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My daughter's a level teacher just threatened

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LNSL · 27/01/2021 17:31

not to even enter her for her a level exam. Seems a little harsh no? She's in the lower sixth. Got an E on a recent test, which I thought was decent enough.

What do you think to this?

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ghostyslovesheets · 27/01/2021 19:54

@Piggywaspushed

Roses if a student is getting Es in year 12 content they may well not pass.
pretty poor teaching if you can't raise an E in 18 months of teaching and actually end up with a child getting a lower mark though - plenty of kids get E's in Jan on the first year and higher at the end of year 13!
CurlyhairedAssassin · 27/01/2021 19:54

To be fair your BCC would be equivalent to ABB these days - grades have increased a lot!

Absolutely agree with this. When I did mine in 1991 hardly anyone got an A. It was really impressive if you got an A in your subject.
There was no A*. Oxbridge was 2As and a B. Ds and Es were still very much seen as a pass but got you into the old polytechnics with ease really when you applied through PCAS (It was UCCA for traditional universities with more academic course and higher grades were demanded for these). You could get on a primary Ed course with Ds and Es. They were definitely worth FAR more than what they are now.

They seem to hand out A*s, As and Bs at A-level willy nilly now, and the papers themselves seem far less demanding. (I recently found my old A-level maths paper and compared it to a recent one. There was no comparison really). I did French A-level, and you had to study a few French plays and novels including Moliere etc, and read one of your own choice to talk about at your oral exam. That's been done away with.

In short, A-levels are a lot less rigorous these days. Back in the 80s and 90s an E would have been ok. It seems from multiple comments on here that people view an E achieved THESE days as hardy worth having.

It might be worth listening to those comments, OP, if you are recalling the grade E of old and thinking of it as "decent".

That said, it's been a difficult year so I don't think you can predict too much very accurately just now.

TheLetterZ · 27/01/2021 19:54

My school is proud of our results from A* to Es as we let all students sit the exams and it is a huge shame that some schools /sixth forms aren’t.

The OPs daughter has had her education disrupted as schools were closed at the end of last year. Some students have been more affected by this than others.

First couple of tests at A level we expect low results as everyone gets used to the new rigour in the questions. Then by now they should be going up. So it is a concern that it isn’t.

Without being there we can’t say if it was advise or a kick up the backside or unpleasantly meant. If daughter was upset her recollection of the conversation will be coloured by that so might not be a true reflection.

If she does like the subject and wants to continue you need to come up with an improvement plan.

mediciempire · 27/01/2021 19:53

i thought it was common knowledge everybody did a bit shit in their first term of a levels. i certainly did and came out with great marks by the end of it.

BelleSausage · 27/01/2021 19:53

Is your daughter getting an E because she finds the course challenging or because she isn’t doing the work?

There is a big difference.

Daydreamsinglorioustechnicolor · 27/01/2021 19:52

@titchy

To be fair your BCC would be equivalent to ABB these days - grades have increased a lot!
I agree with this. I also got BCC and at the time that was considered good. Times have changed. However I do think it should be your DDs choice and not the school, although they can advise.
Piggywaspushed · 27/01/2021 19:52

Roses if a student is getting Es in year 12 content they may well not pass.

Piggywaspushed · 27/01/2021 19:50

Are you private don? Most schools don't automatically do AS. We only enter students at risk of failing full A level, like the OPs DD.

I really don't think an E in any subject will get a university offer.

RosesforMama · 27/01/2021 19:50

@donquixotedelamancha

To clarify: the reason it's such a worry is that a child getting Es now is very unlikely to pass.
An E is a pass.
donquixotedelamancha · 27/01/2021 19:47

To clarify: the reason it's such a worry is that a child getting Es now is very unlikely to pass.

SweetPetrichor · 27/01/2021 19:47

An E isn’t worth having. I think it’d be better to drop the subject than have that on your future CV.

donquixotedelamancha · 27/01/2021 19:46

I teach Chemistry at A-level. An E is a valid grade in Chem and will get you into uni but in easier A-levels (before anyone asks, yes there are objective ways of comparing difficulty- it is far from equal) an E would not be much use.

Still if a kid were getting Es in Chem their entry into AS exams would be questionable. In other years I'd have moved them to a more appropriate course if it wasn't fixed quickly so they don't waste a year. This year I'm having to allow more time and try intervention.

The teacher is not threatening, they are trying to help because there is limited time to address the problem.

partypooperforever · 27/01/2021 19:45

Why are people being so unkind
E isn't great but it might be a great sense of achievement for the student

ktp100 · 27/01/2021 19:45

You think an E is a decent grade?!

If she's not going to work harder I can see why they wouldn't enter her, there's just no point.

On grades like that she won't get into Uni so why bother?

Sorry to be harsh but that's the reality.

loveislouderthanwar · 27/01/2021 19:43

@RosesforMama

Jesus Christ, this thread.

Your daughter has done ONE TERM of A level study. An E now is a pass and might translate into a C or even a B by the end of the course. Naturally every fucker on Mumsnet has teens getting 6 A* at A level and having Oxbridge begging them to come in, but the real world isn't like that. Only you, she and her teacher can say, based on her prior results, whether she has a technique problem, a revision problem, has been very disrupted with covid etc, or whether she is doing ok.

My son has got 2 Us so far in one of his subjects. He hasn't quite got his head round the way he needs to present information in order to score, it's a new technique. I am not extrapolating from that that he will get a U in his final A level exam, although I accept it's also unlikely he'll get an A. He has learned that he has to put more work in to revision (of course he didn't take his GCSE exams, which hasn't helped) and will get the technique eventually.

My older son had a nervous breakdown during his sixth form, had to drop one A level completely and got CE for the other two. You know what, he still had two A levels and the fact that he had those two A levels is a far greater testament to his resilience and determination than if he had sauntered through 4 A* with ease.

Sometimes the people on here seem to live on a different, problem free planet, I swear.

I agree completely. My DD is the same age Op and she got EEC it's VERY early days and she's learning new things-how to write 7000 word essays with referencing, which she has never done before. I think E, though not a great grade but it's a grade. I think the teacher is trying to scare her maybe.
Piggywaspushed · 27/01/2021 19:42

OP hasn't said her DD has had interruptions. This would be the same for all the students in the group.

PandemicAtTheDisco · 27/01/2021 19:41

What subject is it?

LIZS · 27/01/2021 19:39

If your dh did an HND after flunking A levels maybe you should consider alternative courses for her, as they might suit her learning style better. What are her other grades like? She can restart y12 in September if needs be and still be funded, any longer and she may need to self finance.

WINKINGatyourage · 27/01/2021 19:35

Op If academics aren’t everything then why do you care if she can’t do this A level?

ghostyslovesheets · 27/01/2021 19:35

@MissVanji

OP I dont understand why you posted when you clearly can't take criticism! Let's be honest an E is rubbish (whether she's been doing it for 1 term or not? ? "Academics aren't everything" ummmm??? Not sure what world you are living in, but in the current climate actually they are!!!!
oh come on - hardly 1 term with lock down and interrupted learning, isolation periods etc - especially if it's a new subject - honestly I've seen plenty of students pull grades up in the first year!
HappyNY · 27/01/2021 19:33

I am not sure this is a real post ! Just stirring with a random topic.

itsgettingweird · 27/01/2021 19:32

Did the tutor actually offer any constructive support about how she could improve and what it is she needs to improve on.

It's not a great attitude to tell a student they aren't good enough 1 term in. Especially atm when all the hr 12's I know have have blended learning and even some isolations.

MissVanji · 27/01/2021 19:31

OP I dont understand why you posted when you clearly can't take criticism! Let's be honest an E is rubbish (whether she's been doing it for 1 term or not? ? "Academics aren't everything" ummmm??? Not sure what world you are living in, but in the current climate actually they are!!!!

EffYouSeeKaye · 27/01/2021 19:29

Well if she’s enjoying it, learning and behaving herself in lessons then I really don’t see why an E at this stage in the course is grounds for exclusion from the final exam.

IndiaMay · 27/01/2021 19:29

I should add, he is a highly intelligent man with sever dyslexia and exams were never for him. Hes now a very successful tradesman and exams and academia certainly arent everything.

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