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Tell me about Citizenship GCSE. Which is apparently compulsory at my DD's school. She doesn't want to do it.

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bellinisurge · 28/01/2021 10:44

As it says in the subject, Citizenship GCSE has now been deemed compulsory at my DD's school. She would prefer to do Triple Science but doesn't want to lose a free space in her GSCE options to do it. She deliberately didn't go to a faith school (despite being in a feeder primary) to avoid having RE GCSE forced on her.
Any suggestions?

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HercwasanEnemyofEducation · 30/01/2021 15:03

you are obviously horrified by the idea that my dd wants to get a mix /spread of GCSEs and that I had the temerity to ask about one that didn't interest her.

Not at all. But you're arguing she's too academic in one breath and then she has no interest, which is it?

If no interest, there are plenty of dcs out there with no interest in maths, English or science.

If she's too academic, there's no such thing.

bellinisurge · 30/01/2021 15:02

I thought from all the posts lobbed at me before, it didn't really matter which subjects you did. And now it does. Hmmm

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Frodont · 30/01/2021 14:54

@Ginfordinner

Making PE compulsory is brutal. I know it is much more academic than people think, but for non sporty students the practical element can set them up for a low mark. I'm glad it wasn't compulsory as a GCSE at DD's school.
My dds ARE sporty and would have hated PE gcse.
Frodont · 30/01/2021 14:53

RE gcse is a well respected GCSE and can lead to Philosophy and Ethics at A level. Maybe Citizenship would encourage Politics A level? You don't need business studies gcse to do business studies. It's worth thinking about what A levels she'd want to do, presumably not History or Geography or a language.

bellinisurge · 30/01/2021 14:52

@HercwasanEnemyofEducation you are obviously horrified by the idea that my dd wants to get a mix /spread of GCSEs and that I had the temerity to ask about one that didn't interest her.
Sorry my dd doesn't conform to your ideas.
Not sorry.

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Ginfordinner · 30/01/2021 14:50

Making PE compulsory is brutal. I know it is much more academic than people think, but for non sporty students the practical element can set them up for a low mark. I'm glad it wasn't compulsory as a GCSE at DD's school.

TartanLassie · 30/01/2021 14:48

Oh and by the way of my kid had to do a mandatory citizenship or RE GCSE she'd be going to another school. Fuck that! What a waste of a GCSE! Especially as posters say it's an "easy" GCSE!

Blimey mumnset is a fucking nightmare at the moment!

DrMadelineMaxwell · 30/01/2021 14:47

I was surprised when dd chose her options how little choice there was. We are in wales and she had to do English language and literature, maths, numeracy, double science (and used an option to triple it), RE, PE and Welsh as compulsory gcses. Along with Welsh Bacc (which is very like general studies). She could only choose 3 things, of which 2 she wanted to do were in the same block and she could only pick one.
And re isn't down because it is a faith school. It's just compulsory!

I've known friends move their dc so they have a different choice of options at a different school.

HercwasanEnemyofEducation · 30/01/2021 14:46

If your dd is too academic to do Citizenship then her gcse choices aren't the best.

This

although too academic for citizenship isn't a thing

TartanLassie · 30/01/2021 14:41

titchy is a well respected poster, no need to be rude to her.

Hahah respected by whom? Been on here over 17 years never heard of her! And so what if I had! Was still a twaty response!

Gotta love love a good handmaiden, arselicking poster!!

Frodont · 30/01/2021 14:40

I don't know why you are being so arsey! If your dd is too academic to do Citizenship then her gcse choices aren't the best. If she's business studies and dt standard then I'm not sure why you are bothered about Citizenship. Good luck with it.

bellinisurge · 30/01/2021 14:31

Now who are being sniffy about subjects 😂

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Frodont · 30/01/2021 14:20

Business studies is just as waste of a subject as Citizenship. If uni's only look at your top 8, then having English x 2, maths, triple science, a language, history is more impressive than english x 2, double science,.maths, business studies, citenzship and dt!

bellinisurge · 30/01/2021 14:14

Because she is interested in those subjects too [academic child also wanting to go technical subject shocker]

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Frodont · 30/01/2021 14:04

If she's that academically able then why is she doing business studies and dt!

bellinisurge · 30/01/2021 14:01

@Ted27 , totally get it's importance as a general subject. It's my area of work

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bellinisurge · 30/01/2021 14:00

I think that MrsAvocet has identified what might be happening - they will have more time on Maths and English at the school to bump up those stats and will bump up the good grades stats. In effect, they will be doing 8 GSCEs and get one bonus one to exploit the time they have to spend on citizenship. If my dd wasn't academically able, I would count that as a win win. But she is.

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Ted27 · 30/01/2021 13:59

www.aqa.org.uk/subjects/citizenship/gcse/citizenship-studies-8100/subject-content/life-in-modern-britain

My son did this last year, Citizenship GCSE is not ‘lifeskills’ , if anything I would describe it as a politics course. He did drugs, sex, etc etc ib PHSE.
I actually went to his class to deliver a session on the modern civil service. The group was engaged, socially aware, asked intelligent questions - amazed at what the civil service actually is.

I’ve been able to have great conversations with my son about voting, party politcs, UK’s role on the world stage, the EU, what the national/devolved govts are responsible for, what a local authority is responsible for, the role of the media, British values, what it means to be a citizen.
When he gets to vote for the first next year, I think he will be in a position to make informed choices.
I thought it was an excellent course.

HercwasanEnemyofEducation · 30/01/2021 13:53

So if you don't object to the classes, she will be in them anyway, what's the harm in getting a GCSE from it? You cannot replace the time with another option, because she has to be in citizenship classes.

idril · 30/01/2021 13:50

It would really annoy me too OP.

I don't understand why we force options on children that they are not going to engage with.

I home educate one of my children and having completely free choice over GCSE subjects that he's taking is a massive bonus!

I think you should make your views known to the school. If enough parents do the same, they might change their minds. But other than that, there isn't much else you can do.

bellinisurge · 30/01/2021 13:47

MrsAvocet 's analysis makes sense to the situation. The school is about to become an academy, bringing in 3 other local poorer performing schools. Gaming the figures sounds about right.

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bellinisurge · 30/01/2021 13:45

Sigh. Again. I'm not against citizenship classes. Not sure how many more times I need to say this. I am not in favour of it being a compulsory GCSE.

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HercwasanEnemyofEducation · 30/01/2021 13:42

I don't think you really understand what you're speaking up for though. The school won't change options this year, nor can it not teach citizenship.

bellinisurge · 30/01/2021 13:39

@TeenPlusTwenties , I can't fix the world but I can speak up for my daughter.

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HercwasanEnemyofEducation · 30/01/2021 13:39

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Research into options, looks like 9 is most common but mean is 8.6.

Performance measures are now mostly progress 8 based, so have led to a broader curriculum in some cases where students were getting only 5 GCSEs. (remember the early 2000s anyone?!).

No student, able or otherwise, needs more than 8 GCSEs.

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