decisions & Panic Over?

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MumsRule20 · 26/02/2021 14:27

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WELCOME TO PART 3!!

Previously…

PART 1 started by Oceane11plus in July 2020 for the SW London Girl’s 11+ 2021 cohort (pandemic year).
PART 2 continued the journey (exam pandemic panic).

Both Part 1 & 2 quickly reached the MN quota of 1000 posts!

Will PART 3 be our final episode? Keep supportively posting as we make our final decisions on offers, WL movement & starting Year 7 (hopefully post-pandemic)...

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indimum · 05/03/2021 16:01

@0to10, thank you for your insights . We did feel bad letting go of LU , but I am very reassured by your feedback on G&L. Now hope to move on with their process. DD is now looking forward to Mon, getting together with friends IRL. Also running around on the Green space across from school !

indimum · 05/03/2021 15:52

@Tr0ubled, sending you and DD lots of love . DD will get to the school that turns out be right for her, though right mow she may not see it that way. These are all wonderful schools . We are lucky ( or may ne it is not a good thing) in London to have so much choice! Hang in there .

Trialsat11 · 05/03/2021 15:21

@Tr0ubled please don’t get disheartened . I know how it is as we were in the exact same position but remember that being on the WL means that she will was of as good academic standard as anyone who had an offer .
And bright pupils thrive anywhere as long as they have the motivation . Please do give your DD all the confidence that she has done well and she would continue to do so wherever she goes .
Fingers crossed the multiple deposits start levelling off and there is some movement

GandTtime · 05/03/2021 15:07

eglantine7

We chose IPS for our dc many years ago and haven’t looked back! It is a lovely school and dc very happy indeed there. It hasn’t had much airing in this thread as single sex and more ‘academic’ co-Ed’s (if one believes all the hype about league tables) are more likely to be discussed, however our dc is track for some excellent grades at GCSE and the teachers are very dedicated.

The online provision has been fantastic and I would say even better this lockdown compared to last Spring. Couldn’t recommend it more highly.

Stircrazyschoolmum · 05/03/2021 15:06

(((HUG))) @Tr0ubled It sounds like some schools got their maths rather wrong this year as LEH has its bulge and it sounds like the Dulwich schools haven’t moved very much if at all. Has Emanuel shifted? Lots of parents would have released a place there but perhaps they wildly over offered?

The 14 day ‘cooling off’ period is sadly going to prolong this further as unfortunately I suspect some parents have paid 2 deposits whilst they deliberate.

HeliK · 05/03/2021 15:04

@Tr0ubled so sorry to hear. I totally understand your feelings. I also prefer straight no rather than then this waiting list game. I hope you have confirmed offer at one school as a back up. Things will work out at end so don’t lose hope.

stellagibbons · 05/03/2021 15:00

@Tr0ubled - it's rubbish, it really is. I really feel for you. I can't believe how many of the schools didn't even go to waitlist, or have closed their waitlists already.

MumsRule20 · 05/03/2021 14:57

@Tr0ubled So, so disheartening to hear that and cannot begin to imagine how you must be feeling. I agree, they really shouldn’t have put the children (us) through anymore stress than they have and also get hopes up. Try not to lose faith and especially if they have reassured you with more movement - I really do think there will be as some are still undecided and some may have paid more deposits then one or working out state options. It is still early days. Have you done another ring round for any other options -
Is this possible? Did you apply for a state as extra back up, if so - could this be a decent possibility? I am sure everyone else will encourage you to vent here all you like. Deep breaths and it will all work out, just may take a bit longer than you would like it to.

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Skatingpark97 · 05/03/2021 14:55

@Tr0ubled , so sorry to hear, do you have SCHS? It's a great school if it's an option. It's been such a difficult year and so much competition for a place at the mega competitive schools, esp the mixed.

citykat · 05/03/2021 14:16

@Tr0ubled very sorry to hear this. Do you have a state offer?

@HappyasLaura another state school parent here, through this for the third and final time (🤣) I really think you need to think about where the schools are and the journey. It’s 7 years of sports, music, parents eve, drama performances and the like, not to mention the daily journey for the child. So all this advice the prep schools give may not be that important if where you live there are only 3 options that are a sensible journey. There are a lot of children making what to me seem crazy journeys passing by many other good schools. Mine were/ are at an average state primary, not at all chi chi, (no violin lessons available in school!). Tutor from October half term of Year 6 for the first (last minute realisation that we wouldn’t get the state we wanted); from start of Year 6 for the other 2. Reading widely and doing sport and Cubs etc. And we applied to our local schools. So the furthest journey would be about half an hour on one bus with no changes. It is doable. Visit in year 5 and again in year 6. Don’t fret. I relied heavily on Mumsnet the first time round!

Tr0ubled · 05/03/2021 14:00

Feeling so overcome with emotion right now. Yet another of DD waitlist places has fallen through as they too are not even moving to WL this year. However they say they may still have movement over the coming days or weeks. This particular school had reassured me earlier this week that she was at the top of the WL so we had all got our hopes up.
This whole process has just been too much of a rollercoaster. Straight ‘No’s’ on offer day would have been easier to deal with than this waiting game we still seem to be on.
Can’t show her how downhearted I feel and DH is too focused on work to really care so I’m venting here, sorry!

MumsRule20 · 05/03/2021 11:36

@HappyasLaura speaking my own recent experience and with DD at a rather average state primary, I would be wary of any over tutoring - just some prep for the specific exams and what to expect. Our DD was tutored to help with learning gaps after no supported remote learning last year.

If you are applying for an selectively academic school make sure your DC is thriving academically at her state and is capable, confident and achieving good results / strong annual reports and meeting all expectations or above expectations of the curriculum and overall and as feedback in the parent teacher meetings you have. These are key indicators in whether or not she is capable of not only doing well for 11+ but also able to do well alongside other bright and children at a e.g. a selective private where all the children are of high ability. You don’t want her to feel out of her depth and unable to fulfil her potential from having been over coached to pass but unable to sustain continued learning at the same level / accelerated pace.

Obviously, carefully consider the schools and best fit for your DC - will it be a non-selective / moderately selective / or highly selective academic school? Lots of choice.

Those I know at prep schools have all had guidance and backing before and after from their heads on which schools they should apply for and spent much of Year 5 drilling them for 11+ as the schools reputation depends on destination leaver results. It is a different ball game but essentially one your DD will be competing with come 11+. I think the key is not to over prep or over push, she may also not take to it and hopefully a good tutor to help prepare for the exams will be able to advise on her overall capability, as sometimes being ‘bright confident and sporty’ might also not count for much if they underperform on the day. As it turned out a number of children at some of the preps we know didn’t get an offer of a place or WL. So nothing is guaranteed either way.

You will get a much clearer idea of your DC’s fit for school in those few months around application time.

If you are not fully familiar with the schools and their reputations, then do as much research on schools as possible, maybe sound out a few 2 years before, make notes then narrow it down to a focused selection and best fit knowing your DC’s needs a bit better in the year of applying. Closer to the time, try to speak to parents and kids at those schools and visit and observe at the school gates!

My DD and I chose the schools together as she loved scouring the websites (favourite thing was looking at school menus)! so she got a good feel and ended up knowing more about what they had to offer than I did. Really check through all the school website pages and look at their social media accounts etc. Get a full feel and understanding of what they have to offer, the heads vision and aims and where you feel you / she will fit in.

Coming from state primary you need to ask yourself when making your selection - do they have a good balanced % intake of kids from state and prep or is it more geared towards prep kids / is diversity important to you / how will she or you feel amongst only privileged kids or one with a more mixed demographic / should the focus be more around academia / arts or sports or music or a general good all rounder etc. etc.

The more questioning you do in advance as essentially you need to do the job of really finding right fit for your child. The more prepared you and she will be and the process will seem less overwhelming and daunting. Research will be your best friend.

Might be worth starting a specific thread on this too :) Good luck!

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HappyasLaura · 05/03/2021 11:28

Huge thanks again for all the insight.

I’ll check out Atom too, whatever it is.
The school she goes to is great. Very dedicated teachers and strong leadership and they’ve do seem to challenge the bright kids.
Thanks for advice on getting a tutor arranged early. I’ll bear all of this in mind and feel so much better about the fact that it’s all very doable from the state system.

And sorry again for detailing the thread.

onemouseplace · 05/03/2021 10:55

@HappyasLaura We are also state primary and I would say the hardest thing we found was getting any feedback from DD's teachers about the right level of school to pitch at - we knew she was bright but genuinely didn't know whether it would be enough to have a chance at the super selectives or not. In the end we narrowed our choices down to two (an academic and a back up) plus a selective state.

We didn't get a tutor but did work with her at home ourselves. She did a spot of V/NVR from the January of Yr 5 (just those 10 min bond books once a week). We didn't do much English as her creative writing has always been very strong. We did barely anything during the first lockdown as it was enough for her to get her schoolwork done. The biggest issue for us was plugging the gaps in her Yr 5 maths knowledge. We also did do a month of Atom in the run up to the ISEB which was useful but not essential.

If I had my time again (and I will with DD2!) I would do more targeted practice of the actual exam board we were sitting for V/ NVR (we did some GL stuff, but left it a bit late). I was also incredibly naive about interview practice and DD's first one was awful.

So, in summary - perfectly possible from a state primary, but it took a fair amount of legwork from us plus we nearly dropped the ball on a couple of key elements.

eglantine7 · 05/03/2021 10:53

We moved dd over to a prep in year 4 from a state school where not many attempted independent seniors. Knowing what I know now, unless they are very unhappy, don't move a happy, confident and able child from a state primary. Just stay in the loop with what's required for the exams and a small amount of excellent tutoring.
Really you only get the benefits of the prep if starting very early.

Stircrazyschoolmum · 05/03/2021 10:24

Ps. Good tutors get booked up very early so if you are year 4, to you’d want to be finding one now to start next Jan. Due to the pandemic I know some mums who are starting in September but be wary of burnout/boredom I’d only do this if you feel there are specific gaps to cover..

Stircrazyschoolmum · 05/03/2021 10:22

Another state primary mum here. We did one hr of tutoring from Mid Jan in year 5 and Atom from late Sept to Early Dec due to ISEB. We got offers at all 6 schools so it’s definitely doable. DD is a hard worker and bright but certainly not an academic genius.

In hindsight I think she would have enjoyed year 5/6 in a prep as she has coasted a bit recently and is very frustrated by the high jinks and misbehaviour that occurs in our class. The challenge in a ‘outstanding’ state primary is the huge range in ability. (A gap that has only widened in the past 12 months) so if your school refuses to set or stream you are always working at the pace of the slowest. You then get bright, bored kids mucking about.

If you are able to provide extra stimulus and extension work at home (nothing high pressure but for example get The Week junior and discuss current affairs, learn an instrument, take LAMDA lessons, play chess or scrabble etc etc) If these type of things are things you can do (or do already) then you can probably save your cash for secondary!

HappyasLaura · 05/03/2021 10:13

Thank you all for taking the time to reply, this has been very useful, am making notes, esp wrt mock assessment centres. I had no idea such places existed.

Sounds like either way it’ll be a stressful process. The joy of London day schools!

MarshaBradyo · 05/03/2021 09:54

I’ve also used a pre-prep for other dc and really they both (state or private) ended up at the best schools for them.

MarshaBradyo · 05/03/2021 09:52

Happy we are moving from state primary. We did minimal tutoring though. Just four half hour sessions to mark past maths papers with an economics graduate and one month on Atom to get up to speed with format. We would have stuck with paper only but ISEB was online.

It’s definitely doable but you may feel you would like more prep.

alltheleaves · 05/03/2021 09:46

@HappyasLaura delurking as my dds are also state educated and, while it felt like a minefield trying to get through this process, it was actually possible.

The first thing I did was look at what felt like every school (within reasonable travel distance) in the area and compiled a list of favourites. I had one school I really loved so after that I had a target, although I tried to make it clear to the girls that we'd be happy with all of the schools we applied to.

My girls do well academically but their primary school (especially from last March) wasn't at the same level as the 11+ tests needed them to be so we had a tutor to fill in the gaps. Our tutor was lovely and put up with me emailing her all my worries about their gaps in learning but was incredibly reassuring that the schools I'd chosen were attainable. Definitely discuss your aims with a tutor or similar from the start, it's their job to be honest with you as it reflects badly on them if their pupil fails all their exams!

If we hadn't had endless lockdowns I would have sent the girls to assessment centres to do mock exams so they got used to doing work in timed settings. We had to do this at home instead, which wasn't ideal, but in the long run reflected the situation they did take some of their exams in. Our back up choice (which is a lovely school so we'd have been really happy there) had exams in November and announced results in December. This was great because they were able to go into their other exams knowing what it was like to take them and also knowing they could pass them.

I'm really lucky because our London primary has a really close-knit community and two teachers the girls have had live on our street. Both of them have been through the 11+ for their children, and I was able to have friendly neighbourly chats about schools with them, safe in the knowledge that they actually knew my dds' academic abilities. As well as talking to them I have amazing friends who do have children at preps (one posts here, hi L 😊) who put up with my endless freak outs and questions about it all. Seriously couldn't have kept going without them talking me off ledges! Also freaking out to them meant I think (really really hope!) dds didn't register how stressed I was at times.

And after all that we got places at 3 out of 4 of the indies we'd applied to, including my favourite, and they're off to the favourite in September.

So, tl;dr, it's stressful but possible from state! And I think it's stressful regardless.

eglantine7 · 05/03/2021 09:24

Good luck @Tr0ubled and @WarmAndco3y

I am in full agreement they are all excellent schools and don't be blind sighted by league tables.

Indeed, we embraced our offers after a disappointing 11plus. We are happy to be going for Ibstock Place!

HeliK · 05/03/2021 08:25

Thank you @Oceane11Plus.

Good Luck and best wishes @Tr0ubled.

Tr0ubled · 05/03/2021 08:21

Thank you @Oceane11Plus, it’s hard not to get caught up in this whole process so a little levelling reminder every now and again is well received. They are all good schools and you’re so right about looking at value added rather than just a super selective school with amazing results.
Keeping everything crossed that by the end of today we will know exactly where our DD is going!

Oceane11Plus · 05/03/2021 07:46

Good luck @WarmAndco3y @Tr0ubled @HeliK and all those still on WL. I am sure your DDs will thrive at any school - they’re clearly very bright otherwise they would not have been put on WL. It’s just that numbers were so high this year! As I’ve repeatedly been writing on here, we made positive choices with elder DCs to reject the most academic offers and we could not be happier with our choices. It’s so easy to be blinded by league tables who are in fact meaningless - just a function of selectivity at entrance and by no mean of value added.

And you never know, you might get a positive surprise. I’m sure a lot of people don’t bother to reject the offers, they just let them explode. I’m also sure many people would have paid two deposits (we did it years ago with another DC!) and some families will be moving as well (we know a lot of people considering to move out of London and even the UK).