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Tell me about Citizenship GCSE. Which is apparently compulsory at my DD's school. She doesn't want to do it.

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bellinisurge · 28/01/2021 10:44

As it says in the subject, Citizenship GCSE has now been deemed compulsory at my DD's school. She would prefer to do Triple Science but doesn't want to lose a free space in her GSCE options to do it. She deliberately didn't go to a faith school (despite being in a feeder primary) to avoid having RE GCSE forced on her.
Any suggestions?

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bellinisurge · 30/01/2021 10:25

@Coronateachingagain , I work in an area which requires "Citizenship " knowledge so DD isn't short of exposure to it.
As for "suck it up" , is that genuinely how you respond to an adult who has a question about a subject they don't know anything about and who asks about it on a parenting forum? In the secondary education topic ?
What a strange thing

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Coronateachingagain · 30/01/2021 10:20

It would be good policy if Citizenship was a compulsory GCSE nationally and I also would subscribe to the "suck it up" approach partially as it is also about building grit and not only about doing the subject you like, especially at GCSE. Good training for life afterwards and a bit of civic education not a bad thing at all.

Puzzler333 · 30/01/2021 10:14

[quote bellinisurge]@Puzzler333 , yes, I am trying to get her to focus on the positive of an easier GCSE.
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I wasn't suggesting you weren't, just FYI Smile.

My main point was to reassure that triple science shouldn't close doors at all if this is the avenue she wants to pursue for a level and beyond.

bellinisurge · 30/01/2021 10:09

@Puzzler333 , yes, I am trying to get her to focus on the positive of an easier GCSE.

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bellinisurge · 30/01/2021 10:08

"You have been unnecessarily rude to posters who have given that advice."
The opening response to my post was literally"suck it up". Which I strongly objected to. With a few other posters saying I was out of order to object to it
Very weird.

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Puzzler333 · 30/01/2021 10:05

I really wouldn't worry abiut triple science.
It wasn't an option at my school but I was still comfortably able to go on to do 3 science a levels and an oxbridge science degree.

If she is interested, she could do something in her own time science related?

The citizenship is likely to be because its an easy grade. It's a pain, especially if it hasn't been apparent earlier, but won't hinder her in the long run.

I think you should discuss with the school to check they won't make an exception, but it's best to manage your dds expectations and encourage her to see the positives.

TeenPlusTwenties · 30/01/2021 10:04

The info you need from school is how many hours per week are going to citizenship.
We can't tell you that.

Sorry if I'm losing patience but a) you need to find that out and b) you shouldn't be giving posters the impression that your DC is prevented from doing triple because of compulsory citizenship when it just isn't true.

There are times to argue with schools, and there are times when you do just have to 'suck it up' and say 'not ideal, but OK, it is what it is, we will work with it'. I think we should be at the latter.

You have been unnecessarily rude to posters who have given that advice.

If you wanted just to know about citizenship and what it involved then you should have just asked not muddled it all up with her not wanting to do it, triple science etc.

In the scheme of things for your DC's education this is just a non issue.

bellinisurge · 30/01/2021 09:56

"So she has to just make a choice like hundreds of others up and down the country who would like to do more subjects than there are slots."

Yes and you would think that asking for information about it was a reasonable thing to do. Still astonished at the snark.

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TeenPlusTwenties · 30/01/2021 09:55

x-post. So she has to just make a choice like hundreds of others up and down the country who would like to do more subjects than there are slots.

Triple or Business or Tech. Just choose.

Doing business isn't a pre-requisite for anything at A level.
So either decide now probably not A level science and just do combined (which still has a lot of content), or drop Business and pick it up at A level if desired.

Frodont · 30/01/2021 09:54

@bellinisurge

There's potential still for her taking triple science but at the expense of business studies or a DT subject GCSE that she's keen on. She knows that tough choices need to be made it's just that the choice is made tougher by closing one slot off for Citizenship GCSE
Well that's ok then! I'd drop business studies if I were her or just do double science.
Ginfordinner · 30/01/2021 09:53

If you are worried about "worthwhile" GCSEs there have been a couple of threads recently where Business Studies was considered less valuable than other subjects. I suspect your DD will be directed to swap Business Studies or DT.

TeenPlusTwenties · 30/01/2021 09:51

I don't understand how it prevents her from taking triple science.

Either triple is offered in which case she can choose it in preference to other options, or it isn't offered at all in which case it isn't available.

I guess what OP really means is there are other options the DC is picking over and above triple. With 9 GCSEs even with 6 compulsory, it still leaves room for triple science, a humanity and an MFL or tech subject.

lovelemoncurd · 30/01/2021 09:50

My daughter is studying it and really enjoys it. The curriculum covers politics, law etc. I would say it's one of her favourite subjects and she wants to go onto do science A levels.

bellinisurge · 30/01/2021 09:48

There's potential still for her taking triple science but at the expense of business studies or a DT subject GCSE that she's keen on.
She knows that tough choices need to be made it's just that the choice is made tougher by closing one slot off for Citizenship GCSE

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Frodont · 30/01/2021 09:42

Is she keen to take science A levels? If so then I'd really push for triple. If not then double is fine (in fact its fine for A level science with some catch up work over the summer).

Ginfordinner · 30/01/2021 09:40

Ah yes, I forgot it meant only taking double science. In that case I would be concerned. Is there no other way of her taking triple science?

bellinisurge · 30/01/2021 09:23

Take your point @Ginfordinner what with having been in the world of work for 35 years myself.
However, there's a difference between, for example, double and triple science and this potentially shuts the door on triple science for her.
I'm making it very clear to her that it is what she wants (as far as school options allow) NOT what I want. This is a new thing at the school and she's querying it. I know nothing about it so I started this thread. Most of the comments have been useful . A smattering of them have been eye wateringly shit and childish.

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Ginfordinner · 30/01/2021 09:12

Honestly, I really feel you are overthinking this. All the bases are already covered. As I and other posters stated earlier, universities are far, far more interested in GCSE grades than the subjects they took. They really don't care and neither do employers. I was in your shoes 6 years ago, and now know that in the grand scheme of things it won't reduce any opportunities at all.

bellinisurge · 30/01/2021 09:03

Still getting the details of how many hours. Speaking to the school on Monday.
I have no problem with them doing PHSE through KS4. Same as I have no problem with them doing PE. My problem is blocking out the option of doing another academically more meaningful GCSE. In fact, the PE GCSE is academically more meaningful.
By all means add an easy GSCE on top of 9 actual GCSEs for little effort . But don't limit options for the sake of it.

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SansaSnark · 30/01/2021 08:11

OP, you still haven't clarified how many hours a week it is. The requirements around Pshe have changed - in 2018 or 19, I think. In the past a lot of schools got away with just squashing it into tutor time, but this is starting to change.

If she is going to do one or two lessons a week of Pshe anyway, why not get a qualification to show for it?

She wouldn't be allowed to opt out of Pshe entirely, as she wouldn't the cover the statutory requirements.

Have you actually spoken to the school about this yet?

Ginfordinner · 29/01/2021 18:45

I really wanted DD to do French, and she really didn't want to. Remembering my experience with history I kept my lips buttoned, and I'm glad I did because she aced her GCSEs, and she wouldn't have aced French.

bellinisurge · 29/01/2021 18:00

Interesting observation Ginfordinner . Thanks. I personally feel languages are more important than that but luckily, at least her school is insisting they do a language. Not her favourite subject but worth more, in my view, than some generalised waffle, particularly as she is exposed to it at home anyway. We impress upon her the importance of voting and ask her opinion not expecting her to agree with me or dh on everything.

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Frodont · 29/01/2021 17:42

@bellinisurge

Believe it or not *@Frodont* , I am familiar with the idea of not letting children have their way . I am also familiar with GSCE subjects not actually mattering that much - I did o'levels, it was the same then. However [deep sigh because the patronising is getting very wearing], it's not a subject I am familiar with as a school subject so ... shock horror... I'm asking about it
Sorry, was trying to be lighthearted not patronising.

It's a pointless waste of time, but short of moving schools there's nothing she can do about it other than try to find it vaguely interesting.

Viviennemary · 29/01/2021 17:38

I agree with you. It's ridiculous it should be made compulsory. Is it the new General Studies which was useless and a complete waste of everyone's time.

Ginfordinner · 29/01/2021 17:35

I remember asking the Citizenship teacher about it at parent's evening. She said that every parent had asked the same question. I did challenge the school at the time and asked whether an MFL should be compulsory instead of Citizenship, but got nowhere.

With the benefit of hindsight, I feel that Citizenship has benefitted DD more than French would have done. She is now at university studying a STEM degree.

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