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GCSE options - sciences, history and/or geography

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Taswama · 30/01/2021 14:29

Ds is in year 9. He has to take either history or geography but enjoys and is good at both. He can take both but that rules out single sciences unless he doesn't take any non academic subjects - he'd like to take either drama or nutrition.
He's top set for science and second set for humanities (out of 5 sets).
I think it makes sense to do history, geography and double cert, DP thinks single science is more important even if that means no drama/food. He's worried double cert science won't be as challenging as most of the top set kids will be doing single sciences.
Any thoughts anyone? Including on drama vs food.

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ScrapThatThen · 02/02/2021 12:17

Sorry, based on aptitude and likely to do a science A Level. Then choose both humanities or one other.

ScrapThatThen · 02/02/2021 12:16

I would go triple science.

Taswama · 02/02/2021 11:40

I'm hoping the vaccination rollout means schools can go back to normal, so haven't factored that in.
He's definitely taking a language.
He will go to the local sixth form college which ask for 6,6 at double cert or physics and another single science to do physics at A' Level. It's certainly not definite that he will do sciences at A Level. I'm going to talk to the head of science at his school to get a bit more information.

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PlanDeRaccordement · 01/02/2021 10:11

Since he is going to study maths and physics at A level, then he should not drop triple science. Especially if applying to selective sixth form.

I would consider dropping the language so he can do both history and geography. There is no sixth form for uni requirement for a language unless you want to study it at university.

My niece took following GCSEs- Eng Lang, Eng Lit, RE, Triple Science, geography, Maths, Further Maths, Computer science and Design Technology. She dropped a language so she could do both computer science and design technology. The school will never suggest this because you need a language for the English baccalaureate or eBacc. The eBacc is not a qualification or necessary or of any advantage to the student, it is purely goes into how the colleges are rated by Ofsted. The more students leaving college with eBacc, the higher their rating. But it isn’t always in students best interest, so you can drop that language.

She wants to be a robotics engineer. She is taking the following A levels

physics, Maths, Further Maths and computer science.

(She already knows another language anyway, Chinese.)

RedskyBynight · 01/02/2021 10:04

@Taswama

Do you mean there is plenty of option to do art, drama etc as extra curricular? Extra curricular has been massively reduced at DS school in order to avoid mixing bubbles, so no after school cookery anymore for example. So drama has continued as a subject but not as an extra curricular.
It's tough choosing at the moment as you don't know whether to factor in "normal" or "Covid" times. There is no extra-curricular at DC's school at all, for example, so the big annual school production is just not happening this year.

The more practical subjects are much harder to do remotely - DD is taking art and drama so we've had to build up a supply of art materials at home, and even then we can't hope to duplicate the facilities she has access to at school. And currently she is trying to manage drama groupwork over Teams, which is not remotely the same experience as doing it face to face! But whether you should consider this when selecting options is really unclear!

Taswama · 01/02/2021 09:40

Do you mean there is plenty of option to do art, drama etc as extra curricular?
Extra curricular has been massively reduced at DS school in order to avoid mixing bubbles, so no after school cookery anymore for example.
So drama has continued as a subject but not as an extra curricular.

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2021hastobebetter · 01/02/2021 07:54

Mine wants to do medicine. She asked me for my opinion. Then my mum. Then my dad and we all gave her the same advice history & geography and & triple science. Art, drama, music - they have extensive abs I mean extensive extra curriculum after school abs lunchtime. Also we talked about Covid impact for the next 1-2 years abs I think that will impact on subjects like pe and drama in particular whereas zero contact needed for history geography etc so hopefully at the end of the day her choice but the form will be discussed and filled out later this week.

RedskyBynight · 31/01/2021 19:11

So might also be worth finding out if they mix the two parallel streams in KS4, or keep them separate. If they are mixed, that's a much wider pool of others to associate with.

Taswama · 31/01/2021 18:40

Well there are ten sets in total per year group but in two parallel classes so you only have five possible sets you can be in. Does that make sense? About 300-330 kids per year.
Single science is only offered in one of the four option blocks (unlike history and geography for example which is in every block).

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RedskyBynight · 31/01/2021 18:31

Um, 5 sets is not a big school (unless there are multiple sets at each level) :)

That does make it more likely that it will be the less able scientists taking combined science. But good idea to talk to the head of science. I doubt they will tell you which children are taking what but they should tell you how many children in a typical year take foundation/higher in triple/combined.

Taswama · 31/01/2021 18:23

Its a big school, there are five sets.

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RedskyBynight · 31/01/2021 18:03

How big is the school (i.e. how many sets)? If triple science is only offered to Set 1 or Set 1 and 2, then in a big school there will still be an awful lot of good scientists taking combined!

Taswama · 31/01/2021 17:30

I think I need to email the head of science directly and ask her for some data on which kids from which sets are likely to take triple vs double.
Its only offered to the most able kids, I'm not sure if thats set 1 only or set 1 and 2. I'm sure he won't be the only one who could do triple but wants to do double to keep other options open. I had the option of triple at that age but chose double so I could take two languages.

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hedgehogger1 · 31/01/2021 16:36

A lot of kids don't like science as it's "hard" so behaviour in those lessons can be more challenging as you've got an unwilling audience.

hedgehogger1 · 31/01/2021 16:33

Normally I'd say double science doesn't really hold you back from anything. But as he's top set and all other top set kids are doing triple I'd say do that. They'll be able to challenge them more for top set grades and behaviour will probably be better

Taswama · 31/01/2021 16:13

Thanks onthebench . DS does pick things up easily and reads loads of non fiction or listens to it on audible, so he's recently listened to A brief history of time by Stephen Hawking for example.

Had another chat today and pointed out that food would have some science elements and drama is more of a humanity so if he decided to take triple science it would be a better fit. Maybe thats why food is in the science block, but it's probably not that logical!

He's veering towards history, geography, double cert and food although we still have 2 or 3 weeks to make a final decision.
Regarding level of revision, he has encyclopaedic knowledge of key dates and events already and I assume for science you also have to learn key formulae, definitions etc?

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OnTheBenchOfDoom · 30/01/2021 22:33

Ds1 did combined science, came out with 9,9 and does Physics A level, he is predicted A*/A in it. I think it is more about picking stuff up easily, most of the A level group did combined rather than the triple. There is a strong maths element to it, not as much as GCSE but those who do well at maths.They were put in sets for Science so no messing around in class.

Both History and Geography are very content heavy in terms of facts and figures to remember and the essays you have to write. If you do know the exam board have a look at a past paper to see the marks given for each question which will give you an idea.

I can only talk about History GCSE as both mine did that (they are now year 13 and year 10) they do OCR and it is 3 papers and 5 topics. Very interesting but a lot of detail. It is burned into my memory from flashcard hell of revision. Grin

Taswama · 30/01/2021 22:24

Yes that's exactly it murmurur !

He would get 5 hours each of history or / and geography and 10 or 15 hours of science depending on double or triple per fortnight.

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Murmurur · 30/01/2021 22:14

Lady Grin should be lad!

Murmurur · 30/01/2021 22:14

I hear you on the wandering off thing! My able autistic lady's only Y7 so we haven't given it much thought, but I can imagine food tech being enjoyable for him but also quite a challenge in terms of organisation, planning tasks etc.

Taswama · 30/01/2021 21:39

I would say he prefers science over history or geography individually but likes history and geography pretty much equally.
I agree that its good to have something that challenges your brain in a different way.

He tends to wander off while cooking tea, so a dish that should take half an hour at most can take an hour and a half. He also eats half the ingredients as he goes along, eg grated carrots or cheese!

Yes, I can also see the logic of being with a group who genuinely enjoy science.

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Murmurur · 30/01/2021 21:06

Drama v food I have no opinion on but I think it's a great idea to have one or the other, if he is ok with the performance aspect and group work of drama. Actually if he really benefits from being taught things explicitly, where others might just pick up as they go along, then food tech sounds like a very good fit. I think it's good for your brain to have something a bit different in your week, if it's chosen because you enjoy it.

Either double sci + 2 humanities or triple +1 humanity are really solid choices that lots of able children will take before going on to university. I don't think all schools even offer triple sci though the ones we looked at all did. Again I think it comes down to what he enjoys most. I'm not getting a strong feeling from you that he actually prefers hist & geography to sciences.

One other thought that is probably unfair & snobby. My Y9 says a lot of her peers moan about science and mess around. She wants to do triple science partly so she will be in the group who've actively chosen it. But maybe the setting avoids that being an issue for your son.

NotDonna · 30/01/2021 20:42

It’s just food for thought. It really has to be what your DS will find ‘best for him’. I’m loving the idea of him wandering off to watch telly whilst the cake’s burning. Sounds like my DD3. Except she leaves the mixer going 🙄

Taswama · 30/01/2021 20:19

Yes it's true that a lot can be learnt at home and I currently try and get him to cook him once a week but even he says he's better at school with the time pressure. He needs constant supervision at home or he will wander off to watch TV!

But you are probably right about sciences winning out over nutrition.

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NotDonna · 30/01/2021 19:58

Food & nutrition is absolutely a useful life skill but he doesn’t need a GCSE to learn those skills; a lot can be learnt at home. Given he’s already thinking A level physics, he may be better off with 3 separate sciences. The jump from a full (3/3rds) physics gcse to A level is already significant. So the leap from 2/3rds physics to A level will be seriously significant. Obviously not impossible but worth considering. Gaining 3 science GCSEs (doing 3/3rds of each science) and a smaller jump to A level maybe more beneficial than 2 science GCSEs (2/3rds of all 3 sciences) and food GCSE. I hope I’m making sense.

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