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Punishment for year 7 boy

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Remmy123 · 09/10/2020 13:10

Son started secondary this year, already I have had a few calls from head of year about behaviour.

Messing around on the train twice.
Eating in class
Slouching at desk with no book open

I've told the school to do whatever they need to they have my full support.

What punishment for home? We are thinking permanent ban in the x box - anything else? Want to nip this in the bud now as this is way too soon to be getting in to trouble I'm shocked as generally always been very good!!

Thanks so much

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Mamstheword · 10/10/2020 11:34

Think I put this on the wrong feed. Sorry folks, very new to this 🥴

Mamstheword · 10/10/2020 11:32

I have a teenage son now 15 and in his final year at secondary school. He was a sunny baby and young child until he entered year 1 at primary school. He sat up in bed on Christmas Eve aged 5 and said “mummy, I don’t think my teacher likes me.” From there, apart from a couple of decent years with lovely teachers, his school life was fraught with difficulty. He was labelled a rude naughty child in year 4, I suggested his hearing should be checked as it seemed out of character. I had to arrange this. The school nurse deduced that his hearing was inadequate for the classroom and he went on to have 2 years worth of treatment with ear, nose and throat. The difficulties continued with that teacher and I would say it amounted to basic bullying. We changed his primary school. Year 5 was great there, year 6 unproblematic until the last 2 weeks of term, before secondary school transition. A dreadful situation occurred whereby the class were asked to work in groups to discuss whether “Ankara helped Muslims to lead good lives” I am convinced to this day my son did not understand, nor was he if sufficient ability to understand the task. The teacher never checked this. Another child shot his hand up and said my son thought the religion barbaric. He had previously had a discussion with me about the stoning of women, that they had been learning about and asked if it still happened today. I said I hoped not as it was an unpleasant thing to do, and we had an open discussion about it separating a practice like that from the religion itself. Not once did the word barbaric come up, but I tried to keep him balanced about it. Back in class, the teacher asked my son why he thought that, and he said because women can be stoned and that’s barbaric. My son said the class went quiet to listen, the teacher asked him in front of everyone “if a Muslim child came to join the class, would he treat them unfairly” my son replied “yes, he would treat them the same as anyone else”. He thought the teacher had said “fairly”. At break time after the lesson, the headteacher went into the school yard and shouted at my son to go with him, that he had been saying racist things in class and been violent towards other children, the whole yard stopped to listen (I know this from many surrounding witnesses) he said to my son the police would be called if he didn’t go with him. My son asked for the head to call me and his dad. He was told to stand outside in the corridor and was shouted at further about his racist comments and violence. My son was 11 years old. I was called an hour after the incident and I said I would go in. Wasn’t convenient for the school, so I went in at 3.30 after school to see the class teacher. I then collected my son from after school club, he explained what happened, which was the same as the class teacher, but without some of the significant detail and a very different perspective. A couple of parents phoned me that evening to ask if my son was ok, that their children had gone home and been upset because they felt my son had been treated very unfairly. At the meeting with the headteacher the next morning, we found that the incident had been reported to the police under the prevent duty. The head requested my son stay for the whole meeting, I should not have agreed to this. To me this can be inappropriate. The conversation was difficult, my partners choice of reading books was challenged. There were comments made about there being swastikas all over our living room walls and available nazi literature in our home. My partner was also later interviewed by the police under the prevent duty. I was completely stunned by what unfolded before us. It was hugely damaging to my family, our health both physically and emotionally. We are a pretty usual family, hard working, communicate pretty well eating meals around a table, balanced and kind to our fellow human beings. My son left that school two days beforehand the end of term because he told me he was scared something was going to happen to him there. We complained to the governors, but were stonewalled as they all gathered ranks and protected themselves. It went to the higher levels of complaint, the teacher concerned told blatant lies on her statement, things that were never discussed, but I had no witness at the time to corroborate my views. Thus started a torrid life at secondary school, kept on report for 9 months, only told he could come off report if he got grade 1 in all lessons all week, accused of many things that were later proved he had not done, though he was excluded a number of times for said untruths or they thought of a reason why the exclusion took place, such as “his reaction” was why he had been excluded. He was accused of misogyny, bullying and further racism though all these things were proved to be untrue. After all these things, too numerous to mention, I still have a very sensitive lad with good strong values and kindnesses but he is really angry inside and struggles every day with school. We have accessed counselling for him which seems to have helped. My son is guilty of being sometimes unable to keep himself under control and we have always tried to support the school and him in a fair way. One thing I do know is that my son will say he did something wrong and he could have made a better choice, I know when he is lying. We foster an open and honest relationship in as far as teens will allow. I just know when your child is marked on school, they don’t stand a chance. I thought there would be better ways of managing behaviour in schools nowadays, that all children have something to offer, that self esteem is raised by fair treatment, that recognising the smallest of achievements, and not leading, provoking and contributing to the escalation of negative behaviour, then blaming the child for reacting. I just wanted to share this experience to let others feel less alone. It is a hugely lonely place to be and can affect your whole lives as a family. Keeping the lines of communication as open as possible helps, but it’s still hard when for 5 years, you struggle to move your teen out of bed to get to school on time. We do the best we can. Best wishes to all of you.

HandfulofDust · 10/10/2020 11:02

I would keep the xbox ban but try and do something nice together at the weekend. The transition to year 7 can be tough so while you don't want to set a precedent that 'kids will be kids' and it's fine to be disruptive you do want to make sure you offer support and understanding for him. You can let him know it's not OK to play up to his mates while also understanding that there's social pressure that's hard to resist.

ineedaholidaynow · 10/10/2020 00:43

Is he crying because he got told off or because he has an X-box ban?

If the other children aren’t wearing a mask on the train the school need to remind all pupils the importance of that. Do you think he feels he might be bullied if he wears a mask? Could he sit somewhere else on the train?

Remmy123 · 10/10/2020 00:33

Thanks all

Going to try and have a nice weekend - we have set the punishment so let's see what happens next week!

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KoalaRabbit · 09/10/2020 19:31

I think year 7 is a really tough transition and even worse this year due to new covid rules and lockdown before. I'ld be worried by the crying and personally would just have spoken to him rather than punished as its a lot of change and school should be punishing for this. I would also be chatting him about how he is finding school / friends etc so he knows he has someone to talk to and you may discover issues when you do this.

I've also travelled on the tube a lot and would say its a minority of kids that behave well. Not that that is any excuse but would suspect its a group issue and he was the one who got caught. It maybe worth having a chat about his friend group and check there's no issues from that.

Malmontar · 09/10/2020 19:18

@SirSamuelVimes yes exactly. The punishment is the Xbox. He needs to know the punishment is no reflection of how much you love him. He is allowed to mess up, you will love him and be kind to him but he has to pay the consequences. If he learns this now it will be easier for him to own up to stuff when it's a worse mess up further down the line.

SirSamuelVimes · 09/10/2020 19:09

@Malmontar

Also bear in mind at this point in term they're exhausted at the best of times. And this is covid times so they've not been in school to have a proper goodbye, theyve been thrust into big school and they're exhausted by all the school rules and the covid rules. Keep the Xbox week ban and tell him to go to bed earlier.
And maybe do something nice together over the weekend so that he knows you're not still angry with him. Let the consequence stand but reassure him you aren't punishing out of anger.

Year seven is a tough transition. Agree with pp who said about falling in with the wrong crowd too. Letting him know there are consequences at home is important.

Malmontar · 09/10/2020 19:04

Also bear in mind at this point in term they're exhausted at the best of times. And this is covid times so they've not been in school to have a proper goodbye, theyve been thrust into big school and they're exhausted by all the school rules and the covid rules. Keep the Xbox week ban and tell him to go to bed earlier.

Aquamarine1029 · 09/10/2020 19:01

I'd be a bit concerned about all the crying from him over this, honestly. Nothing involved is that big of a deal, at all. Why is he so overwrought about this?

Malmontar · 09/10/2020 19:01

I have a completely different view of it to this thread. Maybe I'm just not very soft and work in a secondary. So many boys get in the wrong crowd in the beginning Y7 and it's hard to dodge that reputation as the class clown. They go in really wanting to be popular and it's a big reason why they schools are so strict on them.
At what point would you warrant getting involved? When he is so far gone is he getting excluded? It may seen over the top to think that but it's better to nip it in the bud now rather than later.
I think forever is over the top but a week is perfect. Enough to feel it but also enough to dread the next one.

caringcarer · 09/10/2020 18:50

What about 1 day Xbox ban for each misdemeanor. That way he knows what to expect if he acts out again. Also leaves you with wiggle room if his behaviour deteriorates.

You could also give him a chance to earn Xbox back 1 day sooner by apologising at school and showing exemplary behaviour. That way you are firmly putting him in control of when he gets Xbox back.

Explain to him he has to decide how to behave and good decisions are rewarded and bad decisions attract punishment. Make him know he is in charge of his own destiny.

Remmy123 · 09/10/2020 18:43

... he just keeps crying!

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Remmy123 · 09/10/2020 18:42

Oh I didn't mean to write permanent ban (typed to quick) - we have agreed to a weeks ban - I was just saying to my husbabd banning all weekrbd feels a bit much as they arnt allowed it in the week .. anyway

The other kids don't wear a mask either so I guess he didn't want to be only one but he managed to get photographed!

Thanks for your advice it's all a big change to secondary - I'm just worried he now hates school because it's got him a ban, trying to get him to understand the school have standards they are trying to enforce is going in one ear and out the other!

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Kidneybingo · 09/10/2020 18:04

Definitely don't do a permanent ban, he's got nothing to work towards. It is better to nip in the bud rather than deal with bigger issues later. It would be the train issue in particular that would warrant it.

AlwaysLatte · 09/10/2020 17:54

Not a permanent ban, totally unrealistic - I'd go for a week, dependent on good behaviour. You can take it away as a stick but you also need the carrot to give it back!

averythinline · 09/10/2020 17:44

I would do an xbox ban for weekend for the train and leave the school stuff for school to sort out...although would say repeated calls from school about behaviour would be a different matter..

My ds got a detention on his 2nd day for getting lost so late
And 4th day got wrong corridor/chatting...was absolutely mortified and really upset I did nothing as with your boy never any issues in primary but did say if started being frequent....it never did..

Let him just chill tonight snack and rest...go gentle they are tired and stressed we always had fri as rest night ...big cuddle..your dh is probably thinking with adult head...and long term ..but if this is first then give chance...

DonaldTrumpsChopper · 09/10/2020 17:38

My Dc's schools would both phone home in these circumstances. They want to establish the ground rules very early on and both schools have high expectations of behaviour.

The train thing in particular, because it reflects on the school. They do get complaints from the public who see the dcs in uniform not wearing masks.

Personally, I wouldn't punish at home, but I'd make it absolutely clear that I wasn't happy, no excuses. Warn him that school will be extra strict with year 7, and he has to be on best behaviour until the teachers know him and relax a bit (which they will).

Aquamarine1029 · 09/10/2020 17:34

Sorry, my mistake. Obviously, year 7 changes the train situation entirely. Tell him to keep the damn mask on or suffer the consequences which will be swift and unpleasant.

BadDucks · 09/10/2020 17:33

Aw poor boy excessive punishment I think. Just a talk about expectations is enough. As for being called about slouching good grief I’m a bit lost for words on that one. Give him back his Xbox!

Changemyname18 · 09/10/2020 17:31

He's year 7, not age 7 aquamarine. And i dont understand why cherrypavlova you think that all kids mess about on trains. I commuted for many years on a route that was also a popular school route. Most of the kids did not mess about. Those small minority that did were very annoying and potentially a danger to the other passengers at some times. Messing about and not wearing a mask is not acceptable. He needs to understand this.

Remmy123 · 09/10/2020 17:29

@Aquamarine1029 he is year 7

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Aquamarine1029 · 09/10/2020 17:20

See I just don't know what to do - child saying one thing / teacher another

The teacher calling you about slouching and a one off snack incident is absolutely ridiculous.

Not wearing a mask on the train I would penalise him for.

He needs to be spoken to, and warned that there will be consequences if he refuses to follow the rules, but immediately "punishing" him for this is far too heavy handed, and I say that as a mum who was always big on discipline. He's 7, Ffs. Working with him and guiding him will be far more effective than just punishing him for such minor infractions. Little children have an enormously difficult time wearing masks, and I have no doubt he's not the only child in his train with the same issue.

unmarkedbythat · 09/10/2020 17:03

Slouching with no book open and eating in class are not big enough problems to warrant punishment at home on top of whatever penalty the school has imposed. I would have significant concerns about a school which thought they were, not least about the ability to deal with real issues.

Not wearing a mask on the train I would penalise him for.

Remmy123 · 09/10/2020 17:00

@Aquamarine1029 really?

See I just don't know what to do - child saying one thing / teacher another

He is crying his eyes out 😢

Husband says I'm too soft - I'm not but it's all so new to them

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